nice answer bro

Re kaka_89, I m really curious to know this Cuz of urs as if that's the stock he sends to retailers, then he is sending fakes. For that, I will point these out n I hope u take this as the end.

1) there is no size S in japan. And don tell me that's factory defect as it speared in a lot of fake kits I've seen recently.

2) the adidas logo should be 'clean' from the back ie there should not be one whole white backing behind the logo.

I hope u will do the necessary to remove the thread. I take ur word that u r sincere n do not wish to sell fakes again.

This post has been edited by chcher: Oct 18 2010, 01:28 AM

first of all i would like to ask you, what does japan has to do with this..??..and for the second questions is has you yourself make the effort to go ALI and check all the jersey that there are selling..???..i think i don't have to mention anymore where does this jersey come from..it comes from the same factory from which ALI took..my advice for you now, pls do check in ALI first..

so basically, you are saying that ALI is selling fake jerseys..wow..we should lodge a report to the authority then..??..

and as for ori, what you define ori as..??..for what i've known, most of our retail stores are selling this so called "malaysian ori" which means it only selling replicas jersey..so do do ori and replicas is the same..??..

Taiko chcher no need to go ALi n check , coz the jersey he have more than u can imagine , 2nd he have a good relationship with ALI why go there just give them a call will do,we have no Malaysian ori , only original kick off , replica , player issue , match prepare and also match worn in this world

This post has been edited by arvil22: Oct 18 2010, 09:29 AM

Bro I'm talking bout the collar sizing info. The size for Japan there states S which is wrong. European size S will be stated as M in the collar sizing info under Japan (J) - please check and tell me that is not the case. And also the back of the badge as I have mentioned.

I have been very patient with your ALI claims - I myself am a loyal patron of ALI BB and I am there almost every other week for the past god knows how many years. I have chwked your shirts against those there and this is my conclusion. Even if ur cuz is an authorized dealer ( which btw u have not proved apart from ur bare statements) does not mean he cannot pass u fakes. I am not making accusations blindly, I am just saying thy fact itself cannot possibly be a concrete proof that ur jerseys are authentic especially when all the traits ofthe shirts show that it is otherwise. In fact, most of us collectors have a strong feeling that the good fakes now are probably due to 'leaks' from official licensed factories in Thailand or china etc.

The harsh fact remains that the shirt u have is very likely a fake - u can compare those two traits at the very least. Even if u say ( doubt so as I say I have seen those traits in other previous fakes I verified hence I asked u for photos of that part) those defects are factory defects, it still doesn't warrant a rm180 price tag as reject products are usually way cheaper.

You were the one who requested for a fair verification and I think u have got one. Just hope u keep ur end of the promise.

This post has been edited by chcher: Oct 18 2010, 10:23 AM

@kaka_89-Bro..like I said, you can try to forward your jersey to Adidas or Nike brand manager if you don't want to believe anyone's points here. Maybe only through that you can believe that it is fake. Your reputation precedes you. If you want to convince people, its not through abuse. If you want to do business, be professional for god sakes.
For your info, people who buys many authentic jerseys should know how to identify fakes. Barcodes & serial numbers can be duplicated. Even if I just photostate an original barcode & write out serial number, it can be read through a scanner.

This post has been edited by odieseven: Oct 18 2010, 08:44 AM

Agree with Odieseven. We collectors are not the perfect verifier as well but at least what we have is based experience and diacussions and unless u can have official verification to explain the deficiencies, then buyers will also be skeptical and rightly so.

And I don understand ur part on what is original??? Ori means authentic manufactured by the manufacturer!! Though a valid license etc. Simple.

This post has been edited by chcher: Oct 18 2010, 09:50 AM

please show more respect to the people here.
i've been reading along as you have dicussed the issues and so far you have no solid proof on your claims.

yes, trust me. chcher has more experience than you can imagine and his jersey collection definitely can definitely tarpao any amount of jerseys that you can buy to sell off.

from what i can see you're just trying to defend your claims with words and more words.
your pictures are also not convincing either and after being refuted by the more experienced members here, you still stick to your claims.
of course your bad history is still haunting you.
but i believe they have been very fair in giving you another try to verify all your jerseys.

maybe you can take it with a pinch of salt cos these guys have been collecting jerseys for a very very long time
they have seen all types of fakes in and out everyday.
so unless you have better proof on the authenticity of your products, i'd rather believe the opinions of the JCs here.

I joined this thread after I was conned by a fake jersey seller. Thanks to the taikos here, now I have better knowledge about original jerseys especially Manchester United's. I can say that they are experienced enough to differentiate the fake jerseys from the original ones.

Oh, regarding my experience, that fake seller was always changing his stories and gave excuses after excuses even though I gave him concrete proofs that the jerseys he sold to me were fake. And I can see similarity here...

well guys, thanks for the vote of confidence, but I am not throwing my weight around becos of my collection etc. I stand corrected if there can be concrete evidence that my observations are wrong. But so far, there is none forthcoming, apart from unsubstantiated statements. I am afterall just a collector with no ties with manufacturers nor do i have relatives who is a licensed distributor. My oservations could be wrong and my words cannot be taken to be golde. I am stating my views based on my own observations and expereince and also actual comparison etc.

If kaka_89 wishes to lodge a report with the relevant authorities on fake jerseys being sold at the ALI outlet he mentioned, please feel free to contact me. I am by profession an Intellectual Property lawyer and I know who to connect you to in the event you wish to take that route. Bear in mind if you do not have concrete evidence, and the owners of the IP rights (adidas, Real Madrid etc) are not pulled in the officers may not take any action. The best route is still to go to Adidas / Nike to have them verify the same and for them to take the action as it is in their interest to do so.

And you dont have to ask us to get it - the onus is on you to prove your case - as we have raised differences which you have yet to rebut. Unless of cos someone here buys from you and it turns out to be a fake, then he can report the same to the relevant authorities and you yourself, and your cuz would ultimately be responsible for various IP - related offences.

This post has been edited by chcher: Oct 18 2010, 10:15 AM

bro, pls understand that i have no offense here to prove that fake jersey are meant to be original...i have mentioned earlier that, my stand goes together with

1) relying on the my cuz statement that the supply of the jersey which come from the same factory as ALI,
2) ALI staffs affirmation on that RM jersey is original, based on their comparison and detail checked with their own jersey...(about the sizes, maybe i have overlooked it, i will rechecked again with the jersey at their store since i will be getting another stocks from my cousin, i will bring all the jersey and have them to clarify it, to be fair, i will post all the pictures of the comparison here..)...

@chcher
if its proven that all those jersey are meant to be fake as you said, and yes, i would probably would lodge a report on that, bt for now, i'm just waiting for another stock to arrive...

kaka_89, at this point of time nobody will dare to believe that your item is authentic simply because

1) your history
2) we still arent convinced 100% with your claims
3) simple disrespancy between your shirt with others.

I stand up and raise my hands, your shirt is mostly compared to my bunch of Adidas shirts (about 6-7 of them) as i am one of the members discussing with chcher. We have taken account all observations, down to the link between the sizing info with the location of production (China, vietnam, thailand etc) and no matter where, the Japan sizing info is all the same for my shirt, whereas it is different in yours. Not to mention the dodgy looking Adidas backing on the Adidas embroidery.

We may have conflicting evidence between fake/authentic, but as it stands now we cannot say with 100% confidence it is authentic. So if we aren't confident, we cannot endorse your item, Simple as that. How others are convinced, its up to them but as it stands now, we aren't convinced.

Bear in mind that ALI staff are employees that are hired and fired as they come and go, and they may be experienced from the length they worked, but do you think they are that deligent to recognizing small differences like the sizing info? Don't say them, even most of us are oblivious and are convinced it is authentic before some more hawk-eyed member spotted the differences (i am one of the one fooled at first as well). In fact, even if you asked Adidas staff also i wont be easily convinced because they don't need to have proper jersey knowledge to be an Adidas salesperson, as long as they can sell then they can be hired.

What is needed is probably a certificate of authenticity from a certified Adidas authenticator, not just a simple Adidas worker. It needs to come from someone who does a living by detecting fakes among originals (probably someone who works with the police and customs to catch these pirates etc). Tough job i know, but there is no other way to convince me at the moment.

Last but not least, even if your Real Madrid shirt is proven authentic by The Queen herself, it will still need work to prove your other stocks are authentic.

This post has been edited by pyroboy1911: Oct 18 2010, 11:06 AM

kaka_89 doesn't know who's leg he's trying to pull here doesn't he?? Questioning chcher's knowledge on football shirts. Hah!

congrats to chcher and pyroboy1911 for spotting the difference.
i'm myself also didn't realize the different with the sizing info...
thanks for highlighting it....
need to be more careful next time in identify authentic jersey.

Glad to see that there are other backups (besides than me) who can help on verifying fake jerseys or not.

Kaka_89.

If you don't trust us. Why not you go to adidas's HQ office and ask their help to verify yourself:

adidas (Malaysia) Sdn Bhd
Level 4, Block B, Plaza Damansara, No. 45, Medan Setia 1, Bukit Damansara
50490 Kuala Lumpur
Wilayah Persekutuan

Tel: +60 3 2080 4801/4885
Fax: +60 3 2080 4899

Look for the marketing manager there (ask the receptionist) and share your problems with them.

I did the same thing last time when I wanted to escalate a dispute of mine in paypal and went to Nike Sales Malaysia Sdn. Bhd's office at The Curve. Do the same with your shirt if our judgement is not satisfactory. That is my humble advise.

I was a bit busy last weekend thus I didn't have the time to see what's going on here.. From my own experience, the Real Madrid shirt doesn't look convincing to me. Another thing is your Man United jersey.. I am still waiting for the close up photo of the club crest. Only then I can tell if it's fake or not.

All the best.

No offense to you. Based on your questions above direct to taiko's here and your previous statement by comparing adidas shirt with nike shirt for authenticity, i found that you are still new in collecting/selling football shirt to be honest if that is the actual you or otherwise.

Seems like you have deep trust in what your cousin told you but not the taiko's here with years of experience and knowledge in collecting authentic football shirt. As others said, no point you ask for verification here anymore, the best way is you go to the adidas, nike respective HQ and ask them to verify for you. Frankly speaking and sorry to say, i am worry that you might as well bring few actual authentic shirts there only for verification if your cousin knows all of his stock aren't the right one.......

The utterly crappy stitching on the inside of the United crest>?? isn't that enough to prove it's fake?? I mean mine is nicely stitched up.

Again, it's always the onus of sellers to prove/show their goods if required by potential buyers. Thus, it's up to the seller to provide concrete proof/evidence of what the product is purported to be, i.e. genuine, Mint-In-Sealed-Bag, Brand-New-With-Tags etc etc.

Also, I do not understand why the ppl of Al-Ikhsan (co and staff) was brought into the picture in the first place, they are NOT the ones selling the goods here anyway.

Guys, I need your inputs on this Man Utd 3rd kit BNWT I got recently. The tags and sizing printed on the shirt doesn't match.

This post has been edited by schizophreak: Oct 18 2010, 03:56 PM


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I can confirm that your shirt is 100% authentic. I suspect that there is a genuine mistake on the barcode sticker. That barcode sticker was suppose to be for a M size shirt..but yours is L size.

From my inspection it is genuine. No worries. Trust me.