...Okay, this thread has become too much about selling. xD

Let's talk about something else

I'm thinking of getting like 5 or 6 J Cymbals Diamond series (equivalent to Stagg SH apparently) and just placing them around my kit.

Thinking of letting go my 2 months old Pearl Demon Double Pedal...Pm me with your offer guys..Bought at RM2k....

Don't like it arh bro? A few people said it felt TOO smooth.

Any Drum contest..Drums solo contest? or Drummer Gathering for sharing, how to improve, breakthrough in personal skills and techniques?

none that i know off hehehehe...would love to join if there is one...hehehhehe...

any takers on my dennis chamber snare?? I'll give very good price if can deal asap!

This post has been edited by treflip: Jan 2 2011, 02:35 AM

I had been behind the drums for 9 years already.
Been playing consistently and been on stage, been to band competitions and winning them, been to performances as well.

I do not want to let myself get stuck with my current skills and techniques as i want to breakthrough my current level.

I need some real eye openers on how to further improve my drumming.

that's the spirit!! im having the same thought myself...why not bro..we should organize a meet up or something...where do u normally perform bro?? do u have a band? and what genre do u normally play?

Ahhh Demon Drives ! Too bad I don't have spare funds for them.

Gotta stay with my fast doubles method.


Just moved my drums into my new room today, completely re-tuned everything, so far it's good. When the heads are ageing to "retire" I'm going to change it to some warm sounding Evans/Remo.

Cymbals too.

Good to have someone thinking like me.. I am more of needing eye opener in doing some stuffs that is not in my head. Haha..
I have a band, but it is more attached to a church. I usually play in the church, sometimes in conferences.
So basically, I am not attached to any outside band.

Rock, Pop, Alternative Rock..

What about u?

How long does it take u to learn the open close hi hat pattern? The one where u hit the hi hat open then close it with your leg quickly then open again and hit then close again. I find it very difficult. Pelase help

Practice makes things perfect.
I would recommend that you will start to stomp your left feet in a consistent manner first, until you are able to do it consistently without thinking about it. Most people find it difficult because it is the left feet.
Usually right handed drummer will find difficulties with the left hand, left feet. There will not be that active to move that fast as the right can do.
So keep on practicing until your left parts movement can match the right parts movement.

thanks boner. Do u have any tips? Its like everytime the second hi hat hit, i will kinda hit it close because need move left leg fast fast

This post has been edited by WintersuN: Jan 2 2011, 09:25 PM

There are 2 possible thing. Sometimes, it is the problem of the hi-hat itself. I had played on lousy hi-hats before, and it sucks. The sound produced is terrible, and you ain't going to develop feeling by playing those lousy hi-hats.

Try to adjust your hi-hat.. Make it "flexible", so that the sound of the hi-hat sounds crispier, and more treble.

Another thing, try to time the hit. It is not gonna happen in 1-2 days. Give some patience in trying to hit it correctly. Best method is to hit at a slow rate, like 60-70 BPS. That way, you can know how to hit it, and time the hit accurately.

Other than that, the left foot really need some real exercise and training. I have got no doubts in this. It also applies to the left hand as well. If your left hand could not move as fast as your right hand could do, you will have a real "big time" doing x16, or x32 rolls.

And the method to repair this weakness it to practice on para-diddles, and then single stroke ( 1/2 using the whole arm, 1/2 using the wrist, I called it up and downs). Means when you want to hit the hi-hat 8 times, your arm only move up and down 4 times only, and your wrist move 4 times, total = 8 times. Kinda hard to explain this here, but if you know what i mean, then that is great.

Welcome Bonescythe!

You mean the stick shuffling method?

The arm up and down is really new to me. WHat is it called? Sounds like a great technique. Ill try look up in you tube.

Then ill try practice the hihat pattern slowly. thanks u the best

I really had no idea what is the correct technical terms for this method / techniques / skill.

For me, i am still struggling to master my left hand.. Can do, but i cannot tahan too long (As in more than 15minutes).. Very tiring for my left hand.. Right hand is no problem already.

Really need a lot of patience, passion, concentration, spirit, endurance to practice. Will be very very frustrating at the beginning, because wrist will get very tired, and you are forcing your own to move the wrist. Haha, mentally very challenging as well to keep on and continue.

This skill is very useful when you are doing fast rolls... etc, in 4 beats/count, you can hit 16 times..

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Added on January 2, 2011, 10:50 pmWell, i will try to explain a little here.

Lets say in 1 bar (8 beat, and hit 8 times)

1st beat: Your arm goes down (hit 1 time)
2nd beat: Your arm goes up, and your wrist hit down (hit 1 time)
3rd beat: repeat 1st beat method
4th beat: repeat 2nd beat method

And repeat and repeat until the 8th beat.

I personally like this kind of hitting. 1st, the listener will not feel bored because there are different sound (different from the previous) each hit. It will be something like "tssk tzzk tssk tzzk tssk tzzk"
2ndly, your arm will not be so tired if you are going to play for 30minutes ~ 1 hour. Usually when performance, you will be playing for 30-45miuntes. Unless you are performing for 1 song..

Well, you can literally apply this to crash, or even snare drum when you are doing march... It will be so so cool..!!!

This post has been edited by Bonescythe: Jan 2 2011, 10:50 PM

I still need to practice alot on my consistency.

Finger fulcrum method too. I'm having heavy hats now. Kinda hard to do the crisp I always wanted to do.

Im currently playing for three bands...one band that i joined two years ago has been in the local music industry for quite a while and now is about to be attached to air asia's Tune records and our beloved Mr Roslan Aziz...the other two is still a new up coming band hehehehe...


I play mostly rock variations: progressive, modern, hard rock etc...sometimes i play fusion...but personally i'm more towards the grooving side of music...as much techniques and fills variations that ive gathered throught my drumming years i still lean towards groove oriented drum fills etc as opposed to technical monotonous drum licks hehehehe...i'm into especially gospel and church drumming although ive never played in a church befoe and i'm a Muslim =) but i love black gospel music

Gospel chops!!

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Added on January 3, 2011, 12:04 amaaa one of my fave thing to do when grooving on a hi hat...i know what u mean by the up and down...u can learn this technique from one of dave weckl video lesson...it gives groove to your hi hat groove =)

from then on you would lear shuffle groove which is one of my favorite and i use it quite alot..i mean i made a few shuffle variations after seeing the late jeff porcaro came up with his roxanna shuffle =)

and the up and down technique on the hi hat is more of like actions of accenting and un-accenting...if u know what i mean =)

and the mention about the hi hat close and open...all you need to practice is time...as a drummer time keeping is important and whatever you practice it will always comes down to practicing keeping time and tempo...and also groove =)


This post has been edited by treflip: Jan 3 2011, 12:04 AM

Nice.. You have been to record as well.
I had been to some live Christmas production (Live band). Lacking of records though. Do not have external bands for me to explore into this area.. Still looking at it though..

Yea, I will admit that I am indeed good in gospel music genre, as that is my background.
Well, my main line is still on "Rock" genre anyway.

Maybe you can invite me to one of your drumming session, and you be my sifu and I learn from you? Hahaha..
Maybe there are something that I had yet to explore and use it..

What I am looking forward for a breakthrough is:-
1.) How to make a even better roll, the fill-ins between verse and chorus and vice versa.. Yes, it is hitting something, but what to hit at the right occasion and according to the song. Hitting a x32 roll on a slow quiet notch song will definitely spoil everything.. Hahaha

2.) How to create a even better build up... *From a quiet bridge part -> High peaked chorus*.. What are the aspect in the build that is need to be focused to create a better drive..

3.) Some 1-2bars drum solos... Had a handful, but still need more eye openers in this.

4.) Styles of playing the mixture of tom-tom + snare... *Some sort of jungle beat* .. Also need eye opener in some even crazy style of hitting... Haha

These are the things I am looking to improve on..

This post has been edited by Bonescythe: Jan 3 2011, 12:23 AM

can swap my snare with one of ur pork pie snares?

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Added on January 3, 2011, 2:15 amaiya bro...no la...i cant be your sifu...we learn and improve together...no worries bro..one of these days will sure invite you bro... =)

to answer your question, well, from my own perspective and taste...the fill ins between verses or parts of a song is, well, up to you...it is your's to fill in becoz it is you who is playing it..it is your own art and your own way of coloring the song =)

as for me i dont put much rolls or fills unless it is necessary in a certain part of the song...to me i believe in keeping it clean and simple and groovy untill when the time comes for a solo then you blast all your techniques out but has to be clean and in context that the listener or audience can relate or understand =)

toms snare mixture like u mention you really should check out the stuff drummers like aaron spears or marvin mcquitty or eric moore does..their style of gospel chops...that is the kind of drumming im into and playing alot...i incorporate much of those in my music as much as i can....but has to have a limit to it or else i would ruin the song =)...coz in the end of the day the audience would wanna listen to the song as a whole...not u as an individual..unless it is solo time!! hehehehehe =D

most of the fills i do are variations of triplets, paradiddles, double paradiddles, 5 and 7 stroke rolls...basically a combination of singles and doubles and mix it around in quarter notes or triplet fills...and also incorporate the combination of hands and feet as well...dont just do hand rolls as your fills would sound boring =)

the question about building up from, say, the bridge to the end...perhaps that part is more towards of the feel of the song it self...to make your build up more effective and dramatic it is nothing more than just playing with dynamics...its up to u to hit what or what drum fills to put it, as i siad earlier, its up to u to colour the song as a drummer as you are the artist playing...but in order for it to be more dramatic you need dynamics...which is very very important in drummming =)

and for the question of making better rolls...well..all i can say is more practice...even im still trying to develop my left hand...i can say im lucky enough and thankful to God Himself for giving me the ability now to have control of ghost notes from developing my double stroke rolls..as some people get ghost notes from just letting the stick bounce on the drum head, while i actually control the amount of sof hits in the ghost notes using the same technique of a double stroke roll...and i'm getting the speed of my left hand to match my right hand...but still it is uneven...so in order to 'main tipu' to make it sound even, again i played with dynamics hehehe.....but i'm still in the process of improving my single stroke and double stroke to make it as even as possible =)

This post has been edited by treflip: Jan 3 2011, 02:15 AM