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 Planted Aquarium V5, Scape it NOW !! for IAPLC2011

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radver
post Aug 14 2010, 10:43 AM

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You got 2 tanks ar??? blink.gif
Why the water so cloudy one??? shakehead.gif
What kind of lighting are you using???

IMO, I think better you start with one tank first, and when you get some experience then only start with the second one. nod.gif
One way to make the plant stick is getting more substrate and making it deeper, your one looks very shallow. And also the clown loach might be the one digging them up also...
I'm not very good in dry fertilizer, so no comment on the fert. hmm.gif
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post Aug 14 2010, 10:50 AM

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Sharing what I submitted for this year.. did not score well but oh well, 2011!

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post Aug 14 2010, 11:24 AM

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the 1.5f tank actually my first tank and it only have DW that i attach rock moss to it,
after i got the 3f tank then i put all the plant and the atomizer in it, i saw that chuppy
use soil like beachsand look or is it beachsand? hmm.gif
that pic of the 3feet tank was taken with 7w tank lighting now i using 16w
submersible lighting but i hang above the tank,
how thick the substract i should make? unsure.gif
i dont think the loaches is behind the digging stuff maybe its the bandit cory works doh.gif
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post Aug 14 2010, 11:27 AM

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It's not beachsand. never use beachsand for planted tanks.. affects pH.

It's riversand.. but mine is prepacked and branded by ADA.. shirui white sand >.>

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post Aug 14 2010, 12:07 PM

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Don't use beach sand. And as far as I know, we don't use sand to plant, just for aesthetic purposes, create a path, or part of the scape. I've never seen anyone plant in them.

The submersible light, IME is not within the spetrum of light we use for planted aquarium. It should be at least or more then 6500K lighting, so you need to change it. Cause only 6500K lighting can simulate natural sunlight needed by the plants.

And IME 16w for a 3 feet is too little. It will make the plants look stunted, I used 18w on a 2 feet before but now I'm using 36w for my 2 feet which is around 1.44w per gallon, and still I'm thinking off adding another 18 watts tongue.gif . And your 3 feet definitely need more then mine.

The substrate thickness I'm using in front is 1 inch, and to the back is 3 inch thick, but I hardly plant anything in front.

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post Aug 14 2010, 01:20 PM

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so thiz mean i had to change my lighting lor blush.gif
so when 1inch front 3 inch back its like a slope r? thumbup.gif
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post Aug 14 2010, 02:06 PM

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Ya, its a slope...
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post Aug 14 2010, 02:37 PM

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QUOTE(chuppy2 @ Aug 14 2010, 10:50 AM)
Sharing what I submitted for this year.. did not score well but oh well, 2011!

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hey bro, cun punya scaping.. alot to learn from u too...


Added on August 14, 2010, 2:45 pm
QUOTE(Monsterjin @ Aug 14 2010, 07:06 AM)
ottos are great with diatoms, try rearing snail right now east aqua got new stock, get the spiky ones, yesterday they got about 300+ new snails, 50% transferred to mid valley oredi, be quick, they don't last long.

btw, i want fissidens, do you have spare?, I am also looking for mini pelia, you have?, my tank is half dead because of some major transfer from 3 ft to 2 ft and also lightning problem.

becareful with slimes, traditionaly BGA is blue green, I have seen brownish ones too, BGA likes to appear as slimy stuff, and they are very good at photosynthesis hence produces air bubbles.

the best way to fight BGA is prevention, the main source of BGA is too much dead stuff with poor water flow (which is why you get them when the tank is old and the hardware are getting weaker e.g. filter flow rate reduced and plants getting too bushy). Also skimmer is also helpful because skimmer reduces the surface film (which is not water, but by product of free floating BGA, if surface film is a consistent problem you could get BGA, skimmer actually sucks them into the filter and drowns them)

Hence, the tank vacuum till date is the most effective way to clear the dead stuff (cost abt 15 - 30 depending on size), and the best way to clear waste is to add bottom feeders like snails (that is why I mention earlier, those ugly white small snails is good to have them around), and also bacter ball, till date bacter ball is the most effective ones (if u dun mind, we can buy 1 bottle discounted from east aqua and share among us)

Proper macro nutrients dousing can also fight algae, so far I learn from other sifus, adding N prevents BGA, adding K fights spot and dust algae, (that is because certain algae thrives on shortage or surplus of certain nutrients) that is why seachem or ADA is worthwhile.

At this rate, I think I wanna start blogging about this,.... will you guys read it? LOL
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i'll definately read ur blog if u start one..

i think the stuff that i siphoned out yesterday is re-appearing today la.. cud this be BGA?
i've also been adding seachem N for about 2 weeks now... i have florish, trace, K,N,Iron... still looking for P and excel.. out of stock in ikano..

u think snail can eat BGA? if at all i have BGA, what's my next coarse of action?

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post Aug 14 2010, 03:07 PM

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QUOTE(moe81 @ Aug 14 2010, 02:37 PM)
hey bro, cun punya scaping.. alot to learn from u too...


Added on August 14, 2010, 2:45 pm

i'll definately read ur blog if u start one..

i think the stuff that i siphoned out yesterday is re-appearing today la..  cud this be BGA? 
i've also been adding seachem N for about 2 weeks now... i have florish, trace, K,N,Iron... still looking for P and excel.. out of stock in ikano..

u think snail can eat BGA? if at all i have BGA, what's my next coarse of action?
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I suspect only lah, if it is BGA, N is good for prevention, not fighting it.

Somesay BGA can die if you put tank in complete darkness for 3 days, but I find this not helpful, my worst out break, I end up using chemicals and re-cycle the tank.


Added on August 14, 2010, 3:16 pm
QUOTE(chuppy2 @ Aug 14 2010, 10:50 AM)
Sharing what I submitted for this year.. did not score well but oh well, 2011!

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whoa! brilliant layout!

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post Aug 14 2010, 03:56 PM

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QUOTE(Monsterjin @ Aug 14 2010, 03:07 PM)
I suspect only lah, if it is BGA, N is good for prevention, not fighting it.

Somesay BGA can die if you put tank in complete darkness for 3 days, but I find this not helpful, my worst out break, I end up using chemicals and re-cycle the tank.


Added on August 14, 2010, 3:16 pm

whoa! brilliant layout!
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meaning?? can u elaborate a lil in detail?

thanks..
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post Aug 14 2010, 04:47 PM

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First of all, thanks all for your comments. Was hoping for more constructive critism in order to improve myself... biggrin.gif

A little bit abt my tank, using Ehem Ehem 2213.. brows.gif but I could use a bigger flowrate, maybe 2215.
2 x 55W of PLL light. One is very white and the other has a yellowish tint.
CO2 dosing about 10 hours, since using manual regulator, try to adjust 1 bps.

For CO2 I am using this diffuser.

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On trimming, no skills, just use a paper scissors, trim trim leaving about 1/3 in height, and replant them back. I realised that it grew taller very very fast when it is reaching the top, of coz la since they are nearer the light too.

On the Japonica, I think there is about 6-7 bunch there which I just cucuk into the soil, no skills here too.

On fauna, hehe, some school fish, few SAEs, 2 Ottos, and 4 Yamatos shrimp. Dun dare yet to try CRS or RCS, but I guess my temp which is around 27-28C with a small fan should be OK for them but not to breed la.


Added on August 14, 2010, 4:49 pm
QUOTE(chuppy2 @ Aug 14 2010, 10:50 AM)
Sharing what I submitted for this year.. did not score well but oh well, 2011!

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really envy this kind of super clean and clear water tanks... biggrin.gif

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chuppy2
post Aug 14 2010, 05:06 PM

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Clean during photoshoot. now like shit. (or maybe already like shit ) wahaha.

THis is nothing compared to those super scapers. tongue.gif

Thanks for the kind comments.

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post Aug 14 2010, 05:48 PM

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QUOTE(crewmy @ Aug 14 2010, 04:47 PM)
First of all, thanks all for your comments. Was hoping for more constructive critism in order to improve myself... biggrin.gif

A little bit abt my tank, using Ehem Ehem 2213.. brows.gif but I could use a bigger flowrate, maybe 2215.
2 x 55W of PLL light. One is very white and the other has a yellowish tint.
CO2 dosing about 10 hours, since using manual regulator, try to adjust 1 bps.

For CO2 I am using this diffuser.

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On trimming, no skills, just use a paper scissors, trim trim leaving about 1/3 in height, and replant them back. I realised that it grew taller very very fast when it is reaching the top, of coz la since they are nearer the light too.

On the Japonica, I think there is about 6-7 bunch there which I just cucuk into the soil, no skills here too.

On fauna, hehe, some school fish, few SAEs, 2 Ottos, and 4 Yamatos shrimp. Dun dare yet to try CRS or RCS, but I guess my temp which is around 27-28C with a small fan should be OK for them but not to breed la.

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Your tank looks way better then mine notworthy.gif , so no critism here. blush.gif
I'm using 2213 also, I didn't use the rain bar cause found out from others that it actually decrease the flow rate of the filter, and I also like some current in my tank. Cause I just love to see my stem plants swaying in the current, makes me feel like I'm watching them from the bottom of a stream. wub.gif

How often do you need to clean the diffuser??? Got any problems like seeing micro bubbles in the tank, so much so that its making the tank hazy??? I heard this from others using Boyu inline ones, so like to hear you opinion. Plus interested to get one also... tongue.gif

When you replant, do you replant them behind the bush, or in front??? Cause I can't get the bushy look vmad.gif .

27-28C very good for RCS already, I'm keeping mine at 27-29C and I can already see a few females carrying their egg saddle already lo. Hopefully will proceed to having fertilized eggs and hatch into shrimplets la... blush.gif
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QUOTE(Monsterjin @ Aug 14 2010, 12:38 AM)
a. brown color thingy - how is it like?
a.1. slimy, if u pick them up, it looks like a cluster of hair?
a.2. looks like a layer of coating?
a.3. short tuff of hair, feels like fur

for a.1. 50% chance BGA/50% is BBA - ref to a.3
for a.2. 90% chance BGA
to confirm BGA, check your pH if it is like 10 or 11, you definitely got BGA

b. green spot.
b.1. green dot on leaves?
b.2. powdery green stuff that looks like coating

for b.1. add K
for b.2 BGA

For fighting BGA, in steps
1. clean up composting material e.g roting leaves, fish poo, and food left over
2. re-cycle the water, good bacteria will eat up BGA (and BGA is actually poisonous to OTTO and SAE)
3. trim your plants, to improve water circulation BGA thrives on slow flowing water with lots of waste, good water flow will actually move the waste material around and hence easier to clean up.
4. clean your filter, BGA thrives also on the waste material inside the filter.

recmd tools
1. use the tank vacuum cleaner, LFS will know (a big tube that connects to a small tube device)
2. increase water acidity, all plants can tolerate ph4 for a short time (a few days) BGA can't stand acidity and BGA actually can change the water to alkali (I normally add 1 cap of white vinegar)

If you follow the SOP, and the BGA still hold strong, then you can resort to use medication (google for antibiotic for BGA, and there is a human antibiotic that you can use and if the clinic do sell to you, it only costs 50 sen per tablet)


Added on August 14, 2010, 12:41 am

how old?, i like the way you manage the japonica, mine always end up being too dense, did you trim them off time by time or re plant them?
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very good info. my tank Ph should be around 6.5-7 according to drop checker.

kena a3, b1
done some changes on water circulation, trim quite some stem plant, overdose K, and finger cross lol, gonna shop for some otto @ midvalley later biggrin.gif


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post Aug 14 2010, 06:22 PM

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QUOTE(radver @ Aug 14 2010, 05:48 PM)
Your tank looks way better then mine notworthy.gif , so no critism here. blush.gif
I'm using 2213 also, I didn't use the rain bar cause found out from others that it actually decrease the flow rate of the filter, and I also like some current in my tank. Cause I just love to see my stem plants swaying in the current, makes me feel like I'm watching them from the bottom of a stream. wub.gif

How often do you need to clean the diffuser??? Got any problems like seeing micro bubbles in the tank, so much so that its making the tank hazy??? I heard this from others using Boyu inline ones, so like to hear you opinion. Plus interested to get one also... tongue.gif

When you replant, do you replant them behind the bush, or in front??? Cause I can't get the bushy look vmad.gif .

27-28C very good for RCS already, I'm keeping mine at 27-29C and I can already see a few females carrying their egg saddle already lo. Hopefully will proceed to having fertilized eggs and hatch into shrimplets la... blush.gif
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Bro, didnt know that abt rain bar decrease flow rate but there was an itchy mind thinking about lily pipes... brows.gif It is just matter of time..

Clean the diffuser? Didnt know that it needs to be cleaned? Initially I (think) made a mistake of putting the diffuser in the inlet of the 2213 but saw a picture in this forum and I changed in to the outlet. During this time of uncertainties, my HC that has started nicely just couldn't take it...

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Anyway, can tiny bubbles coming out from the rain bar but never until it is hazy...now no problem with this diffuser, I can got my plants pearlings nicely....

When I replant the trim plants, I realised that there are plenty of empty spaces at the back so I just plant there. I think the front is already congested so I didn't try to push into there.
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post Aug 14 2010, 10:03 PM

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Rainbar causing less flow? sure boh?

IMHO, they create jets, which in turn makes my plants twirl here and there lol.

IMHO again, I use a lilly pipe to diffuse the high flow rate from the filter (a.k.a. reduces jet effect but still give enough total tank turnover )

But that's just me. I avoid using them cause they create too much turbulence in my tank.. (maybe the overpowered filter is to blame LOL )

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post Aug 14 2010, 10:11 PM

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There is an itchy mind here too... brows.gif

Thanks for the info, now I can rest my mind and go get an inline diffuser. Hehe... cool2.gif drool.gif

Cheers cheers.gif


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About the rain bar, I read it when I was researching about which filter to get, 2213 or 2215. And then stumble on another forum where the guy measured the flow rate of his 2215 with the rain bar and without it, and the rate was reduced with the rain bar.

But it could also be that he might have measured wrongly tongue.gif , cause he used some mathematical formula and I didn't stop to understand it, I don't know, I lazy want to measure myself. blush.gif tongue.gif

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post Aug 14 2010, 10:22 PM

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Yea i think it's just me.. tongue.gif

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@drew

hey drew, remember u gave me some guidance in planting the rotalas.. i did exactly how u told.. but now the rotalas almost reaching the top... any advice on how shall i trim it? exactly at what height shud the trimming be done and do i replant the trimmed rotala? u know i'm not really good at this so any guidance will be of a great help.. thank u in advance.

@Monsterjin

the brown slimy (cob web looking) thing is reappearing by day.. yesterday i siphone out, today again some re-appearing... do u think it's BGA? when u said recycle the tank, what do u mean? thanks

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