Samsung MD230X3 Narrow Bezel Triple 23" 1080p Monitor.

video is a good 14mins long

I believe the samsung md230x3 was on expo somewhere around europe after eyefinity starting grabbing the hearts of consumers. it seems its know available.

Samsung MD230X3 Eyefinity Monitor Showcase & First Impressions

Ok.. after some help n review from bros here..

i think i shud get the Dell ST2420..

tq all by da way..

haha true true but sometimes when we watch a movie together, those who sit beside the lcd will enjoy the same pictar as those who sit in front, so IPS panel wins in that situation, but due to its expensive price tag, i wud say TN panel would do the job just fine..

personally to me, i prefer a good quality TN panel LCD wif a low price tag on it..

I understand and if there's a good 30" TN LCD, I would've opted for that rather than spending a fortune for IPS panels which I don't utilize

LED = SAVE ELECTRIC

guys?

No worth with the price(RM699). I rather settle with U2311H or ST2420L
What things attracted you interest on it?

Samsung is overrated,their cheaper LCDs use panels by other manufacturers which doesn't look as good as their own.Ones that use their won panels look good like the XL2370 but ones that don't look crap since they use the cheapest one they can get.LG makes panels for other companies too besides for their own use,some of them are good,some of them are mediocre.But they are the largest manufacturer for such panels today.



see my reply below
see my reply below.

I disagree.
It's not just the viewing angle,imo the more important thing is the colour reproduction which sucks on most TN panel LCDs.They are 6bit panels and can't produce 16.7mil colours natively and sort to dithering which makes colour banding/gradient appear.Not just that,most TN panels aren't calibrated at the factory to produce accurate colours which will make skins look blueish etc.When you watch videos/surf the net/view pictures/stare at someone's pic at facebook with a LCD that uses IPS/VA the colours appear more real /the way it's intended to be viewed.
FYI i've used TN panel LCDs and IPS panel LCDs before and still are using them actively now.Haven't had the chance to use a VA LCD extensively as of yet,but from my observation they have better blacks.Plasma still trumps them all though until OLED is cheap enough to be mass produced with sizes larger than 7".

mine is Acer H233H.its quite cheaper than other 24inch's model..

You need to understand that not everyone is a color freak like you It is the same case for audiophiles, if you're one then you are very particular about the drum sound, how natural it is, etc. You cannot assume and expect everyone is just like you so speaking for yourself is fine but don't generalize.

If you consider yourself an enthusiast and color freak then yes, all these would matter (go pay a bomb for an IPS panel) but NOT for the general PC users and community. Unless you're a designer or some sort, a normal home or office user couldn't be bothered if the blue is 5-10% off from a proper blue. It doesn't make our Internet Explorer bars look bad nor effect our computing life.

It is very WRONG to assume everyone is being particular about all these and like it or not, almost 80-90% PC users are on TN panels. I can put a mixture of 10 different LCD's (mixture of PVA, TN, IPS panels) in office and ask everyone to inspect carefully which is better and not many people would even be bothered to do so because literally, these are not a concern at all if you're a normal user. It only applies if it means to you that color reproduction is very important should your job role requires it or you're just a PC user that is enthusiastic about it.

On the other hand, let's talk only about PC monitor LCD's, don't involve Plasma or LED TV, those are a different thing altogether and can be discussed in another section in the forums.

Well,the same can be said about CPUs,Graphic cards,RAMs,Case fans,cars etc etc.
But,since the price difference is nonexistent [on some LCDs,particularly ones that use eIPS] why would you go with the worse product anyway?Before this IPS and VA panels LCDs are bloody expensive,so much as to cost as much as a decent system unit itself.But now prices have fallen down for something that used to cost so much a year or two ago.

Now,i didn't mean to talk about TVs,i was only giving my view on display tech on general.

I understand but my point is, I don't know why people likes to say IPS panels as the God of panels for LCD's I think it's relatively inaccurate because IPS panels has it's cons as well, for example:

1. IPS consumes up to 3X more power than a TN panel
2. Refresh rates are a lot slower (I'm sure a hardcore FPS gamers wouldn't like that)
3. Relatively expensive
4. Prone to dead pixels just as easy as a TN panel

Thus it is more like what type of panel suits our needs best and not just spending on costly IPS panels just because the color looks better. I wouldn't mind if my Galil gun looks slightly greyish instead of black but I mind if I get bad input lags or tearing in games.

i have a LCD monitor that dies out after 4 years.
how good the performance also, its dead. I think LCD monitor have a lifetime tho. repairing it will be costly.
buy new will be a good option.so now i looking to get one new

actuallly if i compare..
i can get mostly half the price of an IPS monitor with a LED TN monitor at the same size..
plus with the extra half of the money i could even upgrade a new graphic card or something else.
All these done with a single price of an IPS monitor!
sounds a very smart deal right?

yeah i agree with @clawhammer. we buy what we like .
Like a lot great colours have a big budget to spend, buy IPS.
for ppl like me, im very on budget
IPS monitor will burn a very big hole for me just for one item.
I like to shop smartly

now. i looking into getting the LG LED E2250T. looks like a sexy and smart monitor
maybe a lesser 20" also fine for me and save rm100.
Should be a great monitor for me..
those who own these models can tell me about it.. thx thx
and also any other alternatives.. i prefer LED

haha u made it sound a lil bit funny

btw thx for d facts for IPS panel. Never knew it consumed more power than the normal TN panel.

God it is not,that's for sure
but
1.H-IPS and S-IPS only.eIPS panels don't do that,in fact it uses lesser power than a CCFL backlit TN and just a bit more than a LED backlit TN.[33W vs 40W vs 28W typical figure]S-IPS/H-IPS use 80W,sometimes more even with LED backlight.

2.Compared to the best of TN panels they are slower since the best ones like the XL2370 has 2MS response time without reverse ghosting.However some do have reverse ghosting which is as bad as ghosting itself.

3.H-IPS and S-IPS panel LCDs are,but not eIPS.

4.That's true,plus with LG dominating panel supplies they have become quite lacking in QC.This is especially true for IPS panels and less so for TN panels.

i have a U2311H and loving it. only thing is i saw and touched them new touch panels! AWESOME!

The more we know their(LCD) performance specification. The more we can argue about. peace, Be wise. Everyone got their point.
Ok, Its is true now e-IPS is better compare with TN.

But I must agree with clawhammer. For most of normal user they no interest the color accurate as long as got RGB display they will fine with it. And then introduce IPS for they is pointless, why? they no even care about it no matter how good there are.
and the price no worth anymore. too pricey. 100+ difference.

This post has been edited by Onion-KiD: Dec 15 2010, 08:59 PM

You need to get your facts right Your comparison and information is totally flawed.

1. Let's take an example of a 24" LCD (operational power):

Samsung P2370HD = 51 watts
Samsung BX2450 (LED) = 27 watts
Dell Ultrasharp U2410 = 75 watts

Another example of 27" LCD (operational power):
Asus VK266H = 60 watts
Samsung P2770H = 50 watts
Dell Ultrasharp U2711 = 94 watts

Please don't compare a 9" IPS with a 27" TN then tell me the consumption is lower Look at the examples above and google up for more clarification. Tell me in what sense and how can an IPS panel of the same size consumes lesser power than a TN? You obviously have not been reading enough about LCD panels and do you think to produce better color output it can still literally save more power? If that's the case I will buy a Mercedes C63 6300cc and hope it saves more fuel than a Kancil 660

2. It will be a joke if you say TN panels have slower response times compared to IPS panels. TN panels generally have better response rates and here are some few articles:

http://hubpages.com/hub/The-IPS-vs-TN-Deba...-for-Your-Needs
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?p=1035547176

Again, please google up and there are plenty of articles. You can also read reviews about Ultrasharp 30" LCD's based on LG panels and how they fare against common TN panels in terms of gaming/ghosting.

3. Again this is a joke. How on earth can IPS panels be cheap? Can you name me 3 models of LCD based on IPS panel (whatever type, E-IPS or Z-IPS or FART-IPS) which is cheaper/same price as a TN panel of the same size?

4. Wrong again, both have the tendency to get dead pixels. There's no such thing as TN have lesser chances of dead pixels than IPS or vice versa, or if LG has more dead pixels than Samsung. Some people bought Samsung LCD's and it came with dead pixels the moment they turn it on.


Let's not be a fanboy and IPS panels (whatever type, E-IPS or Z-IPS or FART-IPS) is not the best in everything. It only makes sense if color calibration and reproduction is very important to the user.

1.These are my examples of common 23” LCDs with their power consumption under normal use without calibration
Dell U2311H,eIPS/CCFL 33.1 W
http://www.flatpanelshd.com/review.php?sub...l&id=1275291737
Samsung XL2370 23" TN/LED 30.2W
http://www.flatpanelshd.com/review.php?sub...l&id=1265026060
Alienware OptX AW2310 23" TN/CCFL 35.8W
http://www.flatpanelshd.com/review.php?sub...l&id=1275899900

2.I didn't say they have better response time,i said some of them TN panel LCDs have reverse ghosting.Ghosting != Reverse Ghosting
http://www.digitalversus.com/acer-s243hl-p357_7728_38.html

3.Prices for several eIPS panel LCDs
Dell U2311H RM639 [23"]
Dell U2211H RM599 [21.5"]
Dell 2209WA RM749 22" 16:10

Prices for several TN Panel LCDs
Samsung BX2350 RM750 [23"]
AOC E2343F RM589 [23"]
LG E2350T RM589 [23"]

Samsung BX2231 21.5" RM575
AOC E2243F 21.5" RM559
Samsung B2230H 21.5" RM535

4.I should've said that some of the LG made IPS panel like on the U2311H/U2410 have problems like uneven colour temperature on the left and right side [not all,only some.],not dead pixels.My bad.

E-IPS
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-IPS#In-plan...ching_.28IPS.29

This post has been edited by Racerx: Dec 15 2010, 10:58 PM

Good debate I see. Something to share, panel discussion should not bring power consumption into play. In a monitor, it is the backlight that contributes to the power in major. Dell Ultrasharp has higher power rating, that is the monitor design, as a 2209WA has 6 CCFL tube than 4 in others LCD. Hence, more power needed. That is why LED backlighting comes into play to reduce power, be it TN or IPS.

I usually do not quote response time and contrast as it is very subjective, not solid standard available. Ghosting may apply, but lets not generalize all users need 2ms speed to enjoy the monitor, perhaps FPS pros would care?

IPS certainly not the king, but it is better just by looking at it, maybe some people need side by side comparison. I personally enjoy IPS on iPad very much.

Please do not quote this post. It is just personal view. Chill.