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Photography The Sony Alpha Thread V48!, The Orange Legion
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zstan
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Dec 10 2010, 11:28 AM
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QUOTE(mastering89 @ Dec 10 2010, 11:16 AM) not really. the new nonac 70-200 f2.8 IS II cost about twice the one without IS, and almost 1.5 times more expensive than our 70-200G. does it mean its much much more superiorly optically better than its predecessor or our sony lens?
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zstan
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Dec 10 2010, 11:31 AM
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QUOTE(8tvt @ Dec 10 2010, 11:25 AM) ok now i got the picture why it cost more.. thanks for enlighten me up! btw.. it there any advantage if the lens using bigger filter size? there's more disadvantage than advantages i can think off.. more chances of vignetting..more expensive filters... lens require bigger filter size is because they need a bigger body to fit all the elements, AF motor and the image stabilisation mechanism..which makes them more heavier and bulky...
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destfull
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Dec 10 2010, 11:33 AM
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16105 is really sharp.. when I had CZ 1680, I think I just waste my money. I can get 95% of the CZ sharpness with longer zoom
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lwliam
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Dec 10 2010, 11:39 AM
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Your friendly neighborhood photographer
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QUOTE(zstan @ Dec 10 2010, 11:28 AM) not really. the new nonac 70-200 f2.8 IS II cost about twice the one without IS, and almost 1.5 times more expensive than our 70-200G. does it mean its much much more superiorly optically better than its predecessor or our sony lens? canon means canon la, apasal nonac la, nicknack la, tictac la... image stabilization is a technology which costs an arm an a leg, especially when the fact is that they DO work.. considering the size, which is similar to that from 70-200G, WITH IS in the lens, i say that is a pretty well miniaturization of some pretty nifty stuff there. some canon users might use the fact that canon L lenses openly say that their lenses are weather sealed, and myself would take that as a pretty good assurance to use it in the toughest condition mother nature can throw at me without a flinch.. would i do the same with SAL 70-200G? not that i say it cant, we have users who have tried and tested it out on the open dessert, rallies etc... but i'd do that with my own lens with a pinch of salt. their IS consists of different modes of IS, where when used in different scenarios, does give a better advantage over those who doesn't have the option to choose. its all about the details, not only optics are solely taken into consideration.
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mastering89
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Dec 10 2010, 11:41 AM
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QUOTE(zstan @ Dec 10 2010, 11:28 AM) not really. the new nonac 70-200 f2.8 IS II cost about twice the one without IS, and almost 1.5 times more expensive than our 70-200G. does it mean its much much more superiorly optically better than its predecessor or our sony lens? susah to compare between different brands/company but for that price it should be better than its predecessor  . if not the user would bising and mogok 8tvt : bigger filter look more pro good  . but if too big = more $$. also CPL polarization doesnt work well. this one has 112mm filter Tokina 300mm f/2.8 This post has been edited by mastering89: Dec 10 2010, 11:43 AM
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hazril
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Dec 10 2010, 11:47 AM
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QUOTE(zstan @ Dec 10 2010, 11:31 AM) there's more disadvantage than advantages i can think off.. more chances of vignetting..more expensive filters... lens require bigger filter size is because they need a bigger body to fit all the elements, AF motor and the image stabilisation mechanism..which makes them more heavier and bulky... please elaborate more on the bolded part... QUOTE(lwliam @ Dec 10 2010, 11:39 AM) canon means canon la, apasal nonac la, nicknack la, tictac la... +11111111111111111111111111111 demm you la will...thats f***ing hilarious...i just spew my coffee across my screen....hahahahaha!!!
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kysham
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Dec 10 2010, 12:06 PM
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IS is more expensive to implement in lenses with larger glass elements as the IS motor will have to physically move bigger and heavier glass. That is one reason why it is more expensive. Sony's SteadyShot moves the camera's sensor around to achieve the stabilization, so the specification of the stabilization motor is fixed. You only buy ONE stabilization and use for ALL lenses.... in Nikon & Canon, you need to buy ONE stabilization for EACH lens....
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kopitiam
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Dec 10 2010, 12:27 PM
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love the stabilization with minolta & m42 lens
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shootkk
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Dec 10 2010, 12:29 PM
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Loyal Sony A100 User
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QUOTE(kysham @ Dec 10 2010, 12:06 PM) IS is more expensive to implement in lenses with larger glass elements as the IS motor will have to physically move bigger and heavier glass. That is one reason why it is more expensive. Sony's SteadyShot moves the camera's sensor around to achieve the stabilization, so the specification of the stabilization motor is fixed. You only buy ONE stabilization and use for ALL lenses.... in Nikon & Canon, you need to buy ONE stabilization for EACH lens.... In simpler terms : Sony ROCKS.... the sensor so that you don't have to rock your wallet every time to buy IS lenses!!
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ianho
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Dec 10 2010, 12:39 PM
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Cucimangkoklife
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Canon ROCKs la. Sony like ROCK got la.  *runs awaaaaaaaaaaaaaay* This post has been edited by ianho: Dec 10 2010, 12:40 PM
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kysham
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Dec 10 2010, 12:40 PM
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QUOTE(shootkk @ Dec 10 2010, 12:29 PM) In simpler terms : Sony ROCKS.... the sensor so that you don't have to rock your wallet every time to buy IS lenses!!  shootkk, gotta love your way of saying this. kopitiam, don't think you will be able to get stabilization with M42 lenses, unless you couple it with the AF confirmation chip adapter (not sure about this also). But yes, all minolta af lenses will benefit from the same SteadyShot stabilization as well.
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kopitiam
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Dec 10 2010, 12:53 PM
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got stabilization with m42. i ever use braynumb's princeflex This post has been edited by kopitiam: Dec 10 2010, 01:01 PM
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ieR
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Dec 10 2010, 12:59 PM
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~Cursed Member~
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it does work. tested it. and yes it has. (on my A300 and A550) not sure other body
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iamKiet
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Dec 10 2010, 01:12 PM
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QUOTE(ianho @ Dec 10 2010, 12:39 PM) Canon ROCKs la. Sony like ROCK got la.  *runs awaaaaaaaaaaaaaay* You mean Sony built like rock?
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Newbieeeeee
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Dec 10 2010, 01:16 PM
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freddy manson
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Dec 10 2010, 01:28 PM
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QUOTE(zstan @ Dec 10 2010, 11:28 AM) not really. the new nonac 70-200 f2.8 IS II cost about twice the one without IS, and almost 1.5 times more expensive than our 70-200G. does it mean its much much more superiorly optically better than its predecessor or our sony lens? apa nonac? i tot it's a new term or sumthing.. non-ac? oh canon kah? the childborth of Kwanon?  haiya.. say Canon saja mah.. we're 1malaysia what? QUOTE(ianho @ Dec 10 2010, 12:39 PM) Canon ROCKs la. Sony like ROCK got la.  *runs awaaaaaaaaaaaaaay* unker.. u run la.. no can hide ma.. we know where u hide.. the canon thread aiyah.. no post to comment on.. too full from my lunch..
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chiahau
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Dec 10 2010, 01:44 PM
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Spamming one from KLCC PC Expo.
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gjtan
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Dec 10 2010, 01:49 PM
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Alphanatic still down...what happened to it Added on December 10, 2010, 2:23 pmAlphanatic is back online This post has been edited by gjtan: Dec 10 2010, 02:23 PM
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chiahau
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Dec 10 2010, 02:28 PM
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Apparently, the view in PC Expo ish quite decent lol. Buaya after lunch xD
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porkchop
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Dec 10 2010, 02:36 PM
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i do wish sony gives the option of lens stabilization in 70-200 f2.8 lens
then at least we can use a mixture (in-lens stabalization on & in-body stabilization off)
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