Ada mah, Apple Cinema Display = LED + IPS

guys, let say if i buy Dell P2411H & get it calibrated wt Spyder3 Elite, will d monitor perform like an IPS ?

try use dvi instead of vga? i saw some thread regarding this when i bought my monitor

it will be more accurate than some IPS panel LCDs out of box,but it still is a 6bit panel so dithering is still used to simulate 16.7mil colours

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Added on December 17, 2010, 11:02 amGoing by your logic,a BMW 3 series isn't a beemer,only the 5 series and 7 series are.You're telling me i'm a colour freak,now going by the same logic you're a response time freak?Using your logic again most people won't see the difference between a 2ms display and a 8ms display.About that article,it's old and doesn't necessarily reflect the environment today.It says S-IPS and H-IPS displays are still 8bit displays when ones today are 10bit displays.
Here's a review of your 3007wfp,see how it stacks up to todays IPS...even an E-IPS panel has better contrast and response time.[I don't mean to diss your display,i just wanna show that the tech has improved making better products cheaper]
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/dell_3008wfp.htm
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/dell_u2311h.htm
Finally,i rest my case,our argument is too long already and it's taken too much of the thread.

This post has been edited by Racerx: Dec 17 2010, 11:11 AM

@clawhammer and @racerx
nice discussion
i glad i make my choice on u2311h

hey guys

anybody of you guys know any monitor that support 1920x1200 native ? other than dell U2410 ?

not even sure other brand in malaysia that support that res existed or not ..

dell using LG's panel and rebrand as dell?

dell monitor drop price..

waiting more & more drop price for other monitor..

There's an AOC model which has resolution of 1920x1200, but I'm not sure if it's still available in Lowyat, but it's still available in Kuching, Sarawak here for a price RM699 (during IT Expo/Fair), old model I guess but still very expensive.

Actually if you read back all my postings, I did not focus on response times. I focus on the pros/cons of both types of panels and like I've mentioned before, both have it's pros and cons. On the other hand, you are continuously misleading everyone by saying IPS is the best panel JUST because it has better color reproduction. You see, your explanation and recommendation is totally flawed plus you cannot use E-IPS in general to substitute the whole group of IPS panels

The E-IPS is not an example of a more advanced technology thus making it cheaper but it is an intentional stripped down version of the original IPS features. This is to cater for the lower price range segment and that's the main intention. You sacrifice other important features and points of the original IPS panel to achieve better market penetration.

E-IPS has better response times because it has removed all other features like I said earlier. If you want perfect color reproduction, you need to sacrifice something else. Generally these are how things work, it has pros/cons. Your analogy of saying TN panels are crap is totally unacceptable because like I've said many times which you still don't understand, IPS only makes sense if you need very good color reproduction and if you like to sit 70 degrees beside your LCD (better viewing angles)

If there's a 2560 x 1600 TN panel which costs a lot cheaper than the Dell Ultrasharp 30", I would've went for the TN. I can use the extra cash to spend on something else rather than paying a bomb for features I might not really need. For fanboys, IPS is very important and for the majority, I'm sure people don't care if the panties the girl is wearing on the porn movies were properly displayed as black or slightly lighter black by a TN panel. By using a TN panel, I can also save my electricity bills.

This post has been edited by clawhammer: Dec 17 2010, 04:14 PM

Wow, this has not end. Just to answer previous question. For 16:10 panel other than DELL, look for Fujitsu. Last time hikari85 carried them, now not sure.

What I can deduce is:
clawhammer wanted a 30' TN so bad that he does not like to pay a lot more for a same size IPS, understandable as there is no such big TN available, it is enthusiast class.
The rest of us, I believe wanted a better panel at 22-24' other then widely spread TN as long as not too much expensive.
Hence, this is the cause that eIPS mushrooming and people start talking about. Just my comment.

Expensive ma. hahaha I wan cheap cheap abit de~ that Apple like pay more for brand name >.<

I doubt there is no more 16:10 for latest model anymore, due to market demand.

Rebrand? no no can't say like that. Their LCD just use one of part manufactured by LG. Just like car. Myvi use xxx engine, xxx tyre, xxx mirror etc although no make by their self.

Last time is how much arH? No more free HDMI cable eh...

guys.. actually we dont need to debate so hard on these details..
it will be too overwhelming information for people to look for a monitor. Just buy depending to our needs and solution. thats all

if you want true colours, view from many angles from time to time, editing photos,watching movies with friends/family on the same screen and your usage suits it.. take the e-IPS

if you want faster refresh time, lower input lag, play fast moving games, never even use it sideways, and on budget... get the popular TNs which is widely available today

simple as that.. its all preference
dont need to make other people adopt your preferences.
no matter which one you use, it wont fail you down.
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so its true then they use some LG i heard last time they use samsung. and i loooove LG

No need to quarrel. Both TN and IPS panels have its own advantages & drawbacks.

Anyway, we are not stating that IPS is the best, why we suggest Dell U2311h is that it is simply a BETTER BUY you can get at RM600-700 price range in Malaysia, as most users usually ready to spend around this range for a new monitor.

Even though its performance not on par with high end IPS, it still significantly has nicer colour than TN panel at the same price range, and better viewing angle (useful for me since i already have 6 years old VGA box that still usable which can be use as TV replacement to watch Astro). Of course you can shell out more money to get monitor better than this if you can afford.

As for the response time of 8 ms is worse compare to cheaper TN panel, as a gamer myself I have no complain about this monitor for ghosting as when playing games and watching movies, except that for some fast scrolling text, the text might be a bit blur. For example at the Start menu of MotoGP 09/10 for PS3 the text description is scrolling fast.
Sorry the picture not really good, it looks worse on the picture than the real thing.

Some more pic. Sorry for the d*mn big picture



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This post has been edited by CallOfLegend: Dec 17 2010, 10:27 PM

bro spoiler..

It depend on their quotation oh.. You know some of Samsung lcd, their panel are manufactured from Chi Mei.
Dell U2410 no more action at their website. New model caming soon or shortage?

Which one better is up to user taste..haha.

Stock shortage due to high demands.

Guys, help me out, which dell monitor is better?

Dell ST2420L

http://accessories.dell.com/sna/productdet...19&sku=320-9334

Dell U2311H
http://accessories.dell.com/sna/products/D...19&sku=320-9270


I use it for gaming, multimedia and "stuff".