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beer8bottles
post May 27 2011, 01:21 AM

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Where is your "here"? I want to get a few then. Stupid LFS in Puchong and Sri Petaling so expensive.

My aba-abas throw the snails around in the aquarium but don't eat them. Maybe they prefer fish, but I'd like to see what happens if I put in a crayfish or crab. I think they are bored.
LeeChiaHow
post May 27 2011, 01:31 AM

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Penang o.o
WHere'd you get your aba-abas from?I only saw one for sale a few years ago and can't find them now
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post May 27 2011, 02:48 AM

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QUOTE(LeeChiaHow @ May 26 2011, 09:20 PM)
only one left? price? tongue.gif
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Under RM50 for sure bro. I'm not sure if its still there lah but if I have time tomorrow I may drop by and check it out, let you know.
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post May 27 2011, 05:01 AM

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QUOTE(beer8bottles @ May 27 2011, 12:52 AM)
Imagine your monster fish fighting with the crayfish and then devouring it. Totally killer. Dunno where to find. All crayfish cost Rm 7 -10 each here. shocking.gif  I want to get crabs for my aba-abas. They won't eat the snails.
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babe (now that i know u're a woman)... smile.gif I sometimes feed my lungfish crabs claw... U know the ones that people stir-fry with chili ones? Here in Langkawi I just go down to a freshwater river that flows into the sea and catch them myself.... Smaller crabs I feed them whole, big ones I just eat myself. smile.gif
LeeChiaHow
post May 27 2011, 06:29 AM

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QUOTE(PIMPIN @ May 27 2011, 02:48 AM)
Under RM50 for sure bro. I'm not sure if its still there lah but if I have time tomorrow I may drop by and check it out, let you know.
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Under RM50 then cannot be a cuban I think,because cubans go for at least RM300 from what I've heard smile.gif
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post May 27 2011, 06:42 AM

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QUOTE(LeeChiaHow @ May 27 2011, 06:29 AM)
Under RM50 then cannot be a cuban I think,because cubans go for at least RM300 from what I've heard smile.gif
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I don't know bro, I was there very briefly. I just passed the tank, saw this really white Gar and a price written there (I suspect its for the Gar) and got what I came for - feeders. In and out, 3 mins heh. smile.gif
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post May 27 2011, 05:48 PM

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Dear all,

I am intending to rare 2 Arapaimas, start with bout 6 incher?

My question here is how deep a pond do they need when full grown? And will it need net on top to prevent it from jumping ?

Some turtles and other fishes will share the same pond. Intended size of pond is 20ft x 18ft x 5ft. Possible or no go ?

Appreciate your advice. Thanks.




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LeeChiaHow
post May 27 2011, 09:10 PM

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QUOTE(EuJax @ May 27 2011, 05:48 PM)
Dear all,

I am intending to rare 2 Arapaimas, start with bout 6 incher?

My question here is how deep a pond do they need when full grown? And will it need net on top to prevent it from jumping ?

Some turtles and other fishes will share the same pond. Intended size of pond is 20ft x 18ft x 5ft. Possible or no go ?

Appreciate your advice. Thanks.
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Arapaima actually don't need very deep water,as long as water depth is 2times the thickness of the fish
Area is more important for them,they should be ok in your pond smile.gif
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post May 27 2011, 09:34 PM

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But that doesn't mean they wouldn't appreciate as large an enclosure as possible. I think yours works out to about 50,000 liters or just over 11,000gallons. Have you figured out your filtration system?
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post May 28 2011, 12:53 AM

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Thx lee. Glad to hear they don need very deep water.

Thx pimpin. I understand the bigger the better but that's the max size I can do for them. That's why I intend to buy the babies and slowly see them grow, not that slow I know.

Well, haven't figure our filtration but am thinking to engage a contractor for that. Any suggestion for it? Brand of filtration and so on?
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post May 28 2011, 02:38 AM

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QUOTE(EuJax @ May 28 2011, 12:53 AM)
Thx lee. Glad to hear they don need very deep water.

Thx pimpin. I understand the bigger the better but that's the max size I can do for them. That's why I intend to buy the babies and slowly see them grow, not that slow I know.

Well, haven't figure our filtration but am thinking to engage a contractor for that. Any suggestion for it? Brand of filtration and so on?
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Actually you're giving them what 99% of all Arapaimas will never ever be able to provide for them so don't sell yourself short. Don't believe me? Go on MonsterFishKeepers and see how many even have half of that.

I don't think the filtration system for something of this magnitude is something that you should attempt to DIY (unless you or your family are contractors heheh). I've actually considered repairing one of my concrete ponds in the Perlis house (nearly 20yrs don't know how badly cracked it is down there) and redoing it properly with tiles, real proper filtration system such as bottom drains every 10-12sq ft etc but the cost is a bit too prohibitive. The dimensions are very similar to yours only marginally bigger wider and slightly deeper.

And since it was an L-shaped pond, I just thought how about if one part of the L-shape is like a river with proper outlets shooting out water to mimic a river while the other shorter leg of the L can be 'stagnant' water sort of setup. A bit ambitious so decided to go straightforward pond build and asked my cousin who does construction. Basically, to do this sort of sized pond and do to do it properly would be equivalent to building a swimming pool so I'd say on the low end 75k but closer to 100k would be my guess.
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post May 28 2011, 03:00 AM

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Not just private fishkeepers,how many public aquariums house their arapaimas in 15k gallon + setups? Maybe a handful of them
Arapaimas actually do quite well in mud ponds without any filtration,so you can try digging one but the visibility will be very bad though :/
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post May 28 2011, 03:14 AM

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QUOTE(LeeChiaHow @ May 28 2011, 03:00 AM)
Not just private fishkeepers,how many public aquariums house their arapaimas in 15k gallon + setups? Maybe a handful of them
Arapaimas actually do quite well in mud ponds without any filtration,so you can try digging one but the visibility will be very bad though :/
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Actually for public aquariums 15k gallons is nothing really. But if its just purely for Arapaimas then a tad silly lah.

Of course the Arapaima will do well in mud ponds, so do Koi for that matter but how to enjoy the fish? Luckily the pond where my Gars will be joining my RTCs and Sterlets is a continously cycling pond - all natural, no filtration biggrin.gif
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post May 28 2011, 03:32 AM

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QUOTE(PIMPIN @ May 28 2011, 03:14 AM)
Actually for public aquariums 15k gallons is nothing really. But if its just purely for Arapaimas then a tad silly lah.

Of course the Arapaima will do well in mud ponds, so do Koi for that matter but how to enjoy the fish? Luckily the pond where my Gars will be joining my RTCs and Sterlets is a continously cycling pond - all natural, no filtration  biggrin.gif
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I was thinking a amazon river setup like the one on MFK brows.gif
What the temp. of your pond water? how big are the sterlets,never seen them for sale here for a few years already
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post May 28 2011, 04:04 PM

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QUOTE(LeeChiaHow @ May 28 2011, 03:32 AM)
I was thinking a amazon river setup like the one on MFK  brows.gif
What the temp. of your pond water? how big are the sterlets,never seen them for sale here for a few years already
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Sterlets when put in were quite small, probably 5-6in in a 2000gal space of pond about a month ago. Haven't been to that house lately, my parents were there yesterday but forgot to ask them to check and now they've gone to their other house which has several ponds as well but nothing of interest to me since my Dad stocked them with keli for food only.

Water temp? Hahahah ask ggMing. He's been there several times in fact he released the Sterlets into the pond for me. He should have a better idea of the range of temperatures since he released the Sterlets at night and then the next day he happened to 'swim' in the water LOL rolleyes.gif

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post May 28 2011, 04:57 PM

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Will sterlets survive in a tank without a chiller but with more air pumps for increased aeration? hmm.gif
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post May 28 2011, 06:00 PM

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QUOTE(LeeChiaHow @ May 28 2011, 04:57 PM)
Will sterlets survive in a tank without a chiller but with more air pumps for increased aeration? hmm.gif
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Ideally they would need colder water, but if you can't incorporate a chiller into your setup then I suppose aeration is the next best thing. My water is already cold naturally which is why I bought the Sterlets. If I couldn't house them properly I wouldn't have taken on the responsibility.
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post May 28 2011, 10:49 PM

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QUOTE(PIMPIN @ May 28 2011, 06:00 PM)
Ideally they would need colder water, but if you can't incorporate a chiller into your setup then I suppose aeration is the next best thing. My water is already cold naturally which is why I bought the Sterlets. If I couldn't house them properly I wouldn't have taken on the responsibility.
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I think I'll still stick with my fishes 1st,too many fish already tongue.gif
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post May 29 2011, 03:09 AM

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Visiting Fins & Greens tomorrow~!!!
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post May 29 2011, 03:42 AM

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Pimpin, thanks for your kind comment. I am just trying to have a nice pond smile.gif How do you make your setup flow naturally ? River waters ? That would be awesome.

Lee, what is MFK and amazon setup like ? Any photos to share ?




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