If it has better features, colors, etc then it's normal to be a bit more expensive Nevertheless, I don't think Samsung is overpriced, look at Dell Ultrasharp or Apple Cinema display and that's what I call super expensive.

No worries but I think Samsung LCD gives better color contrast as opposed to those LG or Acer. That's just my eyes and it can be subjective though

I've used quite a number of LCD's from LG, Samsung, Acer, Asus which are based on TN panels as well as Dell Ultrasharp (IPS panel) currently. The older Ultrasharp models like mine does not have extensive outputs but the newer ones do. As for the so-called premium panel (IPS), if you're into designing then it will make you a difference but if you're just another home user and gamer, a TN panel works just as great In fact my VK266H produces brighter colour and contrast as compared to this 3007 WFP because the Ultrasharp series have a layer of protection which gives grainier colours. My friend's 3008WFP on the other hand have input lag issues.

Hence, IPS panels (premium panels) isn't always the best Just like any other products, they have their pros/cons. I have to say a good TN LCD is just as beautiful as an IPS LCD for general home users. If someone wants the best looking IPS panel LCD then it's obviously the Apple Cinema display (which is also LED backlit). The drawback would certainly be the price

If you have owned both TN and IPS panels LCD before, you will understand that IPS panels are nothing great unless you're into designing whereby color calibration is important for you. Other than that, the TN panels are awesome. Besides, no one will sit 145 degrees beside the LCD when they are using the computer.

I understand and if there's a good 30" TN LCD, I would've opted for that rather than spending a fortune for IPS panels which I don't utilize

You need to understand that not everyone is a color freak like you It is the same case for audiophiles, if you're one then you are very particular about the drum sound, how natural it is, etc. You cannot assume and expect everyone is just like you so speaking for yourself is fine but don't generalize.

If you consider yourself an enthusiast and color freak then yes, all these would matter (go pay a bomb for an IPS panel) but NOT for the general PC users and community. Unless you're a designer or some sort, a normal home or office user couldn't be bothered if the blue is 5-10% off from a proper blue. It doesn't make our Internet Explorer bars look bad nor effect our computing life.

It is very WRONG to assume everyone is being particular about all these and like it or not, almost 80-90% PC users are on TN panels. I can put a mixture of 10 different LCD's (mixture of PVA, TN, IPS panels) in office and ask everyone to inspect carefully which is better and not many people would even be bothered to do so because literally, these are not a concern at all if you're a normal user. It only applies if it means to you that color reproduction is very important should your job role requires it or you're just a PC user that is enthusiastic about it.

On the other hand, let's talk only about PC monitor LCD's, don't involve Plasma or LED TV, those are a different thing altogether and can be discussed in another section in the forums.

I understand but my point is, I don't know why people likes to say IPS panels as the God of panels for LCD's I think it's relatively inaccurate because IPS panels has it's cons as well, for example:

1. IPS consumes up to 3X more power than a TN panel
2. Refresh rates are a lot slower (I'm sure a hardcore FPS gamers wouldn't like that)
3. Relatively expensive
4. Prone to dead pixels just as easy as a TN panel

Thus it is more like what type of panel suits our needs best and not just spending on costly IPS panels just because the color looks better. I wouldn't mind if my Galil gun looks slightly greyish instead of black but I mind if I get bad input lags or tearing in games.

You need to get your facts right Your comparison and information is totally flawed.

1. Let's take an example of a 24" LCD (operational power):

Samsung P2370HD = 51 watts
Samsung BX2450 (LED) = 27 watts
Dell Ultrasharp U2410 = 75 watts

Another example of 27" LCD (operational power):
Asus VK266H = 60 watts
Samsung P2770H = 50 watts
Dell Ultrasharp U2711 = 94 watts

Please don't compare a 9" IPS with a 27" TN then tell me the consumption is lower Look at the examples above and google up for more clarification. Tell me in what sense and how can an IPS panel of the same size consumes lesser power than a TN? You obviously have not been reading enough about LCD panels and do you think to produce better color output it can still literally save more power? If that's the case I will buy a Mercedes C63 6300cc and hope it saves more fuel than a Kancil 660

2. It will be a joke if you say TN panels have slower response times compared to IPS panels. TN panels generally have better response rates and here are some few articles:

http://hubpages.com/hub/The-IPS-vs-TN-Deba...-for-Your-Needs
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?p=1035547176

Again, please google up and there are plenty of articles. You can also read reviews about Ultrasharp 30" LCD's based on LG panels and how they fare against common TN panels in terms of gaming/ghosting.

3. Again this is a joke. How on earth can IPS panels be cheap? Can you name me 3 models of LCD based on IPS panel (whatever type, E-IPS or Z-IPS or FART-IPS) which is cheaper/same price as a TN panel of the same size?

4. Wrong again, both have the tendency to get dead pixels. There's no such thing as TN have lesser chances of dead pixels than IPS or vice versa, or if LG has more dead pixels than Samsung. Some people bought Samsung LCD's and it came with dead pixels the moment they turn it on.


Let's not be a fanboy and IPS panels (whatever type, E-IPS or Z-IPS or FART-IPS) is not the best in everything. It only makes sense if color calibration and reproduction is very important to the user.

You see, that's the actual problem When people talk about IPS, they are referring to high end IPS panels and here you are comparing everything against the E-IPS only (which is crap). Again, there are reviews all over the Internet and the E-IPS is no where near the proper IPS panels that most professionals are using. It's just a cut down cost panel by LG and part of marketing so that people will buy these LCD's thinking it's IPS so it should work great when the answer is "not so great".

http://www.pcmonitors.org/monitor-reviews/...trasharp-u2211h

If you compare a proper premium IPS panel VS a premium TN panel, I don't think your theory applies. It isn't a relatively and proper comparison at all because it's just like comparing a BMW 1 series with a Honda Accord Just because it's the cheapest model of an expensive product, you can now say BMW is just as cheap as a Honda.

If you're comparing price range then yes, you are right but at the same, it's not an accurate comparison. Like I said, a BMW 1 series is the same price tag as a Honda Accord but they are not in the same segment


E-IPS is just like any other TN but maybe with some advantages in certain areas. The point is, you do not know how to differentiate what panels are suited for what applications but continously saying IPS is the best which is wrong. It also proves that marketing strategy from LG is working extremely well because it manages to trick people like you into believing E-IPS is another IPS panel when in actual fact it is a total strip down version that it is only carrying the name "IPS" but acts more or less like a TN panel You should really view a proper IPS panel, E-IPS and TN side by side before you conclude.

This post has been edited by clawhammer: Dec 16 2010, 01:33 AM

You are right because E-IPS is a totally strip down version of those IPS used by professionals. LG place the name "IPS" for marketing purposes so people will generally think they are buying an IPS panel LCD when in fact this E-IPS is more or less the same as a normal TN panel. A proper IPS would look a lot better, imagine putting a 27" Samsung P2770H side by side with Apple Cinema Display Now that's IPS!

If they can make something with H-IPS/S-IPS with LED just like cinema display and it's within my budget, I'd be the first one to buy

That's why marketing departments will always have good people to trick buyers like you into thinking E-IPS is a wonderful LCD just like any other IPS panels

All these while you can only compare E-IPS and that's the most you are talking about Nothing else and you've forgotten that the actual IPS panels are H-IPS and S-IPS. E-IPS is just a piece of stripped down version and literally suits people like you that wants to own IPS panels at cheap prices and be a fanboy out of it. I've own so many LCD's, TN is superb in terms of gaming but like I've said, you can't differentiate the actual needs as to which LCD suits what purposes but keep on commending E-IPS, E-IPS and E-IPS.

Marketing on the other hand is to easily convince people like you thinking RM700 would get you an IPS. Look how easy it is for LG? LOL! Yes, you're an IPS owner for RM700 but an IPS which is just like TN or wait, maybe the color on the gal with the bikini in the movies looks like a real "blue" instead of a fake "blue" from a TN panel. Seriously, it doesn't make sense at all, lol. Lastly, E-IPS is no where near S-IPS or H-IPS. If I have RM700 to spend, I rather buy a bigger TN panel which works just as great for my games. For color freaks and IPS fan boys like you, I'm sure you would even buy if there is ever a F-IPS (fake IPS) panel as long as it's IPS and it's CHEAP

Edit:
If you still don't know what you're talking about, read this: http://www.pchardwarehelp.com/guides/lcd-panel-types.php
When people talk about IPS panels, they are referring to proper S-IPS or H-IPS and all those facts I've stated earlier applies. IPS panels consumes more power than TN panels but oh wait, yes E-IPS is the exception. There you go, E-IPS is the best - just to keep you happy and the only IPS ever in your mind

This post has been edited by clawhammer: Dec 17 2010, 03:42 AM

Actually if you read back all my postings, I did not focus on response times. I focus on the pros/cons of both types of panels and like I've mentioned before, both have it's pros and cons. On the other hand, you are continuously misleading everyone by saying IPS is the best panel JUST because it has better color reproduction. You see, your explanation and recommendation is totally flawed plus you cannot use E-IPS in general to substitute the whole group of IPS panels

The E-IPS is not an example of a more advanced technology thus making it cheaper but it is an intentional stripped down version of the original IPS features. This is to cater for the lower price range segment and that's the main intention. You sacrifice other important features and points of the original IPS panel to achieve better market penetration.

E-IPS has better response times because it has removed all other features like I said earlier. If you want perfect color reproduction, you need to sacrifice something else. Generally these are how things work, it has pros/cons. Your analogy of saying TN panels are crap is totally unacceptable because like I've said many times which you still don't understand, IPS only makes sense if you need very good color reproduction and if you like to sit 70 degrees beside your LCD (better viewing angles)

If there's a 2560 x 1600 TN panel which costs a lot cheaper than the Dell Ultrasharp 30", I would've went for the TN. I can use the extra cash to spend on something else rather than paying a bomb for features I might not really need. For fanboys, IPS is very important and for the majority, I'm sure people don't care if the panties the girl is wearing on the porn movies were properly displayed as black or slightly lighter black by a TN panel. By using a TN panel, I can also save my electricity bills.

This post has been edited by clawhammer: Dec 17 2010, 04:14 PM

For PC it's normally DVI unless you are turning it to be HTPC and plugging into an LCD/Plasma TV then HDMI.

This is not true The 5870 can handle 2560x1600 for quite a number of top games today without issues. I have used a 5870 with my Dell 30" which is a 2560x1600 resolution. On top of that, there are also reviews on the Internet that shows you 50+ FPS with this resolution. I think you should really read up and re-confirm your facts before giving out wrong information to others.

At the same time, have you owned a 5870 with a 2560x1440 or 2560x1600 LCD before and what are the games you've played on that setup?

You are just being plain ignorant First of all, you're not an owner of these hardware itself and are just commenting based on your pure theoretical knowledge but that again is flawed. Secondly, how many 5870 reviews have you read? Thirdly, if you compare everything against Crysis, even a GTX 295 is screwed. In my opinion, everything you said cannot be taken into account. You don't learn your mistakes but instead confuse others

No, I'm not getting personal but if you're not on the right track, what's wrong with you re-evaluating your theories again? It's a good example and based on that review, try clicking GTX 480 and 5870 as a comparison. If going by your theory and that review, even GTX 480 isn't suited for 2560x1440/2560x1600 resolution so does that mean everyone has to buy GTX 480 or 580 SLI to run with a 30" LCD? Look, you should compare common games where people play. Not everyone is into Crysis and Metro 2033. Call of Duty, Starcraft 2, Dirt 2, Far Cry 2, etc is a lot more common than these 2 games and it's very much playable. Secondly, you need to understand how reviews are written and if you notice, your actual hardware always gets a better FPS that what is stated in the review. As to why that is the case, it's your own effort to find out.

Hmm, how did you get the RM600 discount? I tried and it still says RM4,299