Nice vid. Added to the front.

good video, however, this is considered a little low play considering both side's econ is really poor, and for the toss, a better way is still to use 1-2 zealot to preasure the marauder so your stalkers DO NOT take fire unnecessarily and allows your stalker army to eventually overpower the terran. not linger in death's gate for all eternity until you score a PROXY pylon (terran could always counter that, mind you.)

while the match between me and djsub is definitely not amongst the highest level of play, it does provide better information on how a protoss responds to this sorta threat, and how a TERRAN player EXECUTES it.
(replay is also available on the first page of this thread)

Btw guys, any tips for Desert Oasis map against Terran? Seems like that map favours Banshees and Vikings a lot.

I tried pushing out Phoenixes fast, yet gets killed off by Vikings, then harrassed by cloaked Banshees. I do fast stalkers with observer, and yet get harassed by Banshees, killing out my obs with just a scan.

The other alternative I could think off is to build cannons but that gets me into defensive play and I like having a mobile army instead of static defenses.

Any comments on this? Would appreciate it.

phoenixes > viking no matter wut...
just be more daring with ur phoenixes and u will kill vikings wit ease...

go 1-1-1 build (3-1-1 to be exact)...
1 gate into stargate (phoenixes) into robo (observers) then just build accordingly...

Hmm this video says go 10gate, but the thing is, unless you're pre-expecting this proxy rax you will always do 12gate. and even if you scout on the 9 pylon probe you won't put down the gate that early mah.

anyway reapers are SO annoying omg. even with a bunch of stalkers i got harassed big time by a 4-5 reaper terran ... their mobility is so great. front lah back lah side lah, stalkers can't move fast enough. by the time i fended it off, too late to tech to colossus or templar for the coming mmm ball ...

[edit] i've also noticed that the early phoenix harass is only really very effective against zerg. against terran = marines, against 'toss = stalker, these 2 units come pretty damn fast and for the huge investment of at least 1000 resources, there's no way i can recoup even close to that.

and yes, the phoenixes still can be used for scouting, air superiority, etc, but if the terran or 'toss do a push with big ground then it's gg also ...

This post has been edited by deodorant: Sep 19 2010, 07:44 PM

thats what i did, 12 gate, OH SHI- BUNKERS

stalker came out... phew. OH SHI- RAUDERS

building placement...
i always place my buildings in cheese prone map to seal off 1 side of my mineral line...

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Added on September 19, 2010, 10:19 pm patch 1.1 coming soon let see if marauders get any changes

This post has been edited by evofantasy: Sep 19 2010, 10:19 PM

I HATE MMM!!!

try 2 gate into robo into 3rd gate

thanks, but its just that transaction from 2-gate to robo is hard. how many stalkers till robo?
if robo, how many immortals till collosi?? PROBLEM PROBLEM

watch HuK's replay...
his timing very good

is it on front page??

nope its not...
just google around for his replays/ VoDs etc

VoDs?

video on demand...
day9 covered it as well on http://day9tv.blip.tv/file/4131781/
but better if u find the replays urself to analyze the timing accurately...

yup thanks, i just find out he is big on gamereplays, i have an account here. soo problem solve, thanks for introducing to HuK

i finally got eliminated from the tourney 3-0. this tourney taught me well that i need to L2sentry. despite how i hate casters (which of course includes, sentries)

speedlings, speedlings everywhere.

Some good Day[9] Daily stuff .. really helps in my Protoss practice.

Any idea how to defend against Banshees?

You get pushed to be so defensive its kinda annoying. Sure I have my stalkers but you have no idea where they will come next unless you invest in more than 2 obs to set in on the perimeter. Heaven forbid if you have an expo too.

If I could scout better than its fine I could go stargate. But I'm always afraid of rushing robotics lest you find MM knocking on your door. Hate it when they wall in like that and can't scout.

Thinking of placing a cannon or two but... meh.

HELP T_T.

2-3 photon cannons to keep them at bay until ur stalkers can arrive with obs (in case cannons got wiped)
and blink is almost a must to either get to ur base in time, or taking out the banshees to even the score depending on how much dmg is done to ur base

robotics is still the more steady method against terran. colo takes out MM ball and tanks too. though ideally you'd want a couple of templars too if the MM ball is too heavy and they can STILL snipe ur colo ignoring ur army of zealots/stalkers.