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billytong
post Sep 13 2011, 01:44 PM

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QUOTE(dma0991 @ Sep 13 2011, 01:17 PM)
You do realize that voice recognition is not exactly a strong point for a computer. Computer language is rigid while human language is not. We can mix and match what we say and it will still be understandable to the other person but not so for the computer. To actually push for voice recognition you would need a database of voices and of which Google has done some of the work but it is definitely their patent and not willing to sell them. Even so, I don't think you can do speech recognition with the phone alone only.

I tried doing the speech recognition on a Galaxy S before and I don't think it works while being offline which leads me to think that your voice is relayed to Google's server before relaying back as a translation. Even speech recognition is rigid in a sense that some needs a starting word before a command is given. Tablet and such are entertainment devices and hardly any serious work can be done on them. A real keyboard is there to stay for a very long time. I'd like to see someone actually try to type without looking at their touch screen, I'm sure there are who could but the absence of tactile feedback makes that much harder.
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It is a strong point. Using a mouth is actually more convenient that both hands. Think it as sometimes both of ur hands are buzy, and u would like to operate the computer. How? or ur hands are oily because you are eating snacks/food. You speech recognition on Galaxy S sucks because it hasnt matured to its usefulness yet. The same could have said for motion detectors 10-15years ago, look what impact Kinect/Wii had done today?

Voice recognition technology are still new. There arent any much research doing in this area. The bottleneck is what u have mentioned. We have enough hardware to do the processing. The only hiccup is the industry do not put serious effort on building tools to use this.

Until that happens u will see common people buying low-end PC for daily task because it is fast enough. or heading to mobile PCs. This is also part of the reason why I end up buying reliable computer parts like Asus Sabertooth for my P67 platform, because i knew that this SB rig performance would probably outlast its reliability on daily task.

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post Sep 13 2011, 02:08 PM

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QUOTE(billytong @ Sep 13 2011, 01:44 PM)
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No, I'm not saying that speech recognition is not a strong point for a computer, it definitely will give an added advantage to a computer. I'm saying that based on how a computer works, it can't really recognize speech directly like how humans could. It is not so much that speech recognition has not been progressively researched, it actually is a work in progress. I had friends attending an even that is hosted by Google for speech. They were given a Google Nexus, a piece of paper with certain words to say while the Google Nexus records their voice. It is part of how speech recognition works and you would definitely need a database on speech types as there are infinite variation to voices. The sad part is that I did not get to join the event, my friend was given a nice Google t-shirt which I want. tongue.gif

We do have enough hardware to process but not with the smartphone or handheld itself. We still have to rely on a large database and large amount of processing power of a server to be able to translate fast enough. The algorithm for speech recognition is relational in one way or another and something like IBM Watson which is almost similar to speech recognition. It can't translate what it doesn't have in it's database. You would need a large enough database of required data and fast enough processing power to make sure that an answer is given instantly.
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post Sep 13 2011, 04:24 PM

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http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1037734171&postcount=3

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Board is primed, hopefully BD makes use of what it brings to the table.

I think you will be happy with it. Not ultraf***ingblown out the water with it, but after OCing I think you will be good with your purchase.


I take that as a hint from the HardOCP chief editor.
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post Sep 13 2011, 04:32 PM

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I've heard a lot about benchmarks don't correctly reflect AMD's processing power. This also applies to ATI GPUs. Whether this is true or not, I have no clue.
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QUOTE(dma0991 @ Sep 13 2011, 02:08 PM)
No, I'm not saying that speech recognition is not a strong point for a computer, it definitely will give an added advantage to a computer. I'm saying that based on how a computer works, it can't really recognize speech directly like how humans could. It is not so much that speech recognition has not been progressively researched, it actually is a work in progress. I had friends attending an even that is hosted by Google for speech. They were given a Google Nexus, a piece of paper with certain words to say while the Google Nexus records their voice. It is part of how speech recognition works and you would definitely need a database on speech types as there are infinite variation to voices. The sad part is that I did not get to join the event, my friend was given a nice Google t-shirt which I want.  tongue.gif

We do have enough hardware to process but not with the smartphone or handheld itself. We still have to rely on a large database and large amount of processing power of a server to be able to translate fast enough. The algorithm for speech recognition is relational in one way or another and something like IBM Watson which is almost similar to speech recognition. It can't translate what it doesn't have in it's database. You would need a large enough database of required data and fast enough processing power to make sure that an answer is given instantly.
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quite franky, we are basically have enough for everything (mouse/keyboard) usual browsing but dont have enough to voice recog.

In other words, price seems to be King now instead of absolute performance. I say all AMD need is to make Desktop PC costing <RM900 to survive this harsh desktop market. Good thing is Intel arent trying hard enough on pricing on its platform.

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Sep 13 2011, 01:20 PM)
Futuremark bias against AMD?
I don't think so. This is something uncalled-for.

It could be just some un-optimized or incompatible driver & software.
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Strictly speaking, that is also being biased. You don't need to have malicious intent to be biased. It could also be biased because Futuremark didn't update their benchmarks to properly evaluate BD's unique performance characteristics.

QUOTE(billytong @ Sep 13 2011, 01:44 PM)
It is a strong point. Using a mouth is actually more convenient that both hands. Think it as sometimes both of ur hands are buzy, and u would like to operate the computer. How? or ur hands are oily because you are eating snacks/food. You speech recognition on Galaxy S sucks because it hasnt matured to its usefulness yet. The same could have said for motion detectors 10-15years ago, look what impact Kinect/Wii had done today?
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I think I can live without hearing my neighbours browse their porn folders via speech recognition. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(everling @ Sep 13 2011, 07:02 PM)
I think I can live without hearing my neighbours browse their porn folders via speech recognition. laugh.gif
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Nice one. laugh.gif
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post Sep 13 2011, 09:16 PM

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news about BD,again
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dunno this video is repost or not


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post Sep 13 2011, 10:30 PM

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More news, apparently most of the BD can do 5Ghz on air, 5.5Ghz is the highest on air so far. BD pretty much won't beat SB on IPC, so the question is can higher clock BD able to match SB?
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QUOTE(HiT-AbLe @ Sep 13 2011, 10:30 PM)
More news, apparently most of the BD can do 5Ghz on air, 5.5Ghz is the highest on air so far. BD pretty much won't beat SB on IPC, so the question is can higher clock BD able to match SB?
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It was made from the ground up to have high clockspeeds as AMD knows that they don't have the IPC to match SB. Nevertheless I heard as well that overvolting till 1.5V is still quite a safe range for BD.
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QUOTE(shajack @ Sep 13 2011, 09:16 PM)
wow, 8.4GHz on 2.016v. notworthy.gif
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I hope people are not forgetting that SB can also overclock laugh.gif
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post Sep 13 2011, 11:41 PM

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QUOTE(saturn85 @ Sep 13 2011, 10:38 PM)
wow, 8.4GHz on 2.016v. notworthy.gif
Also, only 2 cores (single module) are enabled. icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Sep 13 2011, 11:43 PM

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QUOTE(lex @ Sep 13 2011, 11:41 PM)
Also, only 2 cores (single module) are enabled. icon_rolleyes.gif
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Normal for OC-ing.
Doing so is to eliminate possible weaker cores to limit overclocking.
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post Sep 13 2011, 11:47 PM

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Well finally the netburst Architecture get beated by something newer. laugh.gif

These Celeron D has been holding the record for so many years already.
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post Sep 14 2011, 08:53 AM

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So many tray BD there.. gimme 1 first la AMD.. haha..
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QUOTE(StratOS @ Sep 14 2011, 09:53 AM)
So many tray BD there.. gimme 1 first la AMD.. haha..
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CVF...u could beg amd to give u one ES tongue.gif
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Very impressive at the high Ghz attempt. Reli kill Celeron D world record. Wish I could get 1 tray.. Opps.. Just 1 proc enuf la tongue.gif
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post Sep 14 2011, 08:45 PM

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http://blogs.amd.com/play/2011/09/09/guinness/

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Even with more conservative methods, the AMD FX processors, with multiplier unlocked throughout the range, appear to scale with cold.  We also achieved clock frequencies well above 5GHz using only air or sub-$100 water cooling solutions.

Now the last question: How much voltage can Zambezi processors sustain before degradation?

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4770/amd-set...dozer-processor
The 4.8GHz hit was on an Antec Kuhler water cooling kit. I guess that typical 24/7 home OC setups will top out at 5GHz.

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