gloomberg,

<<I'm only demanding for what I THINK I'm worth.>>

Mistake of the YOUNG and NAIVE people..

You ASSUME that you know what you worth.

ASSUME = Make an ASS out of U and ME.

Senior people do not ASSUME. They either know or do not know....

In term of salary negotiation, you DO NOT KNOW.

There are multiple dimensions to the Salary.

1) Market Rate

2) What you want

3) How desperate that the company need a person at this moment.

And, as a person getting more capability, you are NO LONGER average. (3) plays a MAJOR PART.

Dreamer

Most of what dreamer wrote make sense to me, but not to more than 90% job seeker out there. You can play hard ball, only if you damn sure that you're good at your job.

I take some of his tips from this thread and I get good salary for my latest interview. Thanks for dreamer and the other contributors.

good in the job and be different from others will win the race. failing in interview is one thing but how many people actually access their failure by calling the interviewer and find out what makes them to choose other candidate. Try to call them out and ask them more questions that you can't see and you can improve on that weakness. Ask what that candidate have and you don't have? Sometimes, they feel you are too good and their budget go for another guy. It's a good news right? wrong?
figure that out.

That's a good news in a wrong way.

For example, I attended one interview when I was just graduated. At the end of the interview, I asked the interviewer what his opinion about me. He said that I'm the best candidate he's ever interviewed. But you know what? I didn't get the job for two reasons. First, I'm not an IT graduate. Secondly, he thinks I'm too good for that customer service job.

Of course I'm upset for that failure, but in the hindsight, I think he saves my career life.

after i read so many post here..i found this post..
lol...i think you don't know what is a resume..

I do not see what is so secretive, life-threatening, and illuminati-like about a pay-slip. If u want to give, give lar. Dunt give oso can. Its not like they are holding your life for ransom once they have your payslip..
Jeez even banks ask for your payslip these days for loans and such.
You can give to a bank, but cant give ppl who are going to feed you? Jeeeez.....

first u said give , than u said don't give also can...slippery and average joe. eel like character.

Smiling GELENG KEPALA to refuse showing the payslip.....
Just said " It is CONFIDENTIAL"....
I heard many friends and colleagues used this.
They won't "reject" to employ you because of this ex-pay slip thing...
Sometime it is not EASY for HR to keep looking for candidates....

will u give ur resume to someone u dont know?

if yes please post ur resume in lowyat

thank u

This post has been edited by lazyserv: Sep 15 2010, 10:56 AM

your salary P&C is so that u don't reveal it to your colleagues, to avoid jealousy.


I see no problems revealing my true salary with payslip to the interviewer

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Added on September 15, 2010, 11:22 amI think hah, they also look at your "starting salary" and "ending/current salary", to see what your increments are like, as one way to gauge performance/contribution to a company

This post has been edited by zzzxtreme: Sep 15 2010, 11:22 AM

Ahhh... Dreamer... u're right, I lost the war without even knowing it... =( Hope to negotiate again this friday, to try to at least get an extra 200. =(

Some people think that dreamer is only BSing. But after applying the negotiation skill myself, I trust his judgment.

The company have their own salary range for any advertised job. The most important point for you to do is to get that range. Most of the time, the hiring manager will blurt it out if you asked.

let's not compare with banks. u want money out from bank, so u can't compare this job interview question about payslip with banking procedures. Banks is safekeeping others people money and they are answerable to their clients .

I just cannot imagine some of you making comparison with bank asking for pay slip. The discussion here is " Why need to show pay slip". Bank want to get assurance , employer want to get what???? What is so important about someone previous pay? If the company cannot afford to pay the right candidate in the first place and do you think they will be generous to reward good performance such as bonus or incentives at the end of the day???

HR staff must learn a few thing that if one compromise on discount or try to bargain , they are also cutting the full cake into half in the end. The candidate may said "ok" but at the end of the day, when reality sucks in, he will starts to show symptoms of poor work performance and even to the extent of sabotaging.

Folks,

Let me teach you one more thing.

Learn to say PLEASE and THANK YOU a lot more....

I had posted a few thousands posts across many years in lowyat. Many posts were useful. Only less than 10 people thank me. But, I get beat up a lot more for my BLUNTNESS and HONESTY.

Now, if you want an answer why people are LESS HELPFUL every where and you have GOT an answer. Why should they help?? If they do wrong, they got beat up. If they do right, they get NO THANKS in 99.9% of the cases....

Dreamer

I believe that for you, trust is better than gratitude, right?

Thank you!

Well, people doesn't want to listen or be defensive because sometimes, it's the TRUTH. And they can't accept it. It the "painful" truth that made them not wanting to even want to continue reading and directly comment without proper analyzing and thinking, prematurely judging what they THINK is right to them. The inability or fear to be out of their comfort zone is the most challenging task for them, because they wan't to continue to be in their, well, tempurung.

cloverfield,

I have been there and done that. I had trained many people to be successful over my 20+ years career. I KNOW what I am telling people is useful. But, some people may or may not be ready to learn it. So, what has that got to do with TRUST??

My advice has more to do with the benefit to YOU. If you say please and thank you more often, you will find people more helpful to you. So, you will find your career path smoother....

Now, if you want to go one step further, help and teach other people too.. Do not be a SELFISH person that only take but give nothing back...

Dreamer

it's happening dreamer101. people this days don't say sorry, don't say thank you , don't say please and even if they do say it, it doesn't come from the heart and ended with "I really Appreciate what you did for me".

even children are like that . i noticed they don't mean most of the words they said. There's a thin line between "real" and "fake" . It's like in limbo state. saying for the sake of saying because it's a language they learn in the text.

Something is wrong somewhere in our society. Sometimes i do realized that i also did the same shit when i left someone home saying Good bye to the host but forget the background dancer... we all need to reprogram our subconcious state of mind again...

This post has been edited by hackwire: Sep 16 2010, 10:00 AM

If you have nothing to hide, is ok to give them your pay slip. Unless you lied about your previous salary?

iamnewbie2012,

1) If you are TOO LAZY to read previous posts in thread, DO NOT POST here. Stay in Kopitiam

2) If you want to be consistently underpaid, keep on doing what you are doing now..

Dreamer

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Added on September 16, 2010, 7:01 pmhackwire,

I DO NOT CARE about what is WRONG with OTHER PEOPLE. That is THEIR PROBLEM.

I CARE about what I am doing. Am I doing the RIGHT STUFF?? Am I doing what I can to make the world BETTER??

That is MY WAY to fight apathy....

Do what you can to make the world better. The rest is up to God / Karma...

Dreamer

This post has been edited by dreamer101: Sep 16 2010, 07:01 PM