Actually this kind of company asking for payslip have no principle and no good. Reason is because they are hiring someone base on money and not the skill u have.

if you believe in your skill and they have to pay according to your skill.

most HR are dumb ass , even if a top Fortune company they are just one of the Dumb ass . Dreamworks or Pixar don't do that if you ever read some of the staff commented on their interview with the CEO.

Requesting a Salary Slip means that this company has the word " DOUBT" on their forehead and if you ever work for them, every single thing you do will be under scrutinize and even surveillance . Do you want to work with colleague who play SPY Games or GUESSING game?

In order to counter such offensive question , one should raise the bar like POKER game. If they insist for Salary Slip than you are revealing your ACE CARD . ACE Card came with a cost , tell them this. An extra RM 300 and a Guaranteed of Job if you produce them the Salary SLip.

If they can't make the decision to hire you , ask them to Fly Kite and they are wasting your time.

It's disheartening to see HR still practice this and not calibre in finding the right candidate thus wasting everybody time. Requesting for pay slip is one thing but than they didn't promise anything at all to the candidate even after revealing your pay slip.

But one should not show your pay slip . When the manager or HR ask for it during the interview ,try to interrogate them further.

1) why you need to see the pay slip?
2) So, you have doubt that i reveal a fake previous salary?
3) Than in the first place y u calling me for interview ?
4) Do you call me for interview because I have the skill for this vacancy ?

Once you have detect something fishy or fiction about their conduct, i mean do you still want to work for them???

This post has been edited by hackwire: Sep 9 2010, 07:47 AM

its not the matter of truthful or not. In the first place, asking previous salary got nothing to do with the present career. One can have RM 5K previously but due to economy downfall, we adjusted below the previous salary.

One cannot judge the person honesty by the application form.

Yo, not current salary but previous salary. . YOu don't bracket people into hiding or secretive. It's a different issue you are trying to tie everything in. It's the question of how much budget they already allocated to hire someone and they had called the candidate up after they had seen his resume and they like his credentials and experience.

Requesting someone previous pay slip is to authenticate someone honesty ? There are so many ways to do it? Leave RM 50 on the table and see if he keep it ? Do u need me to tell u way of testing honesty? If the employer are the one that handles big account of money or person security than they can vet the candidate through certain sources . They could use extra money to vet the candidate. If the job is to work in armor truck carrying cash everyday than they might want to vet the background of the person.

If they want the pay slip, we can even ask them to show prove that they have conducted a good paycheck, promotion and bonus thru file and papers too.

This post has been edited by hackwire: Sep 9 2010, 10:08 AM

Why can't a person ask for 100% increase ? If a person took part time courses to upgrade skills , does it justify to get a mere increase?
Well if the candidate is worth so much and you cannot afford than why do you need to continue with the interview process??? If you don't trust them , the problem is "YOU" . No matter how many people you employ and they leave, It's the BOSS problem. I have seen many employess left the company not because of their attitude. It 's the BOSS and matter of time , their company is BRAIN DRAIN.

Can i ask you back, will you guaranteed the job first with 30 % increase from the asking pay if you want to see the pay slip. Dare to take the challenge??? Im sure many candidate don't mind showing their pay slip but this is part of the negotiation skill . I will hire candidate that have this mind set as i see him professional and know how to earn money for my company.

I can tell u can't be a good boss.

This post has been edited by hackwire: Sep 9 2010, 10:57 AM

i think u misunderstood that lazyserv was not the one said in the Quote, its dreamer101.

Well Said... That's what im saying . It's not the matter of trust, honest, lie ...It's matter of principle, negotiation skill and respect.
The value and worth at present is what differentiate the candidate from the rest. Imagine sometimes good candidates invested heavily on their appearance and apparels , the gym workout invested, the mental preps etc to reach the higher status from the rest??? If the Bosses and HR just want to look for any Tom , d*** , harry than continue with this goal plan asking people the salary slip. be there and don't grow out .

As a manager if someone comply and show their salary slip so easily than i will have second thought about that . one day if the supplier or dealer will not trust the quoted price and ask him/her to provide the prove, i assume he/she will do it out of desperation for sales or reward without my knowledge.

Some of you think that it's ok to show your honesty through this way and sent the message out that i have nothing to hide. But, the company who hires you in the first place do not trust you and doubted your integrity already... if there's no trust , there's a long way for you to go with them with more nonsensical issue next time.

they will even think that you purposely doing something behind their back or they even question your freedom of expression. You will have all sort of explanation and task to perform if they don't freely or easily trust you.

like i said, they should have ask themselves first the reason they need to hire to fill the job . If the person is in sales, they might be interested of his previous clientele than his 50-100% increase of pay.
They need to weigh the outcome of it also.

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Added on September 9, 2010, 11:43 amcool... im a boss , an employee and investor. there's no such thing as u boss and im employee in this fast world. winning people heart and mind is a silk road to achieve, u need to earn that by paying what is needed. If you don't have the skill to find the right candidate, have you heard of Consultants and Recruitment Agency? You can pay them fees to get the right worker but did you ?? asking someone pay is very orthodox way to hire someone . if u don't know, Apple also hires people from different background to work with them as they feel that they need creative juice from other areas to tell them what is not.



This post has been edited by hackwire: Sep 9 2010, 11:43 AM

It's a personal preference after all but on the hollistic approach. A pro recruiter will divulge into this questionaire rather than "Can you show us your payslip"

here are the list which HR could use to further enhance the right candidate to hire which i think more important than knowing someone previous pay. Like i said " It's so Orthodox"

Why is this list important?


To do a great job selling yourself, a resume needs to convince readers that you have the skills needed for their job and the abilities to do it successfully. By highlighting accomplishments using action verbs, you create a proven track record to eliminate all doubt.

You successfully…

Managed company/department annual/quarterly budget of X (large) amount
Stayed under budget for X quarters/years
Were promoted
Were promoted after only X months in the role
Directed a team/group/organization (something difficult to manage)
Managed a project spanning X countries/continents/employees
Placed employees at X companies
Trained X new employees
Built a new team/division (not just hiring, also managing the workflow) for the company
Redesigned and implemented more effective company procedures which e.g. decreased time-to-market by X amount/%
Met deadlines consistently
Reined in rollercoaster project X
Supervised large/complex project in attaining goal X
Grew customer base by X amount/%
Grew donor base by X amount/%
Multiplied donations by X amount/%
Cut costs by X amount/% within Y amount of time
Launched X new websites/products/campaigns
Increased portfolio earnings by X amount/%
Integrated an extremely complex system for the company
United multiple teams post-merger
Finished sales quota X amount of time early
Reduced client/reader attrition by X amount/%
Met X national/global/industry standard within Y amount of time
Streamlined team/department operations
Improved ties with country/industry association/union
Boosted earnings by X amount/%
Implemented a service level agreement
Won X number of cases (for a lawyer)
Published X articles/white papers/reports/books
Received X award/designation
Won X award/competition for Y consecutive years
Attained X certification
Finished in the top X percentile of your class/course
Reached X objective(s) every quarter for Y quarters in a row
Reached X objective(s) faster than competitor (internal/external)
Discovered X new drugs/species/trends
Coined well-known buzzword or industry term
Created X program/course/methodology
Founded X company/non-profit/association/club
Solved X disputes (for a negotiator)
Resolved X internal conflicts
Hold world/Olympic record
Climbed X number of mountains
Coached X teams to trophy/championship/1st place in league
Received score of X (high) on known customer satisfaction survey/poll
Received score of X (high) on standardized testing/exam
First person to achieve X (or led first team to achieve X) internally/externally
Something you created won an award/was a bestseller/fan favorite
Voted best/most something by association/club/group
Featured in website/magazine/newspaper/book
Held a perfect attendance record
Introduced company products to X new markets
Audited X number of clients in only Y amount of time
Piloted X program with a Y % participant completion rate
Advanced (non-profit) organization policy
Fixed X amount / % of bugs in company software/open-source project
Presented at well-known conference/seminar/workshop
Did something that was viewed/used by many people
Achieved/Surpassed company/team goal of doing X by Y amount / %
Notes
Be prepared to explain how you achieved your results, how an award was decided, etc. For example, numbers in particular give more credibility to your statements but only use them if you can explain how they were measured.

Using these ideas should help you avoid making ambiguous statements where trust is required but not easily acquired like in a job interview.



Read more at: http://jobmob.co.il/blog/resume-achievemen.../#ixzz0z0J9EU7m

This post has been edited by hackwire: Sep 9 2010, 12:53 PM

Previous Salary Slip is not equivalent to Job Skill. If the person does not perform as promise and work like shit, they have to be answerable for it. So it's not the matter of honest or lie? You still the one holding the AXE not him.

that's right dreamer... one thing about giving out such info just because others will have better chances is just pure ASSUMPTION.

If i believe im good at that value, i deserve that salary. If they can't afford than just choose other company to work. I don't need to hire those who are so easily "Yes" person. I prefer the nay sayer, a dragon slayer who truthfully say "No".

no hard feeling... im also working for people before and also attended lots of bad interviews. It make one stronger and reject the same people in the same shoe. this is normal but you don't have to believe all what i said , you can read in this link . even someone one across the globe is saying the same thing as dreamer and i said. just read the comment at the end by one of them. all i know is that i know the rich people are much more open and respect people . In the end of the day, it's the staff turnover report they are worry as the money they spent for training and maintain worth nothing if the company principles are wrong . If it's full of bad blood and deception, the company gonna suffer. Only by trusting and care, they know the employee can go very far.

http://jobmob.co.il/blog/signs-of-bad-employers/

we all learn... i learn finding signs like that. i even walkout from three interviewers when they asked why your dad making such decision to change your school... if i c interviewer not stick to the important question, they are just interrogating and intrude privacy like PI, i stopped them harshly. Judging the employer character is not difficult for me now.

This post has been edited by hackwire: Sep 9 2010, 04:01 PM

Average Joe only will give out their pay slip and average joe will only ask for pay slip. Even during depression or no food, average joe will sell even their child for slavery. Dreamer and i have been thru this and we are just telling what personality traits that will bring goodness inside the person . Yeowa, we are not rock but u read so much and i even posted a link and you still don't get the picture. who's the rock.

giving out your salary slip to bank for loan is a requirement but giving out to someone who "DOUBTED" your application ??? Like i said , what job is this??? Is this so important when they like someone and they don't trust what he said???

First, they like the candidate a lot because of his appearance, his communication level , his intelligence, his record experience as stated,
his education background etc... but they cast the spell DOUBT on him ??? I mean, this is BLACK ART. Period.

it's time to learn where the hypocrisy sign of the person character and sometime our blood has it because our examination system turn out to be this way. too bad if some still in the sleep.

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Added on September 10, 2010, 8:37 amDid Donald Trump hire the Apprentice winner in the show by telling them "You Are Hire but show me the previous Salary slip first"?

This post has been edited by hackwire: Sep 10 2010, 08:37 AM

it's not your fault though. many candidates are also desperate of job thus the pattern and the culture is pretty pasteur . Many job seekers left the job without planning. I am one of them too but today i have understood the whole game . Most important is that HR should not be desperate in hiring candidates who are desperate for the job. Both party must breathe normally and not heavily. Candidate must have 6 months salary back up before you quit your job and HR must really look for the right person for the job and pay according to the one that will serve the passenger on the plane while the Pilot can fly the plane smoothly. Paying some one above market rate not going to hurt the company if the company can recover that in other way. Many bosses bought new bungalows, travel overseas, invest into other biz but they really forget the one who make them prosper. As for employee, u need to look at the boss shoe as well and learn the trade which is more important. Working on Saturday or Sunday is not important anymore if you are a Brilliant employee with right attitude. If you can survive working on Public Holiday, Weekend etc than you will be able to run your own business in future. If your mind keep setting on the pay and hour, u will be forever small like a katak in tempurung. The question is CAn you GROW BIGGER than your own enemy.

gloomberg, I just envy you know so much in early stage thru the internet . Last time, my time i can only follow what my heart tells me as we don't have such luxury of the internet. Young guys like you will have a stronger heartbeat and if u are able to slow it down and you will be able to cope with pressure.

at the end of day, the choice is still yours and there are still of hardworking people willing to take away your job. Best to get yourself motivated in Apprentice - donald trump show and you still see some of the Rich and Famous still crack under the pressure. There's no perfect in every time of age or experience. People will breakdown anytime.

good in the job and be different from others will win the race. failing in interview is one thing but how many people actually access their failure by calling the interviewer and find out what makes them to choose other candidate. Try to call them out and ask them more questions that you can't see and you can improve on that weakness. Ask what that candidate have and you don't have? Sometimes, they feel you are too good and their budget go for another guy. It's a good news right? wrong?
figure that out.

first u said give , than u said don't give also can...slippery and average joe. eel like character.

let's not compare with banks. u want money out from bank, so u can't compare this job interview question about payslip with banking procedures. Banks is safekeeping others people money and they are answerable to their clients .

I just cannot imagine some of you making comparison with bank asking for pay slip. The discussion here is " Why need to show pay slip". Bank want to get assurance , employer want to get what???? What is so important about someone previous pay? If the company cannot afford to pay the right candidate in the first place and do you think they will be generous to reward good performance such as bonus or incentives at the end of the day???

HR staff must learn a few thing that if one compromise on discount or try to bargain , they are also cutting the full cake into half in the end. The candidate may said "ok" but at the end of the day, when reality sucks in, he will starts to show symptoms of poor work performance and even to the extent of sabotaging.

it's happening dreamer101. people this days don't say sorry, don't say thank you , don't say please and even if they do say it, it doesn't come from the heart and ended with "I really Appreciate what you did for me".

even children are like that . i noticed they don't mean most of the words they said. There's a thin line between "real" and "fake" . It's like in limbo state. saying for the sake of saying because it's a language they learn in the text.

Something is wrong somewhere in our society. Sometimes i do realized that i also did the same shit when i left someone home saying Good bye to the host but forget the background dancer... we all need to reprogram our subconcious state of mind again...

This post has been edited by hackwire: Sep 16 2010, 10:00 AM