Hell yeah! Finally the call for a quality GSM Android phone with physical keyboard is ANSWERED!
Been tailing this badboy since it peeked its head out of T-Mobile's stash as the G2.

Basically it is same as the G2, with only one major difference. The G2 is vanilla Android, meaning no HTC Sense UI, but the Desire Z has HTC Sense UI.

Specs:

Qualcomm MSM 7230 800 MHz processor with Adreno 205 GPU (benchmark shows it beating the older 1ghz snapdragon in every way!)
GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
HSDPA 1900 / 2100
480 x 800 pixels, 3.7 inches
1.5 GB ROM; 512 MB RAM
Wi-Fi 802.11 b/g/n
5 MP, 2592х1944 pixels, autofocus, LED flash
720p video recording
Stereo FM radio with RDS
GPS
Aluminum features (not unibody) with metal hinge


http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_desire_z-3421.php

This post has been edited by daijoubu: Dec 17 2010, 12:04 AM

Will it be more expensive than Desire? I don't see any advantage in terms of specs when comparing to the Desire other than the keyboard and its bad ass look.

the spec make me feel that it will be the price as desire.....

+ keyboard - processor = same price??

i guess ill hang on to my i600 a bit longer till this is launched here before i make the jump to android...

Interesting material... I would actually love to see a similar design with aluminum body, but without the physical keyboard

I know you're going to say Legend but the spec is too low for modern smartphones now

oh i cant wait for it to come out.. if the price is similar to the desire now or lower i am gonna get it!

the Desire uses the previous 1ghz snapdragon.. the Desire Z has a much more better performance even it is clocked lower and uses less power indeed.. My guess that it would be slightly higher abit compared to Desire's RRP when it is launched



perhaps it would be RRP around 2300 maybe when it is launched under maxis early next yr..

it will be launched in the asian market by october

http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/15/htc-des...een-waiting-fo/

see the end of the press release statement

October eh? Great now I got reason to get this badass phone

With the new processor and the GPU plus physical keyboard, definitely would be a good game console too..

It should be more expensive since it has a keyboard. Perhaps around Touch Pro 2 pricing?
Spec wise, the biggest difference is the Processor/Keyboard. Its based on the 45nm architecture, which uses less power, and it has the Adreno 205 GPU, which is 3-4 times faster than the older Desire. Based on early benchmark, it GPU is just slightly slower than the Galaxy S. We all know the old Desire cant hold up nuts against even the old Milestone when it comes to 3D games, what more to the Iphone 3GS, or Galaxy S. This new Desire will up the ante, and finally put it up against those heavyweights.

If you want the alu unibody without the keyboard you can consider the HTC Desire HD . 1Ghz snapdragon 45nm with Adreno 205 =D.

This 800mhz overall is faster than the older 1Ghz snapdragon seen on the old Desire . Some speculate that it can be overclocked to 800mhz.
But well if you want a 1.2Ghz snapdragon phone, you can wait for the HTC Verizon world phone. It has a keyboard too, but it most probably will be only for Verizon, so you might need to purchase it overseas or via AP.

The Legend actually really look pretty damn good. One of the best looking Android phone. Maybe HTC can do like Proton, change the specs, use a similar design and push out as a new product.

If this 800Mhz is better than Desire's Snapdragon, then I suppose the Desire HD's processor is far greater despite being at the same clock speed?

The Desire HD is using 1Ghz compared to the desire z's 800mhz. Both have the Adreno 205 =D

bear in mind that the snapdragon in Z and HD better/not same as Desire's snapdragon

come in froyo?

better wait for the review

htc desire z VS motorola milestone 2

wow...spoilt for choice

this i will go for "milestone 2"

http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/35600/htc-...ola-milestone-2

htc desire z vs motorola milestone 2 comparison

milestone with locked bootloader is more powerful (android 3.0 ready?)

touchscreen phones, dun have a need for keyboard lar .. use swype .. fast fast type

*** cabuts***

If I were to believe the Proc is more optimized than the older proc we're used to see and thus can actually deliver better performance. As we all know, clock speed doesn't mean anything. It's all about the design of the proc itself and it seems to be better than the 1Ghz Snapdragon with higher clock speed and more power consumption.

lol they say milestone cpu beat desire z cpu?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6droPt2v8o

see how fast the desire z boot up.. i dont think the milestone is even close to that

As it says in the description, it's not technically switched off. It's more like a standby. It still uses a little amount of battery. If you take out the battery then the speed would be 'normal'.

This post has been edited by exentric_nova: Sep 16 2010, 12:54 PM

the boot up time is crazy fast and the keyboard looks just awesome. cant wait to test it out

That is only fastboot la.. haha.. not a total shutdown of the device.. but neat feature already.. its like placing the phone on hibernate when you totally wish to keep away from your itchy hands and do stuffs.. its to tempted and hands get itchy to perhaps say swipe the homescreen for no reason..

i must say its admiring own homescreen set up.. lol..

standby mode would drain the battery like crap then what is the point offing the phone? i dont think its in standby mode.. go see engadget's video showing it

Isn't the specification for DESIRE HD higher than this phone?

right will see how the reviews go..

Both are equally good device, but based on my comparison, the GPU for the Desire Z should be better than the milestone2's aged PowerVR SGX530. The Adreno 205 is more or less equal if not slightly better to the PowerVR SGX530, which is used in the Iphone 3GS and the Iphone 4.

Besides that, even though the camera 5MP is same in terms of res, the milestone2 uses the same sensor in the older milestone, which is terrible.

And the milestone2 does not have radio, IINM.

Software wise, HTC Sense UI has the best widgets and user experience, but motoblur isnt that bad either. Just that milestone2 is less mod friendly than HTC's phones.

In terms of keyboard, depends whether u prefer the chiclet keys on desire z or the domed keys on milestone2.

A few things mileston2 win is in display resolution, which it has 54 more lines of pixels, and its huge inbuild ROM of 8GB!

All should be android 3.0 ready. Most probably updates will be faster for the desire z because of the T-Mobile vanilla android phone. I reckon there will be lots of intermodded roms for this two twins.

Yes the Desire HD spec is higher, but its a different class of phone. That is a candy bar while this has a keyboard

too thick. not slim enough

i tot SGX530 still slightly better than Adreno205??

i might be wrong

That's something I don't understand, HTC has been designing a lot of lower end smartphone (as compared to the current Desire), and the problem is that some of the graphic might not able to support certain games and apps ... it will be rather dissapointing to the user. This new phone running on a lower speed processor as compared to the existing Desire, I hope it will perform on par to avoid complaints ... Wildfire and Aria are definitely a loser but newer phone as compared to Desire.

I said its like standby, I didn't say it is standby. There's not really a term for it so I used standby for easier understanding purposes. I guess it's my mistake for your misunderstanding. It basically switch off most of phones feature but kept just enough powered to keep the phone 'running' hence the quick bootup. It was never switched off. My guess is like hibernate but everything is shoved into the RAM for quicker load hence still need some power and why it won't work when the battery is pulled out.

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Added on September 16, 2010, 2:01 pmPeople seriously need to learn not to compare clock speed for perfomance. Would a P4 2.8Ghz be any better than a i3/i5 2.8Ghz? This proc has been optimized and a new GPU which is faster than any current GPU units.

This post has been edited by exentric_nova: Sep 16 2010, 02:01 PM

So far no Adreno 205 on this but keep refreshing http://smartphonebenchmarks.com/

Nope the Adreno 205 is in SGX535 range.

http://www.glbenchmark.com/compare.jsp?ben...00%20Galaxy%20S

I've made some comparisons below:

some information from GSM Arena is not the same compared to the ones on Phone Arena.
I will update the info from time to time

This post has been edited by daijoubu: Sep 17 2010, 12:31 AM

benchmarks are raw comparison i guess.. max fps and gaming performance is somehow a better way to grade.. some phones are benchmarked high but suffers from caps such as vsync and hdmi output cap.. how it performs on graphical duties and daily usage is a slightly different story but still can be compared to the benchmark results.. i must say the desire Z specs are not disappointing and definitely an upgrade compared to htc desire

i am soooooo looking forward to this phone! come come to malaysia / lowyat!

ouch the price of desire z in europe is expensive...

http://www.androidpolice.com/2010/09/16/am...icing-revealed/

reach here sure dam expensive edi i think around 2199 same price as desire when released

This post has been edited by Narako: Sep 16 2010, 08:15 PM

well the T mobile G2 price in US is just USD499 which makes it about RM1.6k =D

I believe the t-mobile G2 USD 499 is subsidized right? I guess that's why its cheaper

nope unsubsidized
if contract subsidized, its only USD150 =D

uk's play.com selling at 430 pounds = rm2.2k~
hmm.... kinda expensive..

but im still aiming for this to be my first android hp..
cos i like touchscreen but not virtual keyboards.. :

it is combine of the desire, nexus & milestone + front video call camera...
Woah !!!

It will be my next android phones after n1, i think desire HD is to big for me..

desire hd is like hd2 size & the upgrade of the camera to 8mp only, w/out front v cam...

finally... been waiting for an android like this...coz me same as blur_goofy...1st android...wan touch screen and qwerty.

is this the one that was labelled as HTC Vision? if it was....then i thought the vision was supposed to have an 8mp cam and 1ghz (unknown) proc?

I honestly dont see the need for the keyboard as the onscreen keyboard it self is good enough. However Processor wise & benchmarking.. ermm.. looks very yummy... should be another 3k++ priced phone.

below 2.5k..

I believe it will be sold above RM2.5k initially as things sold in Malaysia are usually more expensive wan...

To me, having a physical keyboard is essential in a smartphone, especially in an OS with a lot of development around it.

With a physical keyboard you can control your phone while enjoying the full glory of the screen. It's really good especially when IM, web browsing and gaming is concerned.

u wrong gues..
at 1st we guess desire will sell more than 2.5k...finally come out 2299 only..

this thggy i think will be more 100 or 200 only, mayb 2399 or 2499 RP...

we take sure lower than RP.. so excited d..

bro,
when u gonna bring this in?

wait our neigbour country sg launch 1st... very soon

Yup, eating my own words.

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1564227

Desire Z video was removed from youtube by HTC themselves.. Wierd, they are pulling back the video, the Desire HD video is still on youtube btw..

lol maybe something wrong.. but i have to agree that the htc desire hd is way too big

You might be refering to the new Verizon world phone. 1.2Ghz with 8mp cam i think. That will launch next year i think.


Btw i did a mistake. The Desire Z does not have a unibody aluminium design. It has aluminium features, and a metal hinge, which is touted to be very strong and lasting, but not unibody design.

mayb they hv more latest video wan upload

Just when I got the awesome HTC Desire they come and release this and HD. lol.

well technology wait for no man... =D

Someone else reupload the video. I heard the video saying the screen size is 3.6", maybe it stated wrong there so they need to change it?

lol must because of that otherwise they wouldnt take it down

This post has been edited by mikelee: Sep 17 2010, 12:50 PM

all these claims that the htc desire HD and Z has better graphic performance...

was there any good games in android that demand high graphic processing??

i have to say its Angry Birds.. no sarcasm here indeed

if u want other games, try Asphalt 5, Fifa 2010, N.o.v.a, Modern Combat : Sandstorm, Raging Thunder 2, PSX4droid (Psx emulator), Gangstar,

This post has been edited by pluginbaby: Sep 17 2010, 03:12 PM

not only games require a good gpu, those animation, movies, ui needs it too.

Well so far Gameloft has 3D HD games released for Android, and many of Iphone games are being ported over, it only makes sense to have a good GPU inside the phone for futureproof.

I mean, the Desire HD and Z has a graphic processor that is more or less the power of a Iphone 3GS/4. So it only makes sense that if you want Android to have more future games that can rival that of Iphone, you gotta release more phones that have at least the GPU power of the Iphone3GS/4. Then more developers will port Iphone games over, AND develop more games for the Android platform (not to mention Android is slowly outselling Iphone, its a goldmine for game development =D)

indeed i guess.. hopefully the new hardware will deliver a better entertainment experience, the UI has been proven good already

Hopefully Adreno 205 will be decent and good even it is not on par with Samsung Galaxy S (PowerVR SGX540).. Being on par with the iPhone 4, DroidX is good enough already.

This post has been edited by pluginbaby: Sep 17 2010, 03:16 PM

new HTCsense.com really differs itself from other android manufacturer.

Love the FREE GPS NAVIGATION!

im hoping for that too
if HTC or other Android handset makers can flood the market with lots of Adreno 205 (assuming it is on par with Iphone3GS), then we can expect more gaming development to come towards Android.

Having too good of a GPU isnt good, if its expensive. Cause then it'll be too exclusive. What we need is decent graphic with cheap price, cause then only it can go to the masses.

Looking great btw, the Desire HD scores quadrant up to 1900.. perhaps its gpu scores (adreno 205) was better after all.. great news for desire Z too since it uses adreno 205 too.. ive posted the quadrant score screenshot at desire HD page to avoid it to be replicated here

This post has been edited by pluginbaby: Sep 17 2010, 04:40 PM

I think navigation is not free. Is just now they cache the maps into the phone, not like last time use google map sure need internet connection.

Perhaps you can cache it before you start the journey. Use wifi to cache the places you want to go.
I'd be great if can just download the whole map of a state or country into your phone

i heard that the map is free but not the navigation

i make up my mind between Nokia E7 and this.... i am gonna choose this one. 55 come out. I cant wait to get my hands on it.

great choice indeed.. the benchmarks are showing that GPU on the adreno 205 is performing well indeed on the DesireHD, it would be the same on the DesireZ since it shares the same Adreno 205 GPU. HTC Desire Z is undoubted the best 3.7inch phone right now.

i am also hoping tat DIGI will bring this Android in so i wont have to paid tat much.

I have to say I'm impressed by the new features of HTC Sense.

Seems Desire Z out muscle the current Desire. But will it support 3.0 (gingerbread)? as google mentioned the minimum requirement to be 1Ghz. Is confusing and contradicted. This maybe the deciding factor for me to choose Z if this phone can support 3.0.

That 1Ghz requirement for Gingerbread is just a rumour and has been refuted. Its a 'recommended' spec, not 'minimum'. The exact requirements for Gingerbread has not been released .

http://www.androidarena.com/2010/07/05/and...e-been-rubbish/

Anyway im sure the proc can be overclocked to 1.0ghz. Weirdly enough, even at 800mhz, its GLBenchmark scores seems to beat the Desire HD which is a 1Ghz device.

who cares about 3.0 now.... when 3.0 launch it will take another 6 months to implement into all phones.... and most likely HTC, Samsung and Motorola will have new phones by then and they wont even bother porting the damn 3.0 over to the current phone. Look at the phone in the market tat are launch this year a lot of them still no news about 2.2 (some said support but i dun see them coming anytime soon).

That is unless google gonna sell a Nexus 2 or else u can wait on and on......

http://www.glbenchmark.com/result.jsp?benc...ertified_only=1

wow look for htc vision and htc desire hd.. i wonder why is htc desire z much better

the desire HD has a larger screen perhaps.. but that is not a reason i guess since both have the same resolution.. That GLbenchmark is based on gpu power i suppose.. maybe Desire Z could score slightly higher than Desire HD in neocore (desire HD scored 61fps at best) since it has a slight advantage according to GLbenchmark.. but numbers may vary, its not like the difference compared to GalaxyS devices

arrrrghhhh!!!!
HTC Desire Z is so tempting...
Stop seducing me...
haha
Feel like wan to grab it to c nice holding or not...
HTC first high spec qwerty android phone \:D/

Sadly the G2 that is available in US does not support certain bands in Asia . There goes my hope of getting the G2 and flash over the Desire Z's ROM.

Guess no choice but to get the Desire Z. Pity it only has 1.5GB of ROM instead of the G2's 4GB.

I guess we cant really complain bout 1.5GB, if not Desire owner will become very angry ...

1.5GB or 4GB, still we would use microSD card.. For advanced user, surely they will use A2SD+

The advantages of having built in ROM should be for higher I/O speeds .

but i see that samsung galaxy S has to use lagfix to improve the I/O which partially solves the lag .. 3D games seems to run fine on the HTC Desire even when it is moved to the SD card. Higher internal also leads to a higher pricing supposely. They are balancing it out to mantain under an acceptable price

True on the higher price, but the Galaxy S lag problem was not due to the physical memory, rather the poor implementation on software. The lagfix fixed that problem and as a result, caused the I/O marks to soar in quadrant benchmarks.
Even the droid2 has large ROM, which gives it an edge in I/O.

It wouldnt hurt to have more ROM, but if the price increase is much then i rather have it less then

looks like this thread not as popular as the desire hd..... y ar? no one likes hardware keyboard?

Hardware keyboard only appeals to people that well, like to use keyboard .
Candybar touchscreen form factor is still the most popular choice.

If you type alot, or you plan to use it to make long docs, type alot of sms,or just prefer tactile feedback, then only you'd be attracted to the Desire Z =D

agreed..

truthfully theres really nothing much to discuss oso...now just waiting for the phone to release here

oh and that HTC Sense.com thingy with the locking and all that..should work in malaysia oso right?

I think the Desire HD thread is longer just because of the display type argument. I prefer Desire Z. I'm putting it on my wishlist. The feel of a keyboard is rather satisfying. Also, I found a Youtube video that showed both Z & HD side to side, and I think the display on Z is much clearer. I wonder why...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33z_kNjBtWc

Really hope Maxis subsidizes well for this phone... if not going for Iphone 4 seems more logical choice bcos is cheap under Maxis plan...

Even the package heavily side the Iphone package:
Same price (RM100 - Apple iValue1, RM 50+48 - Android) but for android package is 500MB less data, no 20 MMS n 200 SMS free. Not to mention there are cheaper phone price for those who are a heavy user.

Any reason for that? Are Maxis promoting Iphone over Android?

physical keyboard rawkk..!!dats why in us a lot user using physical keyboard phone..example sidekick..

somehow i have a feeling this phone would become the next htc legend shadowed by its brother the htc desire hd and would not get updates sam as what happen to the leng