It's disheartening to see HR still practice this and not calibre in finding the right candidate thus wasting everybody time. Requesting for pay slip is one thing but than they didn't promise anything at all to the candidate even after revealing your pay slip.

But one should not show your pay slip . When the manager or HR ask for it during the interview ,try to interrogate them further.

1) why you need to see the pay slip?
2) So, you have doubt that i reveal a fake previous salary?
3) Than in the first place y u calling me for interview ?
4) Do you call me for interview because I have the skill for this vacancy ?

Once you have detect something fishy or fiction about their conduct, i mean do you still want to work for them???

Why so secret about your current salary? Is there anything to hide or you are overdeclaring your current salary? To me, I don't think it is a big issue if HR dept is requesting for my latest payslip.

To my understanding, latest payslip is needed to verify if the information provided to them are correct. Without payslip verification, a lot of people can just lie on high salary and can just claim themselves working for BIG COMPANY!

if so.. then y u reveal ur resume? is also "P&C" wat....

some company just wanna play save.. if u previous company paying u 1k and u asking for 2k.. is the company stupid enough to hired someone who ask increment for 50%?

for my understanding max increment they can accept is 30% if more.. then u can go home fly kite also

one word will describe them... they just KIASU and KIASI

if u didnt ask for ridiculous increment and ur previous salary u stated in ur CV is true.. why not just show them?

they wont go n scan and post at lowyat       

Please find my reply in red

best regards

Dreamer,

Please tone down your usage of words. This forum is suppose to be for discussion and everybody have their own opinion. I am working for a MNC right now and most of the company in Malaysia do require your previous payslip UNLESS you are connected to the people inside the company. I have changed about 4 jobs over the past 10 years and all the company require my payslips. It is a normal practice to me and I have nothing to hide about my salary.

As you know, being human, they are a lot of people out in the market desperate for change of job telling the HR manager how great they are and they are paid so well in the current company, how do the HR verify this? On performance, HR manager may want to call the reference and as for pay, how do they benchmark? Agree that some company will give you a lower amount based on your previous pay but remember it is not all. If you are agressive to the HR dept by telling them what is the budgeted salary for this job, what is the first impression towards the HR manager? Remember, you are not the only one applying for the job. They are list of people interested.

My current job give me almost 70% increase in salary from my previous job. That was like 4years ago and I do provide them with payslip. In conclusion, I certainly find there is no problem providing my payslip during the interview or job application.

Regards,
yeowa

my personal experience; I will comply and provide the pay slip upon request, I have nothing to hide. At the same time, I will still put the amount of salary of my choice on the application form, regardless whether it's 10% increase or 100% increase (of course must be reasonable, you must know your own worth).

To my understanding that is what "expected salary" means, I get what I expect to be a satisfied employee. Providing previous payslip without hesitation and demanding a high salary just shows one thing about me; that with the skills I have, I know I am underpaid as shown on my payslip and I am confident my real worth is as mentioned by my expected salary.

When a job is offered, the ball is in my court, if I am not satisfied with the salary offered, I re-negotiate, but the if I am not satisfied with the final offer, I reject. I will not go into a new job being not fully satisfied with the salary or any other aspects of the employment package. That will not be good for my relationship with the new employer.

At the end of the day, it boils down to how badly you want the job.

If you want the job, you will do what they ask of you.

If you want to hold back information to negotiate and what not, then you take the risk of being rejected because other candidate may accommodate their request.

In cases like this, like Yeowa says, "What is your chance of success if other candidates provide and you refuse to provide?"

You can complain about your "rights" and "P&C info" and "fairness" but the fact is it simply boils down to how badly you want the job.  All is fair in this game.  As much as you want to keep your leverage, they want to hold on to their's too.

I am curious what industry is ur co. It is very different from my experience. Well we all learn.

No hardfeeling, i feel dreamer and hackwire are very proud and arrogant.

@dreamer
I'm more interested on HOW did you deal directly with the hiring manager instead of HR. Because I would assume it is the HR that calls / interviews you. Another point is that how do you even know whois the hiring manager?
(Pardon me on this issue as I'm still quite fresh in the working world and want to know more on this "advantage")

Typically, you are asked for latest 2 months' salary payslip. This serves the following purposes:

1. Cost
- Companies always use your last drawn salary as a base when making an offer. Other factors considered will include industry benchmark (typically obtained from a few major consulting companies such as Towers Watson), internal equity (salary paid among existing employees), the job itself and the responsibilities that comes with it (e.g. if you are an Assistant Manager, and the company offers Manager position, obviously the additional accountability and responsibility will justify a higher premium).

- Based on the point above, the HR Dept need to ensure that you are telling the truth, and not inflating your last earned salary in order to give youself a big salary jump. I know it may seem unfair, but it's the truth, and I am sure if you own a company, you would do the same.

2. Verification
- Salary slip verifies that you actually work with the company until your last working date as you state in your employment application form.
- Why is this important? So we can spot if anything is wrong. A candidate may leave because he/she was asked to go, could be due to some negative things at work, and he/she could not find job for 3 months. To make things look good, he/she entered last working day as end August 2010, when he/she actually left in April 2010. When the candidate could not produce the payslip as what he/she wrote in the form, an alert HR person will be suspicious and would verify/check further. This is just an example so you get the idea....I know background checks can be done, but this is an area that can trigger the HR, informing us that soemthing is not right here....

My opinion is this: when HR asks for such document, you have no choice. Objecting means "you are being difficult", which is not to your advantage being branded as such even before you join the company, or even offered the job yet.

What can you do to preserve whatever advantage you have left in salary negotiations? Never ever indicate your expected salary. Focus on "wow-ing" the interviewers until they would fight to hire you. Let them quote you a figure, take some time to decide and come back with a higher one (make sure you have enough salary data, since companies have limited resources, i.e. if u insist on 50% increment when the company only offers 20%, there is no way they will meet your demands, unless you are an absolute expert and your skills/knowledge are not easy to source in the market).

Having said the above, salary is not the only consideration when deciding on an employment offer.....

Hope the above helps.

Dear dreamer, u r speaking for the IT & comm industry where skills are unique depending on individuals. It is different from FBCG and other
services industries. Wait till when recession hit and you need to apply job in other sector. No matter how senior you are, your arrogance is killing yourselves. And I hope I don't receive your CV in my company as I will put your CV aside for not fufilling my company's requirement. LOL... Just kidding...
I am out from this topic. Pointless argument with those who are as hard as a rock.

From my experience, I put my expected salary as non-negotiable. Most people say their salary is negotiable and that's exactly what the HR ppl try to do. I do give my payslip when requested but am still firm on the figure I want. So if I earn 10k, and want 13k I still won't accept 12.5k. I don't try to ask for 15k, hoping to get 13k (or even 15k). Happened to me once, and I said no. Company crawl back later and said will give me what I want, but told them I got another offer already, so expected salary is now revised upwards. I was prepared to lose the offer already, but didn't really care since they were trying to play hardball with me.

If we work on saturdays, should we be compensated with a higher amount as well? So assuming we work 20 days per month, and there are 4 saturdays, should they pay us (24/20 * market rate salary)? Assuming as well this is a fresh graduate position so there are no adjustments for experience.

If we work on saturdays, should we be compensated with a higher amount as well? So assuming we work 20 days per month, and there are 4 saturdays, should they pay us (24/20 * market rate salary)? Assuming as well this is a fresh graduate position so there are no adjustments for experience.

Nice piece of advise, real good one. Too bad that is not the kind of advise I'm seeking for. Can u see the question first?
Let me specify it once more, I'm just asking according to any sort of labour law out there that states that we should be getting more or any adjustments being made if we work on saturdays... =,=
The answer can be:
(a) Yes - If yes, how is it done
(b) No - means you just have to live with it

To be more specific again, it's a full-time job with a MNC. Not part-time.

*Sorry to offend u dreamer101, ur advise is one hell of an advise, but sometimes when people wants a digital camera, they don't really want a DSLR (maybe because they can't afford it or it's just not what they want. And sorry again if I posted this in the wrong section, please forgive this newbie here*

Candidate's who don't give salary slip has to be way better than those who are willing to give past salary slip. It is a sad case of, if you don't give, got other waterfish willing to give.

Oh, so I assume that lowyat forum is a professional setting. Amusing. Good then.

My question is and will be, in the event a person(male/female) is about to accept a job(white collar) offer whereby the he/she is required to work on Saturdays, SHOULD/MUST there be any adjustments being made to his/her salary. Other benefits/perks are irrelevant as my question only pertains to the SALARY and only the SALARY only. SHOULD would refer to the willingness and ethics of the company that is paying the salary, while MUST refers to the law that requires company to actually make adjustments.

Pay Level is for fresh graduate who has little experience in field (<1 year experience) within the range of (RM2,500-RM3,000)

P.S. Any discrepancy in definitions here may not be accurate.

Your great need for clarification certainly astounds me. The job requires us to work on Saturdays as regular working days, and I'm asking whether there would be adjustment because I was required to give an expected salary range. So if I THINK I would be properly priced at RM2,500, can I make an offer of adjustment at (24/20 * 2,500) = RM3,000? as I'm not sure what is the market value of this position.

ok! Got it boss!

This is a super duper huge MNC, So I would assume that the salary would be high... But they require you to write it on paper first, so does that mean I have LOST even without knowing it?

Offer has been made. I need some advise before going head to head and negotiate.

Hmmm... There must be some way I can still negotiate... =(
Well, I'll just be frank with them then. I put an averagely low price because I'm afraid that I'll overprice. Oh well, hopefully I can still negotiate(being naive and optimistic).
Charge! If a pillow fight it takes, I will still fight till the end!

yes, lazyserv... I'm still young with little experience. I'm only demanding for what I THINK I'm worth. Obviously I would think big big MNC has the capacity to pay us slightly higher, but not big big money. All I'm asking for is for the corp to pay me accordingly, and yea money is not the focus, but it is an important criteria. What I'm earning is not for myself also, but for the well-being of my family.

Ahhh... Dreamer... u're right, I lost the war without even knowing it... =( Hope to negotiate again this friday, to try to at least get an extra 200. =(

Some people think that dreamer is only BSing. But after applying the negotiation skill myself, I trust his judgment.

The company have their own salary range for any advertised job. The most important point for you to do is to get that range. Most of the time, the hiring manager will blurt it out if you asked.

I believe that for you, trust is better than gratitude, right?

If you have nothing to hide, is ok to give them your pay slip. Unless you lied about your previous salary?

it's happening dreamer101. people this days don't say sorry, don't say thank you , don't say please and even if they do say it, it doesn't come from the heart and ended with "I really Appreciate what you did for me".

even children are like that . i noticed they don't mean most of the words they said. There's a thin line between "real" and "fake" . It's like in limbo state. saying for the sake of saying because it's a language they learn in the text.

Something is wrong somewhere in our society. Sometimes i do realized that i also did the same shit when i left someone home saying Good bye to the host but forget the background dancer... we all need to reprogram our subconcious state of mind again...

So if the interviewer asking and request me for my currently company payslips, and i don't want to reveal it, what is the best replies and response you would answer to reject him ?

I recently had the chance to try out dreamer101's standpoint on not divulging current pay. To be honest, his methods have some truth to it. I tried and was surprised that it works.

Granted that I did divulge a vague range of my current salary at the very end of negotiation process, but still by holding out on this information until the end, I manage to land a job with almost  60% increase from my current pay. The best part is, I feel good about it, I feel like i was respected more, because the HR hardly push for my payslip once i took a stand, the hiring manager have some leverage to press for my hiring. It was a win-win situation, it felt like I wasn't begging for a job, and the company got it's candidate by showing some trust and respect, hiring me because of experience and not because of how cheap i was before...