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post Dec 13 2010, 01:49 PM

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QUOTE(gladfly @ Dec 13 2010, 01:00 PM)
I dont think mule is imba. Cause without mule as your correctly pointed out, chrono probes and inject larvea would steam other races ahead if T dont have mule. But we forget that T have to sacrifice early mins for mule. 150 mins to convert CC to OC. That already sets T behind. So mule is to catch up. I think its fair. Stockpile larvae doesnt cost anything. Chrono boost cost 25, much cheaper than 150 mins.

Yes 4 mules is IMBA. But if you allow you opponent to 4 mule..who is at fault? Same goes if you let zerg stockpile drones...if let Zerg drone whoring they will swarm you sooner or later..

T has been continously nerfed from day 1. If Mule is nerfed...then SCV build time should decrease a little to balance it out.
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all 3 races should not be compared...
the advantage of mule is simple, allow u to cut scvs (especially late game) or early game all-in without much damage to ur economy...
unlike the other 2 races, there is almost no cost to using a mule as u would need resources to make use of chrono/ larvae inject...
tat's where most of the rants are the 'no cost' and the how u can spam it if u missed out some mule timings...
i think mule is fine at it is...
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post Dec 13 2010, 01:49 PM

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-gladfly not true after high plat-diamond.

my point was about sacrificing mules for scans......so scans are not free.
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post Dec 15 2010, 12:26 PM

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how do you up your skill level? i mean at which stage u go from noob to pro? i cant seem to break that barrier
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post Dec 15 2010, 08:24 PM

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QUOTE(Boomeraangkid @ Dec 15 2010, 12:26 PM)
how do you up your skill level? i mean at which stage u go from noob to pro? i cant seem to break that barrier
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i came from a bronze. i think its through lurking in forums, watch tons of videos.....playing 100 starcraft games straight up doesnt work that well for me....give urself some rest by watching day9 and reading teamliquids....

owh ya, another thing i find very useful is by downloading a sc2 replay from korean pro, a very standard short 10 min game (lets say 3 rax push, 4 gate, mutaling at steppes, blistering and str8 win) and write down all the important timings and play again with easy AI, then try to follow the timing. lets say......4 min pop down 3 rax, 8 min pop spire, 5.50 4 gate complete with x stalker y zealot.....try to find a str8 forward pro game and immitate the game.

a very clear sign of improving is.......after resting for 48 hour from ladder, get a 5 win streak. den u will start to win lose win lose again, then rest and improve again, then go for another streak....


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post Dec 15 2010, 08:39 PM

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QUOTE(quest_5692 @ Dec 15 2010, 08:24 PM)
i came from a bronze. i think its through lurking in forums, watch tons of videos.....playing 100 starcraft games straight up doesnt work that well for me....give urself some rest by watching day9 and reading teamliquids....

owh ya, another thing i find very useful is by downloading a sc2 replay from korean pro, a very standard short 10 min game (lets say 3 rax push, 4 gate, mutaling at steppes, blistering and str8 win) and write down all the important timings and play again with easy AI, then try to follow the timing. lets say......4 min pop down 3 rax, 8 min pop spire, 5.50 4 gate complete with x stalker y zealot.....try to find a str8 forward pro game and immitate the game.

a very clear sign of improving is.......after resting for 48 hour from ladder, get a 5 win streak. den u will start to win lose win lose again, then rest and improve again, then go for another streak....
my 2 cents.
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nice experience sharing, i think everybody is goin the same path except u r already a pro from starcraft broodwar.


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post Dec 15 2010, 08:40 PM

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play more i believe, watch replay, think outside the box wahaha

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post Dec 15 2010, 08:44 PM

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Just watching Flash playing starcraft:bw match . Discover that SC2 really lacks of epic macro game that last for 30 minutes. It seems that 25 minutes at least is standard time for sc:bw pro gamer. Nice match to watch, take out each other expansion.

Why SC2 doesn't have this kind of epic battle often as SC:BW?
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post Dec 15 2010, 08:52 PM

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QUOTE(jeffvip @ Dec 15 2010, 08:44 PM)
Just watching Flash playing starcraft:bw match . Discover that SC2 really lacks of epic macro game that last for 30 minutes. It seems that 25 minutes at least is standard time for sc:bw pro gamer. Nice match to watch, take out each other expansion.

Why SC2 doesn't have this kind of epic battle often as SC:BW?
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The world is going for fast paced match. In the past sports like Volleyball and Badminton last so long that everyone will feel asleep during a Thomas Cup. Now the point rally system paces up the game without reducing their attractiveness.

Long duration games just make me felt asleep.
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QUOTE(jeffvip @ Dec 15 2010, 08:44 PM)
Just watching Flash playing starcraft:bw match . Discover that SC2 really lacks of epic macro game that last for 30 minutes. It seems that 25 minutes at least is standard time for sc:bw pro gamer. Nice match to watch, take out each other expansion.

Why SC2 doesn't have this kind of epic battle often as SC:BW?
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watch nada micro his tanks...
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post Dec 15 2010, 11:59 PM

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hi..new to this thread..seems like everybody talking bout 1v1..im seeking for some strategy bout 2v2 at the moment...any comments
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QUOTE(westley0214 @ Dec 15 2010, 08:52 PM)
The world is going for fast paced match. In the past sports like Volleyball and Badminton last so long that everyone will feel asleep during a Thomas Cup. Now the point rally system paces up the game without reducing their attractiveness.

Long duration games just make me felt asleep.
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I disagreed completely. Even Idra praise Jinro as a better Terran player compare to the Korean because of his macro skill. Ability to micro is to control units just in a few seconds but macro is bout 30 minutes included patience, multi-tasking,taking out expansion, making 2 ways attack, ability to recover from early loss etc etc etc. The very top player must have a solid macro that don't afraid to drag the game long.

Thomas Cup is reducing no of games from 9 games to 5 games. Noted that sc2 GSL final is 7 games while OSL of scbw is just 5 games
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QUOTE(jeffvip @ Dec 16 2010, 02:30 PM)
I disagreed completely. Even Idra praise Jinro as a better Terran player compare to the Korean because of his macro skill. Ability to micro is to control units just in a few seconds but macro is bout 30 minutes included patience, multi-tasking,taking out expansion, making 2 ways attack, ability to recover from early loss etc etc etc. The very top player must have a solid macro that don't afraid to drag the game long.

Thomas Cup is reducing no of games from 9 games to 5 games. Noted that sc2 GSL final is 7 games while OSL of scbw is just 5 games
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talk to rotijohn
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post Dec 16 2010, 04:34 PM

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QUOTE(quest_5692 @ Dec 16 2010, 04:30 PM)
talk to rotijohn
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post Dec 16 2010, 06:09 PM

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QUOTE(jeffvip @ Dec 16 2010, 02:30 PM)
I disagreed completely. Even Idra praise Jinro as a better Terran player compare to the Korean because of his macro skill. Ability to micro is to control units just in a few seconds but macro is bout 30 minutes included patience, multi-tasking,taking out expansion, making 2 ways attack, ability to recover from early loss etc etc etc. The very top player must have a solid macro that don't afraid to drag the game long.

Thomas Cup is reducing no of games from 9 games to 5 games. Noted that sc2 GSL final is 7 games while OSL of scbw is just 5 games
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I normally regard IdrA's word as arrogant, meaningless, bullsh1t and pointless. There are so many ways to play the game. Being able to macro well doesn't automatically mean that you are above everyone else. Being able to stay in the game for 30 mins doesn't automatically mean you are a good StarCraft player.

The world is looking for result. They don't give a shit on the process. If LCW plays damn well and still loses to Lin Dan, he's still inferior to Lin Dan no matter how you look at it.

BTW in case you haven't realized, IdrA rates himself above everyone else. He is still naive enough and still thought that he himself is the best player in the world (Or the entire universe).

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post Dec 16 2010, 10:26 PM

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IIRC pre GSL interview IdrA said he thinks he can keep on move forward until he meet the likes of Cool or Tester...which means although yes he is super confident to think he is very very favored he still doesnt think he is unbeatable in the entire universe.

maybe in scbw when he was the only great white hope he was much more arrogant...cuz no1 who doesnt speak korean is btr than him.
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QUOTE(quest_5692 @ Dec 16 2010, 04:30 PM)
talk to rotijohn
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wahahaha, sorry as i am 26 years old working adult, got no time to play long macro game. my playing style is like 10minutes-either-i-pawn-u-or-u-pawn-me.

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post Dec 16 2010, 11:10 PM

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QUOTE(westley0214 @ Dec 16 2010, 06:09 PM)
I normally regard IdrA's word as arrogant, meaningless, bullsh1t and pointless. There are so many ways to play the game. Being able to macro well doesn't automatically mean that you are above everyone else. Being able to stay in the game for 30 mins doesn't automatically mean you are a good StarCraft player.

The world is looking for result. They don't give a shit on the process. If LCW plays damn well and still loses to Lin Dan, he's still inferior to Lin Dan no matter how you look at it.

BTW in case you haven't realized, IdrA rates himself above everyone else. He is still naive enough and still thought that he himself is the best player in the world (Or the entire universe).
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Me too doesnt like Idra either, but I agreed with his points regards to Jinro. For me, If you can play very well for 30 minutes, you are certainly a top player (automatically damn good StarCraft player). flex.gif

ps:I sux when the game reach late stage, maybe thats y I feel those who can, very pro. too much things to take care of d.

QUOTE(ROTiJOHN @ Dec 16 2010, 10:48 PM)
wahahaha, sorry as i am 26 years old working adult, got no time to play long macro game. my playing style is like 10minutes-either-i-pawn-u-or-u-pawn-me.

hmm
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i m a 24 working adult too. hehe. so I play about 3 games daily only. cry.gif

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QUOTE(jeffvip @ Dec 16 2010, 11:10 PM)
Me too doesnt like Idra either, but I agreed with his points regards to Jinro. For me, If you can play very well for 30 minutes, you are certainly a top player (automatically damn good StarCraft player).  flex.gif

ps:I sux when the game reach late stage, maybe thats y I feel those who can, very pro. too much things to take care of d.
i m a 24 working adult too. hehe. so I play about 3 games daily only.  cry.gif
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yeah, me too, i lost patience when the game goes to 20minutes ++. Will really think of type gg and quit hahahahha
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QUOTE(ROTiJOHN @ Dec 16 2010, 11:13 PM)
yeah, me too, i lost patience when the game goes to 20minutes ++. Will really think of type gg and quit hahahahha
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Haha. seems that both of us gt the same feeling when the game goes 20minutes++.


Added on December 16, 2010, 11:54 pmBtw, Recently I have been playing 3 rax FE. It works very well except for Protoss rush which 2 bunker also cannot do anything. how many of Marauder to Marine ratio recommended for this?

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post Dec 17 2010, 12:09 AM

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3 rax is not a FE build cuz with 3 rax constantly producing unit u cant get 400min for a FE. 2 rax FE is the common tvp strategy where you put techlab on 1st rax and reactor on 2nd.

theres 2 common variation of 2 rax FE.

1st is the common one, once techlab finish 1 marauder and conc shell. push out at 1 raud 2 rine and engage when conc finsih, most of the time you can get a free stalker on the field cuz protoss will 90% chrono out the 1st stalker in pvt to deny scouting + map control. a fast raud conc can get that free 1 kill. then throw down CC in base or if u feel bald just build at nat. but if toss early pressure, just use CC as part of wall.

2nd variation is what painuser and select do alot. cr8 a reaper once techlab finish for scouting. the timing of the reaper will be just nice to see toss's tech path, (2 gate robo, 4 gate, fast twilight council, hidden starport). den u noe wat to do lol, if they 4 gate then bunker up and tech to cloak banshee. if not, FE. reaper gives good map control. u need more micro tho...

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