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post Nov 27 2010, 01:28 PM

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QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Nov 27 2010, 07:20 AM)
The first thing that I saw this reply is, complains but as I read to the end, LOL...  sweat.gif

Anyway, this is why some people choose Dell, I like it also, and because 1 of my boss's client company choose Dell product, I also experience a chit-chat with the Dell technician as well and he answer some of my question really well, their service is top notch. wink.gif

Oh, there's some complaints as well last time about Dell, I guess they do improve from time to time. nod.gif
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based on that their customer service here is top notch,however in other countries their are notoriously bad hmm.gif

QUOTE(zpingw @ Nov 27 2010, 08:43 AM)
Just wondering is there any retail shop to pick up a Dell U2311H, rather than order it online? (No one to receive it at home during weekdays)
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Nope,there isn't any physical shop that sell it.
QUOTE(taingonghai @ Nov 27 2010, 11:34 AM)
Guys, need some help. I'm trying to find a 24" monitor in a 16:10 aspect. Most of the monitors now are 1920x1080.

Can you guys point me in the right direction for a monitor at least 24" with 1920x1200 resolution? Unfortunately my budget does not exceed 1300. TN panels are ok with me.
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You can try searching for a U2410 in garage sales,last time i checked getting it for RM1300+- is possible.
There isn't any other 24" 1920X1200 LCD that is currently being sold that i know off sweat.gif
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post Nov 28 2010, 09:25 PM

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QUOTE(Mr.CoMoT @ Nov 28 2010, 04:07 PM)
guys..my budget below rm600..

looking for 23". which 1 u all prefer.. smile.gif  smile.gif
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for below RM600 there's the LG E2350T,though i highly recommend you adding RM50 more for Dell's U2311H.Better panel,better stand,better warranty,4 USB ports for only RM50 more. thumbup.gif
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post Nov 29 2010, 05:37 PM

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the Dell 2209WA has a better panel,but the resolution is not enough imo.Your choice though [U2311H is already very good,iinm it loses out to the 2209WA in terms of colour uniformity and viewing angles.]
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post Dec 1 2010, 03:33 PM

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QUOTE(joker_greng @ Dec 1 2010, 01:04 PM)
hi guys..

other than energy saving,i was wondering if LED lcd have better performance than normal lcd..
can LED lcd could give better image quality?

can somebody tell me which is better to buy?tq
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It doesn't give a better image quality,even backlight bleeding isn't cured.One more thing,i found out at anandtech a LCD that uses WLED has a lower colour gamut than a LCD with CCFL backlght.
If you want better image quality,look for LCD that uses other panels than TN such as IPS and VA.
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post Dec 1 2010, 10:42 PM

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QUOTE(yingchai @ Dec 1 2010, 09:35 PM)
if i buy dell lcd monitor from their website, do they charge any delivery fees? I noticed that when i wanna made payment via their site online, it does not state any delivery charges...any feedback is very much appreciated smile.gif
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delivery should be free,haven't heard anyone has to pay for it before.
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post Dec 2 2010, 10:40 PM

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QUOTE(mycerdas @ Dec 2 2010, 09:37 PM)
Yes...most of the time use for media and seldom for gaming.
But watching movies not very satisfying....
This LCD already 5 years tech, i thought nowadays can get with that budget....at least 24" but with much better experience when watching 1080p media.  hmm.gif
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not really,the best you can get with that budget right now is the U2311H which still can't beat your 2407WFP.
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post Dec 5 2010, 09:04 PM

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QUOTE(Mr.CoMoT @ Dec 5 2010, 01:10 PM)
my budget below rm650...

looking for 23" or up..lcd/led

dont recommended dell ultrasharp smile.gif  smile.gif
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LG E2350T,costs less than RM600 last time i checked
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post Dec 7 2010, 12:15 AM

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QUOTE(crayzee @ Dec 6 2010, 12:37 PM)
Anyone here upgraded from a TN panel to IPS panel Dell U2311H?

Any significant improvement? I'm using Samsung 2233SW currently.
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i changed from a Samsung 943BWX [Chimei TN panel] to the U2311H,there's significant colour reproduction,viewing angle,colour accuracy improvement.There's also the handy USB ports and well built stand
QUOTE(Mr.CoMoT @ Dec 6 2010, 06:02 PM)
which better?

LG E2350T or DELL ST2320L

this 2 LED right?

LG= rm6xx

DELL = 5xx

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The Dell ST2320L sucks doh.gif Low contrast ratio,unaccurate colour.You're better off with the E2350T [Or the AOC Razor,there's no pro review yet but looks good so far]
QUOTE(I_Hate_Sality @ Dec 6 2010, 09:27 PM)
I want to buy a 24inch LED monitor, but I'm undecided between AOC and Samsung.

Why are AOC monitors so cheap? Is there a "catch" or udang di sebalik batu for the cheap prices?

I want to buy samsung because their LCD monitors are proven to be good by many users for many years. But AOC's ultra cheap prices are giving me second thoughts.

So, should I get AOC or Samsung BX2450 or some other good brands?

My budget is under/around RM800-900.
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First things first,there's no true 'LED' monitors on the market,just LCD monitors with LED backlight.It makes the LCD thinner and use a bit less power,but it doesn't improve picture quality [Unless it's the RGB LED variant,but such LCDs aren't sold here]

Now,Samsung LCD monitors are overrated and overhyped.While Samsung does make good panels,they don't put them in their own LCD but instead sell them and buy a cheaper panel [mostly true for cheaper Samsungs,though the XL2370 is a fine monitor]

About the AOC Razor line,i can't tell for sure,there's no reviews on it.They are gorgeous looking though

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post Dec 7 2010, 12:29 AM

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QUOTE(ocp1988 @ Dec 6 2010, 11:26 PM)
I have received my Dell U2311h YESTERDAY...mY QUESTION IS...Where to find the service tag to check my warranty status??
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there's no service tag for LCDs below 24",use the invoice number.
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post Dec 7 2010, 12:44 AM

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as far as i know you have to call and use the invoice number/serial number to check the warranty .
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post Dec 7 2010, 12:53 AM

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QUOTE(ocp1988 @ Dec 6 2010, 11:50 PM)
Thanks FYI  smile.gif
Does anyone feel that the adjustable stand is too tight for adjust??? whistling.gif
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The mechanism's not as smooth as U2410/U2711 iinm,but i have no problems adjusting it with one hand.
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QUOTE(I_Hate_Sality @ Dec 7 2010, 09:29 AM)
I'm going to samseng computer shop today, so guys, help me out, which 24inch LED monitor should I get?

AOC? Samsung? Or LG?

For AOC, I might buy razor IF they have it (too new, probably dont have), for samsung, my choice is the BX2450, good? For LG, I'll get the LG E2340V.

Samsung is RM860
AOC is RM600
LG is RM610.

I still dont get why AOC and LG are so cheap, did they strip off some features or something? No accessories? Less cables/adapters?
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either LG E2350T or the AOC.The Samsung is overpriced for basically the same thing.The E2340V is an older model iinm,the E2350T is better.
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post Dec 7 2010, 10:16 PM

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QUOTE(irix81 @ Dec 7 2010, 08:59 PM)
sifu, which 1 is better..

DELL ST2320L  or      LG 2350T      or SAMSUNG BX2231

for games n hd movies ... help me thx!!
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LG E2350T

QUOTE(sexualpower @ Dec 7 2010, 09:11 PM)
guys, what are the USB ports at the LCDs for?~ can they be used like normal USB ports?~

and pls help link me to a good forum for TV purchase, there are just too many~
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They are normal USB ports
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QUOTE(steven789 @ Dec 7 2010, 09:45 PM)
Which one has better colour accuracy? Dell 2209WA or U2311H? I mostly use for photo editing and web browsing.
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before this the U2311H a problem in colour uniformity as in the left appear 'colder' compared to the right part.Some say it has been resolved in the latest revision.However the 2209wa doesn't have this problem from the start,so imo it's better to get the 2209wa rather than gambling with the U2311H
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post Dec 8 2010, 12:09 AM

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QUOTE(steven789 @ Dec 7 2010, 10:10 PM)
Oh, looks like the problem is similar to my old 2007wfp whereby the gamma value is different between left and right.
Now i'm looking for my 2nd lcd monitor and actually i also prefer the 2209wa for its 16:10 ratio.
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16:10 LCDs are a rare breed these days as manufacturers move to 16:9 .It's more of a business choice since 16:9 monitors are cheaper to make than 16:10.
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QUOTE(VincentHooi @ Dec 8 2010, 04:28 PM)
my samsung 931c is dying, any how significant is the difference between this and the dell u2311h?
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better viewing angles,better colour reproduction,better stand,USB ports,larger screen etc etc
QUOTE(nfsu230190 @ Dec 8 2010, 08:48 PM)
may i bump my question here.. blush.gif
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The U2711 has a much higher resolution which is 2560x1440 instead of 1920x1080,plus it's factory calibrated to show the most accurate colour.That's the difference between the U2711 and LCD TVs in the same price range.
Based on the things you want to do,a LCD TV will serve you better since it's larger and the res isn't as high [For 2560x1440 you'll want something like the GTX570/GTX480/HD6850 CF/GTX460 SLI to play games at nice settings]
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QUOTE(clawhammer @ Dec 13 2010, 07:48 PM)
No worries but I think Samsung LCD gives better color contrast as opposed to those LG or Acer. That's just my eyes and it can be subjective though smile.gif
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Samsung is overrated,their cheaper LCDs use panels by other manufacturers which doesn't look as good as their own.Ones that use their won panels look good like the XL2370 but ones that don't look crap since they use the cheapest one they can get.LG makes panels for other companies too besides for their own use,some of them are good,some of them are mediocre.But they are the largest manufacturer for such panels today.



QUOTE(wyyam @ Dec 13 2010, 11:33 PM)
Ehh.. bro, i feel so confuse la..

I wanna buy the Dell 24" de but ..

1) U2410 got IPS Panel but dun hv Full HD
2) ST2420 got no IPS Panel but got Full HD somemore contrast so high . Is IPS really important?
3) ppl recommend me U2311H got IPS but not Full HD..

feel very confuse now.. possible to get a Full HD + IPS Panel together?

By the way, i dunno wat is IPS ... lol , ppl say it good so i get only haha.. sorry
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QUOTE(Kit II @ Dec 13 2010, 11:57 PM)
im same like u too.. i need a new monitor. After hearing about the IPS panels superiority in colours,detail and viewing angles but does have some drawbacks.
I mainly use my PC for gaming and some office,internet browsing.
IPS kinda expensive for me.. around rm600-750.
at the same size , could get a alot cheaper TNs

if consider, i could get a good LED TN panel + extra money to upgrade other things at the same price of one IPS monitor.    cool2.gif

still not sure which one to get. but i feel.. getting a LED TN is a better deal, cheaper and can upgrade more other things in my pc

As for viewing angles, i dont think i gonna view the monitor from sideways anyway and nobody does that too.. like my previous LCD,the viewing angles doesnt bother me either cause i always view from front, unless lying down on bed to watch movies with that monitor.

but still, IPS is awesome.. maybe if we are tech hungry.. greed for new technology
still confuse in considering tho  rclxub.gif 

i guess it falls in the budget then.. will research more,
u guys here can give me tips and recommendations too  wink.gif
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see my reply below.

QUOTE(clawhammer @ Dec 13 2010, 08:26 PM)
I've used quite a number of LCD's from LG, Samsung, Acer, Asus which are based on TN panels as well as Dell Ultrasharp (IPS panel) currently. The older Ultrasharp models like mine does not have extensive outputs but the newer ones do. As for the so-called premium panel (IPS), if you're into designing then it will make you a difference but if you're just another home user and gamer, a TN panel works just as great smile.gif In fact my VK266H produces brighter colour and contrast as compared to this 3007 WFP because the Ultrasharp series have a layer of protection which gives grainier colours. My friend's 3008WFP on the other hand have input lag issues.

Hence, IPS panels (premium panels) isn't always the best smile.gif Just like any other products, they have their pros/cons. I have to say a good TN LCD is just as beautiful as an IPS LCD for general home users. If someone wants the best looking IPS panel LCD then it's obviously the Apple Cinema display (which is also LED backlit). The drawback would certainly be the price biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(clawhammer @ Dec 14 2010, 02:48 PM)
If you have owned both TN and IPS panels LCD before, you will understand that IPS panels are nothing great unless you're into designing whereby color calibration is important for you. Other than that, the TN panels are awesome. Besides, no one will sit 145 degrees beside the LCD when they are using the computer.
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I disagree.
It's not just the viewing angle,imo the more important thing is the colour reproduction which sucks on most TN panel LCDs.They are 6bit panels and can't produce 16.7mil colours natively and sort to dithering which makes colour banding/gradient appear.Not just that,most TN panels aren't calibrated at the factory to produce accurate colours which will make skins look blueish etc.When you watch videos/surf the net/view pictures/stare at someone's pic at facebook with a LCD that uses IPS/VA the colours appear more real /the way it's intended to be viewed.
FYI i've used TN panel LCDs and IPS panel LCDs before and still are using them actively now.Haven't had the chance to use a VA LCD extensively as of yet,but from my observation they have better blacks.Plasma still trumps them all though until OLED is cheap enough to be mass produced with sizes larger than 7".

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QUOTE(clawhammer @ Dec 15 2010, 04:36 PM)
You need to understand that not everyone is a color freak like you smile.gif It is the same case for audiophiles, if you're one then you are very particular about the drum sound, how natural it is, etc. You cannot assume and expect everyone is just like you so speaking for yourself is fine but don't generalize.

If you consider yourself an enthusiast and color freak then yes, all these would matter (go pay a bomb for an IPS panel) but NOT for the general PC users and community. Unless you're a designer or some sort, a normal home or office user couldn't be bothered if the blue is 5-10% off from a proper blue. It doesn't make our Internet Explorer bars look bad nor effect our computing life.

It is very WRONG to assume everyone is being particular about all these and like it or not, almost 80-90% PC users are on TN panels. I can put a mixture of 10 different LCD's (mixture of PVA, TN, IPS panels) in office and ask everyone to inspect carefully which is better and not many people would even be bothered to do so because literally, these are not a concern at all if you're a normal user. It only applies if it means to you that color reproduction is very important should your job role requires it or you're just a PC user that is enthusiastic about it.

On the other hand, let's talk only about PC monitor LCD's, don't involve Plasma or LED TV, those are a different thing altogether and can be discussed in another section in the forums.
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Well,the same can be said about CPUs,Graphic cards,RAMs,Case fans,cars etc etc.
But,since the price difference is nonexistent [on some LCDs,particularly ones that use eIPS] why would you go with the worse product anyway?Before this IPS and VA panels LCDs are bloody expensive,so much as to cost as much as a decent system unit itself.But now prices have fallen down for something that used to cost so much a year or two ago.

Now,i didn't mean to talk about TVs,i was only giving my view on display tech on general.
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QUOTE(clawhammer @ Dec 15 2010, 04:56 PM)
I understand but my point is, I don't know why people likes to say IPS panels as the God of panels for LCD's smile.gif I think it's relatively inaccurate because IPS panels has it's cons as well, for example:

1. IPS consumes up to 3X more power than a TN panel
2. Refresh rates are a lot slower (I'm sure a hardcore FPS gamers wouldn't like that)
3. Relatively expensive
4. Prone to dead pixels just as easy as a TN panel

Thus it is more like what type of panel suits our needs best and not just spending on costly IPS panels just because the color looks better. I wouldn't mind if my Galil gun looks slightly greyish instead of black but I mind if I get bad input lags or tearing in games.
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God it is not,that's for sure sweat.gif
but
1.H-IPS and S-IPS only.eIPS panels don't do that,in fact it uses lesser power than a CCFL backlit TN and just a bit more than a LED backlit TN.[33W vs 40W vs 28W typical figure]S-IPS/H-IPS use 80W,sometimes more even with LED backlight.

2.Compared to the best of TN panels they are slower since the best ones like the XL2370 has 2MS response time without reverse ghosting.However some do have reverse ghosting which is as bad as ghosting itself.

3.H-IPS and S-IPS panel LCDs are,but not eIPS.

4.That's true,plus with LG dominating panel supplies they have become quite lacking in QC.This is especially true for IPS panels and less so for TN panels.


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1.These are my examples of common 23” LCDs with their power consumption under normal use without calibration
Dell U2311H,eIPS/CCFL 33.1 W
http://www.flatpanelshd.com/review.php?sub...l&id=1275291737
Samsung XL2370 23" TN/LED 30.2W
http://www.flatpanelshd.com/review.php?sub...l&id=1265026060
Alienware OptX AW2310 23" TN/CCFL 35.8W
http://www.flatpanelshd.com/review.php?sub...l&id=1275899900

2.I didn't say they have better response time,i said some of them TN panel LCDs have reverse ghosting.Ghosting != Reverse Ghosting
http://www.digitalversus.com/acer-s243hl-p357_7728_38.html

3.Prices for several eIPS panel LCDs
Dell U2311H RM639 [23"]
Dell U2211H RM599 [21.5"]
Dell 2209WA RM749 22" 16:10

Prices for several TN Panel LCDs
Samsung BX2350 RM750 [23"]
AOC E2343F RM589 [23"]
LG E2350T RM589 [23"]

Samsung BX2231 21.5" RM575
AOC E2243F 21.5" RM559
Samsung B2230H 21.5" RM535

4.I should've said that some of the LG made IPS panel like on the U2311H/U2410 have problems like uneven colour temperature on the left and right side [not all,only some.],not dead pixels.My bad.

E-IPS
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-IPS#In-plan...ching_.28IPS.29

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