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lazyserv
post Sep 9 2010, 10:16 AM

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QUOTE(eggyolk @ Sep 9 2010, 01:16 AM)
Well said hackwire! Its definitely not normal practice to give your payslip to them.
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if so.. then y u reveal ur resume? is also "P&C" wat....

some company just wanna play save.. if u previous company paying u 1k and u asking for 2k.. is the company stupid enough to hired someone who ask increment for 50%?

for my understanding max increment they can accept is 30% if more.. then u can go home fly kite also

one word will describe them... they just KIASU and KIASI smile.gif

if u didnt ask for ridiculous increment and ur previous salary u stated in ur CV is true.. why not just show them?

they wont go n scan and post at lowyat cool.gif cool.gif whistling.gif whistling.gif
lazyserv
post Sep 9 2010, 10:35 AM

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Please find my reply in red

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Sep 9 2010, 10:21 AM)
lazyserv,

<<if u previous company paying u 1k and u asking for 2k.. is the company stupid enough to hired someone who ask increment for 50%? >>

1) If the JOB pay $2K per month, why should YOU settle for LESS?? [turn this point when u is a boss... will u hired someone who have a 1k salary and he is asking for 2k?]

2) Why should you tell people about your PREVIOUS PAY?? [i only reveal my payslip to the hiring company, that also upon on request, else i wont bring my payslip to interview, btw i dont photostat or bring this topic to table when chatting with my fren]

3) 1K to 2K is 100% increase.. [sorry my bad tongue.gif]

4) If you are working 1 level higher and with more responsibility, why NEW JOB cannot get paid a lot more?? [yes u can received higher pay but is not like a few k turn over even u is a boss i believe u wont hired someone who asking a few k increment for turn over]

It is A STUPID COMPANY that judge how much to pay people based on PREVIOUS PAY as opposed to what the job WORTH to them.... [they dont judge how much to pay, they just justify your asking increment is reasonable or not and justify your previous salary as u state in CV]

Dreamer
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This post has been edited by lazyserv: Sep 9 2010, 10:37 AM
lazyserv
post Sep 9 2010, 11:33 AM

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QUOTE(hackwire @ Sep 9 2010, 10:56 AM)
Why can't a person ask for 100% increase ? If a person took part time courses to upgrade skills , does it justify to get a mere increase?
Well if the candidate is worth so much and you cannot afford than why do you need to continue with the interview process??? If you don't trust them , the problem is "YOU" . No matter how many people you employ and they leave, It's the BOSS problem. I have seen many employess left the company not because of their attitude. It 's the BOSS and matter of time , their company is BRAIN DRAIN.

Can i ask you back, will you guaranteed the job first with 30 % increase from the asking pay if you want to see the pay slip. Dare to take the challenge???  Im sure many candidate don't mind showing their pay slip but this is part of the negotiation skill . I will hire candidate that have this mind set as i see him professional and know how to earn money for my company.

I can tell u can't be a good boss.
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yes i may not be a good boss, but do u think that many company got different rules? if i wanna hired someone who asking 100% turn over i will ask him/her show me that u worth that value.. else no matter how good is ur negotiable or charisma skill it still wont effect my decision, if u have the mind set but u never know how to do it.. what is the purpose i hired someone who know how to talk and perform well in interview but once i hired him/her works like shi*t?

once the day u're a boss and if a MNC company u have to remember that u got share holder to report to.. is not like u wanna hired n use company resource like ur company... every penny u spend also must have to benefit the company.

at the end of the day.. both party got their own reason.. there is no right or wrong...
lazyserv
post Sep 9 2010, 12:17 PM

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QUOTE(hackwire @ Sep 9 2010, 11:36 AM)
As a manager if someone comply and show their salary slip so easily than i will have second thought about that . one day if the supplier or dealer will not trust the quoted price and ask him/her  to provide the prove, i assume he/she will  do it out of desperation for sales or reward without my knowledge.

Some of you think that it's ok to show your honesty through this way and sent the message out that i have nothing to hide. But, the company who hires you in the first place do not trust you and doubted your integrity already... if there's no trust , there's a long way for you to go with them with more nonsensical issue next time.

they will even think that you purposely doing something behind their back or they even question your freedom of expression. You will have all sort of explanation and task to perform if they don't freely or easily trust you.

like i said, they should have ask themselves first the reason they need to hire to fill the job . If the person is in sales, they might be interested of his previous clientele than his 50-100% increase of pay.
They need to weigh the outcome of it also.


Added on September 9, 2010, 11:43 am

cool... im  a boss , an employee and investor. there's no such thing as u boss and im employee in this fast world.  winning people heart and mind is a silk road to achieve, u need to earn that by paying what is needed. If you don't have the skill to find the right candidate, have you heard of Consultants and Recruitment Agency? You can pay them fees to get the right worker but did you ?? asking someone pay is very orthodox way to hire someone . if u don't know, Apple also hires people from different background to work with them as they feel that they need creative juice from other areas to tell them what is not.
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yes good u are a boss but doesnt mean all the company boss is like u... different company different management.. maybe that is the way u manage ur company and hiring but doesnt mean out there other management need to follow or is the same as ur management and hiring way. i myself work as a recruiter and personally dealing with various type of client

some of my client need payslip and some of them no need.. there is no right or wrong in this matter

if u reject to reveal ur payslip they got their choice not to hired u.. sometimes i even convince my client about this sensitive issue but they just throw one word to me.. this is their company procedure.. then what should i do? in other hand i still need to pursude my candidate regarding this issue...

if he dowan to reveal and the company dowan to make a step backward an the end the day my client just will ask i source another candidate for them but the candidate? go mamak n makan roti kosong la.. apa lagi.. since he dowan to cooperate with their procedure..

he got the right not to reveal but if he desperate or whole family expenses rely on him do he have to care so much of the P&C and make whole family eat sand with him and the end?

i can say u are not a choosy boss and ur benefit all gave to ur subordinate or staff but doesnt mean other will do it the same way with u
lazyserv
post Sep 9 2010, 01:49 PM

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QUOTE(yeowa @ Sep 9 2010, 01:14 PM)
U r a good and dominant boss... Good luck in managing ur company... smile.gif
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yes

all the best to you hackwire smile.gif
lazyserv
post Sep 13 2010, 01:34 PM

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sorry to interrupt.. been away few days since raya smile.gif

well dreamer and hackwire u both got your point.. but in my hand.. if my client wan the candidate payslip.. i need to proceed accordingly

if my candidate refuse to show.. i can only advise and pursude.. if fail then there is nothing i can do..

sometimes now we or the HR wan.. is the boss or the hiring manager want..

is kinda headache especially as headhunter.. well i dont know how's other headhunter outside work as but for my part is hard

first coz im new in this field second is i MUST take care both party.. cannot decline clients request yet must try my best to help my candidate sad.gif
lazyserv
post Sep 13 2010, 02:28 PM

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QUOTE(gloomberg @ Sep 13 2010, 02:20 PM)
I'm not focusing on the pay... I just want to be paid accordingly... =)
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if ur current salary is 2k and the new company offer u 1k will u accept? no right?

so not u didnt focus on the pay just ur concern on the pay wasn't ur main issue..

i assume that as long the working environment is good, colleague is nice, pay is on date and salary is slight higher above ur current salary u will be grateful right?

sorry if i get u wrong tongue.gif

hackwire: what u say is true.. but not to be racist but i can see that the salary gab from different races

same education, slightly different abit of working experience duration but the salary will go different around 30 to 30% between (chinese, malay and indian) races

i guess chinese nowadays got high demanding on salary? tongue.gif
lazyserv
post Sep 13 2010, 02:47 PM

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well u can try to absorb as many experience in ur current company, when u feel u learn enough and is time for u to go to the next level, apply for other position

that time u can speak louder and aggressive, coz u got experience in hand and paper qualification to stick on thr HM head smile.gif

anyway good luck to u n wish u best of luck in ur future smile.gif
lazyserv
post Sep 15 2010, 10:55 AM

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QUOTE(orangefish @ Sep 14 2010, 07:08 PM)
after i read so many post here..i found this post..
lol...i think you don't know what is a resume.. whistling.gif
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will u give ur resume to someone u dont know?

if yes please post ur resume in lowyat

thank u

This post has been edited by lazyserv: Sep 15 2010, 10:56 AM

 

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