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UnnAmeD_R
post Sep 9 2010, 11:17 AM

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my personal experience; I will comply and provide the pay slip upon request, I have nothing to hide. At the same time, I will still put the amount of salary of my choice on the application form, regardless whether it's 10% increase or 100% increase (of course must be reasonable, you must know your own worth).

To my understanding that is what "expected salary" means, I get what I expect to be a satisfied employee. Providing previous payslip without hesitation and demanding a high salary just shows one thing about me; that with the skills I have, I know I am underpaid as shown on my payslip and I am confident my real worth is as mentioned by my expected salary.

When a job is offered, the ball is in my court, if I am not satisfied with the salary offered, I re-negotiate, but the if I am not satisfied with the final offer, I reject. I will not go into a new job being not fully satisfied with the salary or any other aspects of the employment package. That will not be good for my relationship with the new employer.
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post Sep 9 2010, 12:07 PM

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QUOTE(hackwire @ Sep 9 2010, 11:36 AM)
As a manager if someone comply and show their salary slip so easily than i will have second thought about that . one day if the supplier or dealer will not trust the quoted price and ask him/her  to provide the prove, i assume he/she will  do it out of desperation for sales or reward without my knowledge.

Some of you think that it's ok to show your honesty through this way and sent the message out that i have nothing to hide. But, the company who hires you in the first place do not trust you and doubted your integrity already... if there's no trust , there's a long way for you to go with them with more nonsensical issue next time.

they will even think that you purposely doing something behind their back or they even question your freedom of expression. You will have all sort of explanation and task to perform if they don't freely or easily trust you.

like i said, they should have ask themselves first the reason they need to hire to fill the job . If the person is in sales, they might be interested of his previous clientele than his 50-100% increase of pay.
They need to weigh the outcome of it also.


Added on September 9, 2010, 11:43 am

cool... im  a boss , an employee and investor. there's no such thing as u boss and im employee in this fast world.  winning people heart and mind is a silk road to achieve, u need to earn that by paying what is needed. If you don't have the skill to find the right candidate, have you heard of Consultants and Recruitment Agency? You can pay them fees to get the right worker but did you ?? asking someone pay is very orthodox way to hire someone . if u don't know, Apple also hires people from different background to work with them as they feel that they need creative juice from other areas to tell them what is not.
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the terms P&C of a salary slip is the individual discretion, supplier/dealer price is never the individual's discretion, that is totally company's P&C matter. If I show my payslip and the company still hires me, does that mean that they still do not trust and doubt my integrity? When I show my payslip upon their request and that offends the company, they can always rescind the job offer. Nobody force them to hire me, nobody force me to accept their job offer.

When you apply for bank loan/credit card, they usually ask for a copy of payslip. Of course, it's P&C, but at the individual's discretion. It's not a matter of trust, it's just standard procedure. It's outrageous to judge someone just because he/she followed procedure and provide a copy of the payslip.

Knowing what P&C stands for and what it's coverage, limitation and true meaning are two different things

This post has been edited by UnnAmeD_R: Sep 9 2010, 12:16 PM
UnnAmeD_R
post Sep 9 2010, 05:39 PM

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Sep 9 2010, 02:17 PM)




Added on September 9, 2010, 2:31 pm

UnnAmeD_R,

<<At the same time, I will still put the amount of salary of my choice on the application form,>>

In expected salary, I put "Negotiable".  Plus, I do not put in my previous salary..

You know what you want... But, how do you know HOW MUCH they need you???  You don't...

In a negotiation, whoever put out the first number, loses...

I would not even negotiate or talk about salary with Hiring Manager until they tell me the salary range...

<<When a job is offered, the ball is in my court, if I am not satisfied with the salary offered, I re-negotiate, >>

You CANNOT.  In many MNC, they have a rule on how much increment that they can give you based on YOUR PREVIOUS SALARY.  So, as soon as you give out YOUR PREVIOUS SALARY, the Hiring Manager cannot make you a better offer even if he / she wants to.  The HR folks will and can stop that...

But, if you do not give out YOUR PREVIOUS SALARY, the Hiring Manager can make you a better offer...

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Hmm...true... but I never give out the salary info until the HR makes the job offer and request payslip as to come out with the salary package. I never will volunteer and will hold out until last moment possible. Not sure why I never tried to say NO when HR ask for payslip, but seems things like this don't offend me. But I never do it just because I am worried that they will not offer me the job. I go in with the confidence that I am worth what I am asking for, and always seem to get what I ask for even though it's higher by industry standard (to my knowledge of course).

But I'm open to this, I will try out this idea of withholding salary info on my next job hunt. Who knows, this method may gain extra leverage. No harm trying it, right?


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post Oct 8 2010, 10:44 AM

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I recently had the chance to try out dreamer101's standpoint on not divulging current pay. To be honest, his methods have some truth to it. I tried and was surprised that it works.

Granted that I did divulge a vague range of my current salary at the very end of negotiation process, but still by holding out on this information until the end, I manage to land a job with almost 60% increase from my current pay. The best part is, I feel good about it, I feel like i was respected more, because the HR hardly push for my payslip once i took a stand, the hiring manager have some leverage to press for my hiring. It was a win-win situation, it felt like I wasn't begging for a job, and the company got it's candidate by showing some trust and respect, hiring me because of experience and not because of how cheap i was before...
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post Oct 8 2010, 08:13 PM

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Oct 8 2010, 07:08 PM)
UnnAmeD_R,

So, where is a thanks from you on helping you to make more money??

Dreamer
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A well deserved thank you is in order then. Thank you, Dreamer!

 

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