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post Jul 30 2010, 10:41 AM

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I have a spare tank, (just can't fit my custom design shelf), it is a 3L tank made in Taiwan (not China), I can sell it to you at rm 250, and a basic regulator at rm 30, as is basis (last use is 2 weeks from today - almost finish)

And a lot of clearance lah

And about how long will a 0.5L last?, it depends on how many bubbles/sec you release, for my 2 ft (11G), a 3L lasts for almost 6 months, considering that I use a very good reactor.


Added on July 30, 2010, 10:46 am
QUOTE(Yaozz @ Jul 29 2010, 08:35 PM)
I couldnt find cheap soils . The fella quoted me rm100 just for the soil .  sad.gif
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GEX is cheaper, of course there are other brands which I have never heard off, about substrate what really matters is the cleanliness, about fertility, you can always use powersand or fertilisers (non liquid type)

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post Jul 30 2010, 11:51 AM

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QUOTE(michanz @ Jul 30 2010, 11:45 AM)
3l tank tahan 6 months? how many bps? 24hrs isit?
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1 bps (3s 2b), 24 hrs that is 11G
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post Aug 2 2010, 09:08 AM

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QUOTE(booby @ Aug 1 2010, 10:00 PM)
shit, nid serious help here.

I dunno why my ph water level keep become acidic (ph around 6). I change my water few times ady still be low 7 like 6 like that.

I test the water directly from the tap, seems fine, ph at 7.

But after i add the water to the aquarium, become 6 like that.

Must be something in my aquarium could be the reason that lower down the ph. Could it be the bacter ball? Or the DIY co2?

And suggested method to increase the ph level of my water?
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To increase PH, if you are using hang on filter, put some coral stones (or some PH raising stones into the filter), otherwise, you can use PH lowering solutions, or KH buff (sometimes work sometimes don't).

PH goes down could be due to many reasons,
a. CO2 too much (you have to release like 2x or 3x the recmd ammount to reach this level)
b. new substrate (especially ADA amazonia)
c. lousy driftwood
d. too many rotting stuff (like my tank, replanted and re-scaped, and plants don't like and start dying and ph goes to 3 or 4)

for problem a and b, it is easy, just reduce CO2 and use PH lowering solutions

for problem c take out the drift wood, put it into a pail and soak over night to confirm that it is causing the acidic change, if yes, use the boiling water treatment, if still fail, get a new drift wood

d. replant!

btw, ph6 is quite normal, you should be worry if it is 3 or 4


Added on August 2, 2010, 9:18 am
QUOTE(moe81 @ Aug 1 2010, 12:08 AM)
thanks. it's a very nice plant indeed. i gotta check where i can obtain it..

also, i think my tank is not properly lit. my glosso is sorta growing upright and has small leaves. any special fert i need for them?  cry.gif it's not carpetting.  icon_question.gif
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if you can wait, i can give you some after they re-grow back, i did a massive replant and threw away so many of my blyxa, and as for glosco, you need more light, the upgright problem can be solved via this step

a. trim it off
b. increase light (if you are using lights that is 9 mths old e.g. second hand ones, just buy a new 10k light, i recmd HO 24W by Hagen)


Added on August 2, 2010, 9:20 am
QUOTE(chuppy2 @ Jul 30 2010, 11:54 AM)
my 6Litre tank tahan my 3feet 6 months only. 4bps for 8 hours LOL.

Drew


Added on July 30, 2010, 12:13 pmMichans, u working is car sales ka Hahahaa
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LOL, sure is good to have a solenoid regulator

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post Aug 2 2010, 09:31 PM

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QUOTE(booby @ Aug 2 2010, 02:27 PM)
a. Yup it could this, cause im currently on CO2 diy, so problem cant stop the process.
b. Im using the marfied contra soil, not sure if this is the cause.
c. yup i have one small drift wood in it, i'll take it out n see how it goess ...
d. dead leaves considered as rotting?

Anyway, thx for the advise. will try out as suggested.
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a. the best way is to buy the cheap plastic valve control, if you want high end ones, you check yellow pages for pneumatics, and check the pneumatic vendor would sell the speed controler as a single item

b. never heard of this brand

c. how big?, the only time I have problem with drift wood is I had 2 pcs as big (combined) as a 1.5L mineral water bottle, if yours is very small, I doubt if that is thecase

d. dead leaves - yes, but not enough to increase acidity, normally it will include dead leaves, fish poo, dead snails and shrimps combined together, if you have only pieces that can be counted with fingers, that is not the source.

ATM, my tank after replanting, all the old stuff is hating the new parameter, believe it or not, my ph is 3.5, and I put a pack of coral into the tank to neutralise the acidity

BTW, I have a spare tank 3L, you want?

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post Aug 3 2010, 07:52 AM

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QUOTE(Yaozz @ Aug 2 2010, 11:14 PM)
everything's almost done . plan to get a co2 pressurized tank . how much will it normally cost ? smile.gif
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I have a spare tank to go, rm 250 for tank, and rm 30 for a simple regulator, otherwise, it will be rm 280 and rm 68 at RRP


Added on August 3, 2010, 7:53 am
QUOTE(booby @ Aug 3 2010, 12:05 AM)
Yea im putting a few crushed corals as well in my filter at the moment, n see how things will go. Everyday come home form work change a pail of water.

Oh and also bought one kh buffer.

3L? Too big for my room ... no space xD
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don't change too much water, otherwise your bio control might go haywire, even my case currently is pretty screwed, I only change little by little, like 2 L every 2 days

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post Aug 4 2010, 07:23 AM

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QUOTE(Yaozz @ Aug 3 2010, 07:05 PM)
What's RRP btw? smile.gif
I'm still new here . sad.gif
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UGPM


Added on August 4, 2010, 7:26 am
QUOTE(booby @ Aug 3 2010, 11:27 PM)
oo manage to get my water level back to neutral 7 after adding in crushed corals n one drop of kh buffer.  brows.gif  wait 2 more weeks going to get moar shrimps  brows.gif
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how old is the set up anyway?, if it is new, eventually the ph will stable at 6 - 7 and you will need to remove the crushed coral, if not the ph will go above 7.

as for shrimp, don't add untill your water is stabilised, shrimps are a little "kecil hati" (siu hei) type

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post Aug 6 2010, 04:15 PM

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QUOTE(moe81 @ Aug 5 2010, 09:30 PM)
hmm, really uh? i doubt it does.

hmm, try using the spray bar and point it slighty upwards la. so the pressure won't be directly on the plants.
if u restirct the flow using controller, it'll affect the flowrate.  unless u really wanna reduce the flowrate, get a ball valve with hose connection la.. can buy in hardware.


Added on August 5, 2010, 9:37 pmsince my glosso was growing upright with very small leaves, i decided to add two more t5 tubes.

so, i'm currently running 6 pieces of 21W T5 tubes. so in total 126W for a 75G tank. So the watts per gallon is 1.7W per Gallon. u guys think it's ok?

i also read that T5 can only penetrate 15 inches deep in the water? right now from my t5 to my glosso is about 18 inches.

is it really necessary to trim the glosso. coz right now it's only about 1 inch long from the soil.

if this lighting is not enuf, my next resort wud be to change 2 tubes to 36 watt.
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glosco love light, the more the better, ATM, i recmd you use some real quality bulbs, last mth I re-planted and hand was itchy bought a new set of light 12k bulbs (some china brand), 50% died in 2 weeks, but when I get this HAGEN HO T5, everything re grow back, some bulb just can't perform as specs and hence, reduces the effect even if you have so many bulbs
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post Aug 7 2010, 08:06 PM

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QUOTE(booby @ Aug 7 2010, 04:13 PM)
zzz now i manage to stabilize my water ph ady, here comes the snail  mad.gif  vmad.gif

Spotted 2 snails, dam small n tiny, can't manage to pick it out from my tank. The shape spiral one, is it harmful?
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Actually snails are not problems, from my experience, they don't eat live grass, and they eat ONLY dead grass. IMHO, I prefer to have them than not to have them because,

a. they are decomposers - dead grass, fish poo, aerating the substrate (by eating some dead stuff that is stuck in btwn and etc)
b. they are algae eaters - especially on the tank
c. they are harmless - and quite a fun to look at too, seeing them wondering around the tank slowly

Snails are problems when

a. they become too many - they membiak so demm fast
b. when become too many - they poo-poo like nobody business

The best way to control them

a. pick them up on WC
b. accept that it is nature at work

Never do this

a. chemical control - this screws the natural bio filtration and good bacteria
b. puffer fish - once the puffer fish is done eating the snail, you need to look after it (which have different diet from the usual guppy, tetra, discus and etc and puffer fish likes to nip fins)


Added on August 7, 2010, 8:11 pm
QUOTE(radver @ Aug 7 2010, 03:20 PM)
Ceramic diffuser better or inline diffuser better??? icon_question.gif  hmm.gif

If so, what brand and cost??? icon_question.gif  hmm.gif
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If you are using canister filter, you should use reactor, which is by far more effective. My case is that I use 2 reactors and 1 long term CO2 detector, compare to the last ceramic difuser which allow Co2 to go up the surface and wasted it (unless you are using ADA diffuser, IMHO, by far the best solution, even reactor oso no fight - check it out at east aqua in ikea)


Added on August 7, 2010, 8:19 pm
QUOTE(moe81 @ Aug 7 2010, 11:15 AM)
taken note and changed 2 bulbs to hagen HO T5. now running 2 hagen and 4 china bulbs. so total 162 watt now. let's see how it goes.. will keep updated. 

is trimming of the glosso really necessary?
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How big is your tank?, if it is a 3ft you will need 6 bulbs, if 2 ft, you need 4 bulbs. In east aqua ikea, they use 1 hagen and 3 aquazonic (since they already get the config correct, we can always follow, fyi hagen bulb ain't cheap).

I sugguest (assumming that you are using a 3ft tank), put the hagen bulb in the middle, 2 China bulb, 2 Hagen bulb, 2 China bulb, and by avg Hagen bulb lasts 12 months, others are somewhat btwn 3 - 9 mths before the light spectrum go haywire.

For my case, the 3 ft tank is in the store room, my nano tank (2pcs) is retired for good (too much work), and currently, I am working on my 2 ft, running on 1 Hagen HO T5 and 1 Osram 9.6K bulb and it works fine. Finally, I will keep the 2 ft tank in my trading room and 3 ft in the living room.

Abt glosco, if it is sprouting like taugeh, just cut it off (as close to the bottom as possible), and the new cabang will grow sideways especially if you are using new bulbs. For glosco, just becareful when it becomes too thick, it will become poo trap and when the lower ones die, it will create some major water imbalance (2 sens)

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post Aug 8 2010, 01:57 AM

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QUOTE(radver @ Aug 7 2010, 09:47 PM)
But reactor will slow down the flow of the filter right if put in the outlet??? And it'll get dirty if placed in the inlet right???

But what about inline diffuser??? hmm.gif  Anyone has experience with it??? What brand you use and how often do you clean it??? icon_question.gif
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If water is good, it is unlikely to get dirty, if it would slow down the water flow?, not much. I am using 1 inline difuser + 1 reactor (kebas from the other tank), so far, the only inline difuser that I can find is from a taiwan brand call sista, cost 49.9 from 88, I put it before the difuser using the following sequence

filter inflow -> filter -> inline difuser + co2 -> reactor -> outlet

So far, i only dismantle the reactor once for cleaning (in 2 years), and combined use onli a few months because when I temporary retire the 3ft, I just had too many parts lying around dunno wat to do with them.
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post Aug 9 2010, 07:56 AM

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QUOTE(moe81 @ Aug 8 2010, 01:44 PM)
tank is 4x1.5. 75 gallon.  bulbs are all 3 feet T5 tubes. as i told u, i already bought 2 hagen bulb. 39W for RM35 each. and i'm using two light fixtures. each holding three tubes. since all my glosso are from the middle to front of my tank, i chose configure the the bulbs in this manner. from the front, 1xchina bulb, 2x hagen bulb, behind 3x china bulb. since behind all taller plants. i believe they'll thrive with with slighty lower light.
do you think this is ok?  or shall i do it the way u explained?

will do the trimming on the glosso as u expalined. and also will keep an eye on them. wink.gif

thanks a lot for ur advice.. will keep updated on the progress..


Added on August 8, 2010, 1:50 pm
i'm using an inline CO2 diffuser too. i've attached a pic of it below. but i'm not using any reactor. i'm not really sure if need to use one. i see tiny bubbles all over my tank when the co2 is on.
what's the significance of co2 reactor if using an inline diffuser? i also dunno.

perhaps monsterjin can help us..

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If it is really really tiny it should be OK, I am using that reactor too and here are some tips,

a. the reactor must be upright 90 deg straight
b. the mixer on the top must always be rotating
c. the air space inside the reactor must be limited to the number of bubbles (means the air pocket must be very very minimum, like a few bubbles of air)
d. if it is brand new, it will take some time before all the "geseran" to smooth out the uneven edges inside it

BTW, where you buy the hagen bulb?, it is cheap, you must PM me!

6 bulbs is good enough, just make sure you don't plant high light plants on the side and it will be fine.

Glosco love high light, after trimming, it will take abt a week or so before you see any result (pandai-pandai adjust the bulb location)

you threw away rotalas? aww!!!! i just bought some, my last re-plant, I threw away, 2 big clump of blyxa japonica, all glosco, 3 big clump of ricia, 1 big clump of cork screw, and then the balance 50% died on re-plant


Added on August 9, 2010, 9:02 am
QUOTE(radver @ Aug 8 2010, 01:12 PM)
So how well does the inline work??? If not coupled with the reactor. Do you get micro bubbles all over the tank if you don't use the reactor??? icon_question.gif  hmm.gif

Cause I'm considering getting the inline diffuser to replace the shitty ceramic diffuser that I bought which is ista nano diffuser, the RM15 one. The bubble size is just as big as the cheap RM2 airstone produce, no difference.  vmad.gif
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actually without the reactor, you will get bubles from the in line diffuser too, what I notice is that, as time goes, the bubbles get smaller and smaller. To begin with, how many bps you are looking at? In general, all difusers have a limit on the maximum bps, really good ones like ADA ones can tolerate high bps.

About reactor + inline difuser, I do this because I have extra parts lying around, but the end result is that, normal 11G tank will need about 1 bps (mature tank), my case is 20 bubbles per 60 seconds.

IMHO, inline reactors are hard to find (unless in ebay, which some HK and Taiwan guys will butcher you on the delivery cost), the best immediate subsitute is reactors (but good for "lebih kurang" 3 bps, higher bps will create a large air porcket on the mixing impeler - which is why, you will need POWDERFUL canister filters, more bps, moar POWDER!)

I am re-consolidating my inventory and once I am done, I am very likely to replicate this on my now "temporary retired" 3 ft tank.


Added on August 9, 2010, 9:09 am
QUOTE(tany @ Aug 7 2010, 12:03 AM)
for those who dono how to use eheim filter

http://hada.pixnet.net/blog/post/26942285
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I lol my eyes out!

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post Aug 9 2010, 10:02 PM

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QUOTE(radver @ Aug 9 2010, 09:09 PM)
Eh guys, want to ask what is KNO3 and KH2PO4??? I know they are fertilizers but can anyone elaborate??? icon_question.gif  hmm.gif

And where can I get these KNO3 and KH2PO4??? icon_question.gif

Cause I want to rethink my fertilization regime, by adding these... icon_question.gif
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KNO3 is a source for K aka pottasium

KH2PO4 is a source for PO4 aka phosphate

It is good to get these substance directly, it is cheaper and easier to manipulate the dosage. However, for convenience, I prefer seachem products.
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post Aug 10 2010, 06:39 AM

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QUOTE(radver @ Aug 9 2010, 10:27 PM)
But seachem very expensive... sad.gif
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you can buy this gex fertiliser, put 1 piece about 1 ft apart from each other, it is a good source for K, hence, you only need to buy Nitrogen (1 bottle 6 mths - weekly dose) and Phosphate (1 bottle 1 year - weekly dose), and Trace elements (1 bottle 1 year - weekly dose)
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post Aug 11 2010, 07:07 AM

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QUOTE(chuppy2 @ Aug 10 2010, 11:17 PM)
Here I come correcting.

Function definitely the same. I give you mercedes and kancil. Function same bo? biggrin.gif

Its the build. But this again, is a fancy product.. or.. cosmetics. NEVER a need. but IMO, the glass quality is really different by 300% . Those rm 150 per set ones, the ones i have, no rough handling etc. but due to high filter output. already seeing some cracks after 1 year. my 2nd hand ADA one, bought same time ( but already 1 year old, now 2 years total) . still pristine.

Again, since its a cosmetic upgrade. No point really. Just syok sendiriness. but to compare the both. there IS a difference.

My 2 cents. ( from my experience of using the two. )

Drew
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which means that, if it ever gets dirty, you should clean it "gently"?
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QUOTE(shortpants @ Aug 11 2010, 08:32 AM)
yesterday so fedup with my current scape decided to botak everything... hehehe...
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whoa!, you could have given me the stuff that you threw away,..... I am in a serious replanting mood now


Added on August 11, 2010, 9:51 am
QUOTE(moe81 @ Aug 11 2010, 09:36 AM)
Opps!!! thanks for the correction... well, i guess i was wrong huh? it's very viable coming from a person who has used both types.  thumbup.gif

thanks for coming forth and makin it clear for us.. or atleast for ME.
yea it's a definately an upgrade for asthetic purpose..  drool.gif
wah, ur glosso also same problem like mine.. i just added light and trimmed short. let's see how it goes.. did pull out ur glossos?
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Apologies, I did not know that your glosco is at advance stage

if your glosco looks like that, I sugguest you replant them, using the following steps

a. pull out 50% (left side or right side - choose the easier side),
b. plant on the empty side
c. once the first 50% show sigh of success, repeat step a and b for the 2nd 50%

The problem with massive pruning is that

a. the photosynthesis rate will be completely screwed
b. it create nutrients leak massively
c. some will die and create water quality change

If you decide to prune them, exercise caution

a. prune 30% in the first week
b. prune 30% second week
c. prune balance on 3rd week

do it in stage, I kena before on my 3ft tank


Added on August 11, 2010, 9:52 am
QUOTE(Yaozz @ Aug 11 2010, 09:20 AM)
i tied my moss on the drift wood and it's dying ! anyone can help me ? sad.gif
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moss likes it cold

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post Aug 11 2010, 10:06 AM

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QUOTE(shortpants @ Aug 11 2010, 08:32 AM)
yesterday so fedup with my current scape decided to botak everything... hehehe...
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your tank is a low light tank, you can go with moss and fissidens, or ferns, it would look great with 1 pc of large drift wood, 1 large stone, and a few small stone by the side


Added on August 11, 2010, 10:10 am
QUOTE(moe81 @ Aug 11 2010, 09:59 AM)
Oh no.. my glossos weren't as tall as that.. it was about 1.5 inch the tallest.. nothin more than that.. most of em were about an inch long la.. but if i left it like that probably will become like shortpants' ones la..  shakehead.gif
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aiya, I thought yours are like taugeh oredi, if it is 1 inch or 1.5 inch with more leaves at the bottom, means it is normal, you only worry if they are like taugeh, 2 inch upwards growth. I tell you my experience for you to compare,

My experience with glosco
a. roots must grow deep, 2 inch of substrate is recommended
b. it should grow sideways
c. it will grow on top of another (hence, replanting is a worthy consideration)

Abnormal ones (as discussed with others)
a. looks like taugeh (cut it off, and it will regrow)
b. the roots have very little contact with substrate
c. small leaves

The general cause for abnormal is
a. bad planting approach, the stem is pushed in too deep and too straight
b. not enough light
c. not cold enough



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post Aug 11 2010, 10:18 AM

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QUOTE(moe81 @ Aug 11 2010, 10:16 AM)
but the leaves was small la.. i had a feeling that it was going to grow tall like taugeh. but not yet la.. no pic la bro.. i already trimmed it the way u asked me to.. hehehe.

let wait and see how it grows back..
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good luck then, you can check out the edited post, I added my experience on them
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QUOTE(shortpants @ Aug 11 2010, 11:08 AM)
monsterjin, its not that i dun wanna give but all the plants have bba hehehe... better not giving to anyone...
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lol, actually, you can soak them in excel or clorox before replanting, it is quite easy actually

a. 1 baldi of water
b. 1 capful of clorox
c. soak them untill bba dissapear (in the matter of minutes)
d. rinse with clean water
e. replant!

if step b is not enough, experiment step c, the bba should dissapear wihin 1 minute or less

btw, I think u need to change your light


Added on August 11, 2010, 12:07 pm
QUOTE(shortpants @ Aug 11 2010, 11:50 AM)
ya now leave as low light coz only wanna make it shrimp tank... dun wanna spend more on this tank as i have another 2.5ft tank to start wit  sweat.gif
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yeah 2.5 ft is more worth it, I retired my 3 ft temporary just to focus on my 2 ft, easier to manage

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QUOTE(radver @ Aug 12 2010, 04:28 PM)
I recently went and asked around for a pressurized Co2 system here in Kuala Terengganu.

The only LFS selling it does the exchange system, that means you don't get to refill your tank but you have to exchange an empty one for a full one, where it'll cost you RM45 for the 'refill' of a 2 kg tank.

And you start buy purchasing a manual regulator and a 2nd hand 2kg co2 tank for the price of RM200.

What I want to know is it worth it??? icon_question.gif  hmm.gif
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I have a 3L tank I am letting go at rm 250 and also a regulator (unmetered type - really basic type) for rm 30, that is rm 280 in total, if u think it is worthwhile, you can get it from me, refill in KL is rm 40 per 3L, you can ask fire extinguisher company to refill since rm 45 per 2L is very expensive.

If you want to, I can re-load it for you if you can arrange a pick up

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QUOTE(radver @ Aug 12 2010, 06:14 PM)
If regulator no meter how to know its going to be empty??? Wait until bubble stop coming out ar??? hmm.gif

Where are you located o??? I don't think can move it to Kuala Terengganu... blush.gif

How do you locate fire extinguisher company??? I can't find any here... icon_question.gif  icon_question.gif
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well, expensive product have expensive feature vice versa for cheap products, hey rm 30 only and yes, you check it with the bubble count.

if you have friends in KL studying that will be easy then
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QUOTE(chuppy2 @ Aug 12 2010, 09:26 PM)
Michanz after buka come back and active already ^^ lol.

For PG kaki, I have a rare rotala in hand.

Rotala SP goais. let me know if interested. It doesn't come cheap so..

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where to collect the rotalas? ugpm

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