It's disheartening to see HR still practice this and not calibre in finding the right candidate thus wasting everybody time. Requesting for pay slip is one thing but than they didn't promise anything at all to the candidate even after revealing your pay slip.

But one should not show your pay slip . When the manager or HR ask for it during the interview ,try to interrogate them further.

1) why you need to see the pay slip?
2) So, you have doubt that i reveal a fake previous salary?
3) Than in the first place y u calling me for interview ?
4) Do you call me for interview because I have the skill for this vacancy ?

Once you have detect something fishy or fiction about their conduct, i mean do you still want to work for them???

This post has been edited by hackwire: Sep 9 2010, 07:47 AM

hackwire,

A) If they are willing to tell me what my new boss salary is, I will provide the pay slip. If they ask why, I will reply I want to know what is the maximum that I will get pay at. If they say no aka it is private and confidential, I will say same to you...

B) I NEVER tell people what my previous salary is. So, there is NO REASON to verify my pay...

Dreamer

Dont give. SO what if you lose this opportunity, its your P&C.

From the way you have posted, it seems like you have not been truthful about your salary.

its not the matter of truthful or not. In the first place, asking previous salary got nothing to do with the present career. One can have RM 5K previously but due to economy downfall, we adjusted below the previous salary.

One cannot judge the person honesty by the application form.

Why so secret about your current salary? Is there anything to hide or you are overdeclaring your current salary? To me, I don't think it is a big issue if HR dept is requesting for my latest payslip.

To my understanding, latest payslip is needed to verify if the information provided to them are correct. Without payslip verification, a lot of people can just lie on high salary and can just claim themselves working for BIG COMPANY!

Yo, not current salary but previous salary. . YOu don't bracket people into hiding or secretive. It's a different issue you are trying to tie everything in. It's the question of how much budget they already allocated to hire someone and they had called the candidate up after they had seen his resume and they like his credentials and experience.

Requesting someone previous pay slip is to authenticate someone honesty ? There are so many ways to do it? Leave RM 50 on the table and see if he keep it ? Do u need me to tell u way of testing honesty? If the employer are the one that handles big account of money or person security than they can vet the candidate through certain sources . They could use extra money to vet the candidate. If the job is to work in armor truck carrying cash everyday than they might want to vet the background of the person.

If they want the pay slip, we can even ask them to show prove that they have conducted a good paycheck, promotion and bonus thru file and papers too.

This post has been edited by hackwire: Sep 9 2010, 10:08 AM

if so.. then y u reveal ur resume? is also "P&C" wat....

some company just wanna play save.. if u previous company paying u 1k and u asking for 2k.. is the company stupid enough to hired someone who ask increment for 50%?

for my understanding max increment they can accept is 30% if more.. then u can go home fly kite also

one word will describe them... they just KIASU and KIASI

if u didnt ask for ridiculous increment and ur previous salary u stated in ur CV is true.. why not just show them?

they wont go n scan and post at lowyat

yeowa,

Let's you go to a store and buy a table and you ask the store keeper to tell you what is the cost of the table, will he tell you??

Of course, not?? Why not?? Why is he SO SECRETIVE??

Ditto, why don't HR tell you UPFRONT how much that they budgeted the SALARY for this job?? Why SO SECRETIVE??

There is NO REASON for HR to know your previous salary.. They have BUDGETED certain amount for this job. And, they know how much to pay you. None of this is RELEVANT to your PREVIOUS PAY. The ONLY REASON why they want your PREVIOUS PAY is because they want to pay you LOWER.

If they know your PREVIOUS PAY is X, they know they can get you at 10% to 15% more. Why are you SO STUPID to make sure that you get LOWER PAY??

I NEVER tell people my PREVIOUS PAY. I had received PAY INCREASE from my new job more than 50% of my PREVIOUS PAY before.

Dreamer

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Added on September 9, 2010, 10:25 amlazyserv,

<<if u previous company paying u 1k and u asking for 2k.. is the company stupid enough to hired someone who ask increment for 50%? >>

1) If the JOB pay $2K per month, why should YOU settle for LESS??

2) Why should you tell people about your PREVIOUS PAY??

3) 1K to 2K is 100% increase..

4) If you are working 1 level higher and with more responsibility, why NEW JOB cannot get paid a lot more??

It is A STUPID COMPANY that judge how much to pay people based on PREVIOUS PAY as opposed to what the job WORTH to them....

Dreamer



This post has been edited by dreamer101: Sep 9 2010, 10:25 AM

Please find my reply in red

best regards

This post has been edited by lazyserv: Sep 9 2010, 10:37 AM

Dreamer,

Please tone down your usage of words. This forum is suppose to be for discussion and everybody have their own opinion. I am working for a MNC right now and most of the company in Malaysia do require your previous payslip UNLESS you are connected to the people inside the company. I have changed about 4 jobs over the past 10 years and all the company require my payslips. It is a normal practice to me and I have nothing to hide about my salary.

As you know, being human, they are a lot of people out in the market desperate for change of job telling the HR manager how great they are and they are paid so well in the current company, how do the HR verify this? On performance, HR manager may want to call the reference and as for pay, how do they benchmark? Agree that some company will give you a lower amount based on your previous pay but remember it is not all. If you are agressive to the HR dept by telling them what is the budgeted salary for this job, what is the first impression towards the HR manager? Remember, you are not the only one applying for the job. They are list of people interested.

My current job give me almost 70% increase in salary from my previous job. That was like 4years ago and I do provide them with payslip. In conclusion, I certainly find there is no problem providing my payslip during the interview or job application.

Regards,
yeowa

This post has been edited by yeowa: Sep 9 2010, 10:56 AM

Why can't a person ask for 100% increase ? If a person took part time courses to upgrade skills , does it justify to get a mere increase?
Well if the candidate is worth so much and you cannot afford than why do you need to continue with the interview process??? If you don't trust them , the problem is "YOU" . No matter how many people you employ and they leave, It's the BOSS problem. I have seen many employess left the company not because of their attitude. It 's the BOSS and matter of time , their company is BRAIN DRAIN.

Can i ask you back, will you guaranteed the job first with 30 % increase from the asking pay if you want to see the pay slip. Dare to take the challenge??? Im sure many candidate don't mind showing their pay slip but this is part of the negotiation skill . I will hire candidate that have this mind set as i see him professional and know how to earn money for my company.

I can tell u can't be a good boss.

This post has been edited by hackwire: Sep 9 2010, 10:57 AM

Do not forget that interview goes both way.
If either 1 party is not happy with another party's request, then any1 can call off the interview.
Now most(I'm not sure though) of the ppl here are working ppls, so obviously they will feel defensive.

But if it were me that was asked, I would also not provide my payslip.
If you don't trust me, or don't believe I was worth what I'm asking for then don't hire me.

Well said lazyserv. Some of the people here are already a boss. And I am working towards that too and will want to practice the same.

First things first. Everyone has a price. You have a price tag and I have one too. Let me ask you, would you work for free? If so, care to wash my car this weekend? Do you know what is deemed PRIVATE & CONFIDENTIAL? If such notion were not able being understood by you, why do I want to hire you? You do not know how to keep your bloody mouth shut when matters are viewed as private and confidential? Goodness gracious...I'm making bloody sure I won't be sharing my meals with you.

Always remember, salary is a judgment of value. How much is your value? It differs from one individual to another, right? I have experience in Human Resource Management and I received tonnes of employment documents during my tenure in HRM. One thing I would like to share here is, when you divulge your salary history, you put yourself in a corner that's very difficult to negotiate your way out of.

Once you have divulge your salary history, you give up your negotiating leverage. Would you want to lose your leverage? If the HRM personnel wants to verify if you have worked in the stated work place previously, by all means, make a courtesy call. It would be very much appreciated. It requires that you be polite and firm.

Always know how and when to draw a line for your self. Even if you were being pressured.

Regards, Joey

This post has been edited by Joey Christensen: Sep 9 2010, 11:01 AM

i think u misunderstood that lazyserv was not the one said in the Quote, its dreamer101.

Yes.
Leverage is the key word here.
If u got no leverage, u got nothing to negotiate ur value.

Well Said... That's what im saying . It's not the matter of trust, honest, lie ...It's matter of principle, negotiation skill and respect.
The value and worth at present is what differentiate the candidate from the rest. Imagine sometimes good candidates invested heavily on their appearance and apparels , the gym workout invested, the mental preps etc to reach the higher status from the rest??? If the Bosses and HR just want to look for any Tom , d*** , harry than continue with this goal plan asking people the salary slip. be there and don't grow out .

Dear hackwire,
Sure you can get 100% increase if your previous paid salary is below RM1k. But do you think it is possible to get 100% even you took a part time course but with no experience? I doubt so. I agree with what Vengeance have to say below.

Dear Vengeance, you are right about this.

I am confuse on the first paragraph. Are you saying that my payslip is P&C and not suppose to show to my prospective employer? Sorry ya...

I kinda agree with your 2nd and 3rd para though. But I thought we are required to fill in our past employment salary on the interview form?

I am agreeing on lazyserv reply in red.

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Added on September 9, 2010, 11:14 amBut there are so many candidates interviewing for the same position. What is your chance of success if other candidates provide and you refuse to provide? Some point to ponder.

This post has been edited by yeowa: Sep 9 2010, 11:17 AM

my personal experience; I will comply and provide the pay slip upon request, I have nothing to hide. At the same time, I will still put the amount of salary of my choice on the application form, regardless whether it's 10% increase or 100% increase (of course must be reasonable, you must know your own worth).

To my understanding that is what "expected salary" means, I get what I expect to be a satisfied employee. Providing previous payslip without hesitation and demanding a high salary just shows one thing about me; that with the skills I have, I know I am underpaid as shown on my payslip and I am confident my real worth is as mentioned by my expected salary.

When a job is offered, the ball is in my court, if I am not satisfied with the salary offered, I re-negotiate, but the if I am not satisfied with the final offer, I reject. I will not go into a new job being not fully satisfied with the salary or any other aspects of the employment package. That will not be good for my relationship with the new employer.