for those who blame 'net hoggers' for the state of the internet service, i just want to tell you all that stop is the be smart. When TMNut. Celcom.Digi.Umobile.P1 etc sale market a a 4MB download broadband product, 100% customers who pay for the services should get maximum 4MB download for everything, 24x7 p0rn download included. the problem is not the 'net hoggers' when some users dont get 4MB as they pay for, its the service providers and the policy makers that they pay in the parliament to turn a blind eye on this. So dont be stupid by blaming other internet users. Your money do not go to them. you money go to the bank account of the service providers. Get them and again dont be stupid by blaming other users. get the policy maker that you vote into office to push for 90% average consistent market speed policy (which mean, if a service policy market and sale a 2MB broadband, 100% of the subcribers should get consistent average of minimum 90% (1.8MB) every milisecond for the entire duration of service for all type of usage - p2p sharing included. Its a pipe dream? If its a pipe dream and the service providers should be jailed for "fraud".

ntg to discuss
shit wireless

yes will become p1. 4G is just marketing only. it the same wimax technology like amax and p1

TIME broadband is asking subscribers to pay more.

Price of TIME 1.5Mbps plan is RM128 per month. TIME is good in providing consistent retail broadband service based on my experience.

Price of Streamyx 1Mbps plan is RM88-RM99 per month

Basically subscribers (as a group) have to pay what they get. The question is who pay more relative to usage?
Streamyx model - everyone shares the cost. Price is relatively lower. This works as long as heavy users are kept in certain percentage.
TIME model - everyone pays premium price. Price is relatively higher but you use whatever you subscribe

Only if they let me port my landline number to another service like they do with mobile numbers.

you see they just can't say no to mr lee. so all yes man la, just like the product.

This post has been edited by ihsan: Nov 6 2010, 01:38 PM

g5sim I don't agree that P2P should not be controlled.

After all, this is used to download illegal stuff more often than web browsers.

It is also controlled in other countries (but that's irrelevant).

6GB Cap is ridiculous.

This kind of blows. Pay-per-unit is the same as capped internet, same expense or more.

Any company offering high cap use?

6gb cap is actually very generous..especially if you download at 0.1kb/s.

Put it simple for others to understand. You're saying that they're overselling their services.Which might be true too.
For a fixed line provider using DSL technology it's much easier to manage compared to wireless. Physical ports are fixed and you can easily justify how much bandwidth you need to feed for each DSLAM.

What're you're saying there is not practical and selfish. You pay for a buffet meal and you tell others you deserve to grab everything plate on the table set aside and everyone should do the same?Early bird gets the worm, finders keepers?Rat race competition?Strong lives weak die?

In such situation, there is a need of a proper intervention to avoid abuse.This is where the isps comes in before they end up losing even more subscribers than they could gain and close shop?

If we buy both condos and the condo has a limited capacity water tank for everyone to share. We pay the same monthly fee for the water bills only difference is that you open the tap 24/7 and let it flow. Everyday I come back from work hoping to take a relaxing shower only to find that water drips out only from my tap.Don't you think I deserve a good shower session? This is when the building management steps in to place a meter for everyone.

Now, this is from my observation. Most complaints made by users about slow internet usually happens during peak hours of the day from 10am to about 11pm every day. If an isp can manage their resources well enough by giving smooth access for everyone during these period, you would be able to see a mass reduction of complaints. This is why the volume cap must be implemented during peak hours so that everyone deserves something equal.
The other free hours during the morning from 12am till 9am you can take away the caps and have all you want.Only weirdos stay up that late on weekdays anyway.

All these but then again, you might be right about bandwidth overselling which is very true as well for the likes of TMnut. Where is MCMC role here to ensure such things doesn't happen?

---

Added on November 6, 2010, 1:58 pmI thought your customers usually get you on your mobile number more often then depending on fixed lines when you are on the move.
Why not turn your mobile number and make it your fixed line number instead?It only requires a change of phone equipment.
You definitely can't do that with your fixed line number.

This post has been edited by iipohbee: Nov 6 2010, 01:58 PM

i think they are into taxi service now..using one of those new lancers ops..inspira.

I doubt this will be cheap. If you go with pay per use model, what's the rate like?

Current pay per use from other telco is already wayy expensive. even at 1 sen per 1Mb can get expensive after a while.

And wireless... how realiable is that? I preferred wired, thank you very much.

That better not be internet rate (if mobile phone, understandable).

That's like RM10.25 for 1GB, ridiculously high.
10GB = RM103
50GB = RM513

*shudder*

Excuse me, 0.1kbps? That's 0.00125kBps, 160x slower than my throttled (unusable) speed of 2kBps.

What kind of speed is that?

Too many friends and family still call on landline.

Isn't this comparable to other wireless service providers like Digi, Celcom or Maxis?

+1000
Same case with me....

Most of my family still using landline...
so, no choice.....

nice one.

People need to understand 2 things. Scarcity of resources and economies of scale.

Bandwidth is a scarce resource while demand for bandwidth is infinite. Therefore putting bandwidth caps is responsible network management because you cannot sell what you don't have.

Building gateways, etc is not cheap. All ISPs implement contention ratios, where they oversell their bandwidth by a certain ratio so that more people can share the cost. E.g. Selling 10Mbps package to 50 people when your network can only cope with 10Mbps. That would give a contention ratio of 5 : 1. The idea being not everyone needs that bandwidth every time. I could be wrong about this calculation, but the idea is there.

This is how ISPs around the world can sell broadband at a cheaper price. Unfortunately, I think we can all see how the contention ratio principle falls apart when people start downloading 24/7.

I think that buffet example is an apt one. Not perfect, but close.

Streamyx is like an open buffet right now. 1 person walks in and takes the whole buffet spread for himself, leaving nothing for everyone else.

Even then, in a buffet, your stomach is limited and the restaurant can charge you for wastage if you don't finish what you take, so people cannot hog.

Unfortunately, regarding bandwidth, people can keep deleting, download, delete, download, buy new hard drive, download so there is no limit to how much they can download. There's no way to check for wastage as well, as I'm sure many people don't even use everything that they download. So in this Streamyx "buffet", this 1 person can keep hogging the whole buffet spread for himself and leaves nothing for everyone else.

Therefore, bandwidth caps are the way to go. If you want to exceed that bandwidth and are willing to pay for it, I think the idea of purchasing additional bandwidth is a good idea.

This post has been edited by +Newbie+: Nov 6 2010, 05:58 PM

That's very true ++Newbie++.

Nothing get your customer most irate than not being able to:

1) Load sites smoothly and properly
2) Stream videos without pauses every few seconds
3) Update your antivirus/apps/windows
4) Play online games with high latencies
5) Hear your favourite radio station/podcast
6) Read your favourite news updates/feeds
7) Post a reply in forums
8) Make an important voip call when you desperately need it the most
9) Reply your friend on something important and eagerly hear from her/him on IM

Most internet users who complains usually falls in those categories. Downloading large files such as movies, pornographic materials in HD should fall in the less priority category.If you can satisfy the general majority of them by making the net experience pleasant for those points above you should be able to keep most happy.

I am not saying that people should not download but not till the extent that they download heaps of large files continuously 24/7 when they don't even get to watch them. Some do it for their own profit of selling them. They should consider dedicated corporate lines then.