If you compare Llano with i5/i7, yes, it's pretty far off. But I believe AMD's target market with Llano is i3 and lower i5 which is the mainstream where most of the revenue comes from.

Now, I'm still waiting for reviews on AMD xfire with Llano before deciding on my next laptop purchase.

This post has been edited by jonchai: Jun 14 2011, 04:16 PM

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4444/amd-lla...on-apu-a8-3500m
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/a8-350...o-apu,2959.html

For mobile, The performance of Llano falls in between Arrandale i3-i5 + Radeon 5650.

It is interesting if it is priced below MYR2000.
It is excellent if it is priced below MYR1500.
It is a huge disappointment (or rather digging her own graveyard) if it's priced more than MYR2000 (considering there are better performance notebooks in that price range).
Now, it all depends on how AMD price the product.

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Added on June 14, 2011, 4:20 pmLook at the price segment, AMD's Llano should be quite comfortable if it's priced < MYR2000.

Most of the revenue comes from MYR2000 segment?
AMD doesn't look "comfortable" to me.

This post has been edited by ALeUNe: Jun 14 2011, 04:20 PM

Well, you're quoting retail price of laptops. AMD does not do retails. AMD only sells chips.

This post has been edited by jonchai: Jun 14 2011, 04:26 PM

I reckon the A4 series notebook will be priced at around RM1.5k already.
A8 with dual graphic 1 will be priced at RM2.5k.

The mobile APU is very good. But the desktop 1 is rather weak.

Yes, AMD don't sell finished goods but it still falls in the price game.

All along I'm talking about mobile. For desktop, maybe HTPC? But seriously, how many ppl build a rig just for HTPC? So AMD is probably trolling with Llano desktop until Bulldozer arrives

The mobile Llano is not exactly powerful. It is just as good as Intel's previous generation i3-i5.
People who have owned Arrandale i3-i5 with discreet GPU Radeon 5650/6550/Geforce GT325/GT330/GT335/GT425/GT540 do not gain in general.

Yeap, cross-fire notebook may cost up to MYR2500.

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Added on June 14, 2011, 4:35 pmI see it as a good HTPC solution. It is a good solution if it's cheap.

This post has been edited by ALeUNe: Jun 14 2011, 04:35 PM

My point is, regardless of how each OEM prices their products, AMD sells the same, in volume. And if OEMs are clever in marketing, they can sell them on parity with current SB i5's (w/o discrete card) because of the graphics performance of Llano alone. Also, this may please the GPGPU crowd because of the on-die graphics performance. So it's actually a win for AMD this time around. People tend to place emphasis on the latest and greatest (namely Sandy Bridge) but when it comes time for purchase, it's always value for money, save for the enthusiast crowd.

How AMD sells in the same volume if there is no demand?

If the manufacturer sells Llano at MYR4000 (aka committing suicide), how many people will buy? How many chips AMD can sell?
My point is, AMD has to make sure it is priced in the right price too. Otherwise it just won't sell.
Value for money or not, it depends on the price.

Well a media player is already costing RM200-400. if HTPC is cheap enough to price near a media player. I'll definately opt for HTPC.

A decent Fusion base chip can be a perfect multi purpose HTPC.

AMD sells the chips to OEMs first, and then OEMs do the pricing.

Basically, AMD's demand comes from OEMs and it's up to the OEMs to make it competitive. AMD has little to no say in this. Much like graphics. They can only suggest a Recommended Retail Price, not dictate them. Although the thought of putting an insane price tag on the notebooks is beyond me, my point sticks.

As for the value for money part, you're repeating what I said. The point of it being value for money is very subjective. Everyone has a different perspective on what's of good value. Hence I said value for money instead of price. I bought an XPS 15 for my bro recently and it was priced insanely at 3.7k yet I took it as good value. That's my view.

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Added on June 14, 2011, 4:53 pmI wouldn't want to build a white elephant (and bulky too) just to sit in my living room and allow me to watch (dl-ed) movies. However, I ain't gonna challenge your right to do so. To each his own

This post has been edited by jonchai: Jun 14 2011, 04:53 PM

Well HTPC can be very small for ITX base mobo. movies is just part of the function, I actually would love to surf internet and word processing on my LCD.

Heh. I have things separated nicely. PC + LCD for work / gaming, player + TV for movies and astro

This post has been edited by jonchai: Jun 14 2011, 05:39 PM

Saw a real life performance HERE
absolutely stunning..great job AMD

this look promising..still will wait for real life benchmark..and dont forget d price oso..

It delivers great overall performance and stellar battery life as required by notebooks. Now I am wondering how their BD 8xxx would actually perform. I'm still undecided if I should pick up the C5F now or wait till the cpu gets launched. Are they supposed to be launched sometime in July? or was it supposed to be September?

Presumably July

With APUs, will high performance RAM be a significant factor?

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Added on June 15, 2011, 11:38 amOh, it does.

GPU Performance: Between a Radeon HD 6450 & 5570

Anand updated the graphs with benchmarks for DDR3 1866MHz.

This post has been edited by everling: Jun 15 2011, 11:38 AM

huge increments!

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