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tienhou18
post Apr 20 2005, 05:19 PM

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finger and laguna blade go through bkb, but there's no damage, animation will be shown and your mana is used, but it deals no damage at all
and you can't purge bkb, basically activating bkb blocks all magic damage, it can only be stunned by magnataur's ultimate, dismembered, timestopped, basically all ultimates will work on bkb but no damage will be dealt
this is definitely true for 5.84c but i don't know bout version 6
well sven is good, but normally in clan matches, scourge will win afterall as ultimately medusa with bkb is stronger than sven, given all the items, because there're other heroes supporting medusa like faceless void and magnataur, 1 timestop enough to kill a pumped sven by a pumped medusa
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post Apr 23 2005, 08:34 PM

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what's iccg? a dota tournament? still using 5.84c?
by the way if it is then scourge will most probably win in the end, as you know, mass wave strategy with a pumped medusa is just....gay....
i've played a game where the opponent held off for more than 20 minutes after all their production structures are destroyed, how? as you could guess, only a medusa can defend....basically for that 20 minutes we just sat and watched her grow strong, my team could do nothing as we couldn't even go close to her
anyway, i think we should really start playing 6.06, i think it's very nice, besides the terrain colour which i personally think it sucks, all others are very well made, the new morphling is fun to play with, spellsteal in 5.84c is just imbalanced in my opinion, double timestop double hoofstomp double infernals are just....gay hehe...now it really suits the name morphling
the items look sweet especially when you can see the icons in the shops, many combinations available and the chicken is cute, even cuter if you kill it and get the item lol
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post Apr 24 2005, 08:09 PM

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perhaps there should be a dota competition where pumping is not allowed, then it would be more interesting, or else dota tourney would be plain boring watching both teams pumping their respective heroes...
come to think about it, it is timestop that's imbalanced i guess, because of timestop my medusa made triple kill in a clan game, sven died before he even got near me

by the way let's talk about 6.06, haha just played my 1st game of 6.06 just now, typed random and got necrolic, new necrolic with all new skills, 3v4 at the start as my team had 1 leaver, and then it became 2v4 as my pudge is a bloody noob feeder, but guess what, my necrolic made a triple kill haha...highest frag...but in the end lost of course, hate leavers and noobs....
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post Apr 25 2005, 09:12 AM

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err, morphling is a sentinel hero, we are talking about scourge fighting sentinel
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post Apr 30 2005, 04:22 PM

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lol this is funny, first time i hear people saying they purposely lose because they don't like the cheap tactic, normally people would try their best to counter and win the cheap tactic they're playing against to release their anger, your way is like the ostrich, burying your head into the sand
well as you have said, against a team of 5 stunners is really a disadvantage, so i don't see anything wrong with manta on medusa, it's their only tactic to win under this situation, because not all heroes can farm a bkb fighting 5 stunners
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post May 4 2005, 09:34 PM

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guess dota tournaments should forbidden pooling from now on to make it more competitive and more team play oriented instead of just 1 super hero vs another 1
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post May 15 2005, 07:29 PM

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ok so i played a game just now, 5.84c, random leshrac, 4v4, opponents had 2 noobs, so me and cm got godlike in less than 20 minutes, so those 2 feeders left, 1 was lina the other 1 lion, there was a centaur in the opponent's team too...killed him a few times, his score was 0 5 at the start and both me and cm 9 0....
but guess what, after the lion left, the centaur controlled lion, my team had a medusa somemore...
in the end the centaur's score, 21 5......lol we got owned completely, his micro is just too well, hex, centaur stun, lion stun, then lina stun, then lion hex, centaur stun, lion stun....lol once you got hexed = dead...
cm's score from 9 0 to 11 11 and mine from 9 0 to 14 6, damn sad....lost in the end
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post Jul 12 2005, 04:11 AM

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yes he has hell a lot of skills, but bear in mind he can use it only once at a time, and it requires memory and skill to change his skill immediately after using another skill, just like any other hero...so imo he's not imbalanced
but i used invoker yesterday and spent the 1st 5 minutes reading his skills lol, i level 1 bone level 4 liao
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post Jul 14 2005, 06:08 PM

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deso doesn't stack with genimate attack
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post Aug 3 2005, 09:28 PM

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lol it's rabid not rabbit
btw syllabear's spirit bear is....gay if you pump it
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post Aug 11 2005, 07:10 PM

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you use manta before you turn to metamorphosis, after that only change to meta form
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post Aug 21 2005, 05:07 PM

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QUOTE(Cyclone87 @ Aug 21 2005, 10:34 AM)
Try panda with 3 basher,butterfly and mom. One troll under drunken haze , he will pop up miss miss miss miss. 75% miss from drunken haze,passive 24% from panda evasion and 25% from butterfly .  biggrin.gif In 10 hit,only once will hit. LoL..
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drunken haze is 5 seconds, blind is 15 seconds
and evasions don't stack, which means panda's evasion overwrites butterfly's
so in the 5 seconds duration, it's 1-.25x.76=81% misses on troll
whereas when troll casts blind with butterfly evasion (i think it's 21%, not too sure), it's 1-.58x.79=54% misses on panda, but it lasts 15 seconds
and troll attacks much much faster than panda, i would pick troll over panda in such a situation
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post Aug 24 2005, 06:01 PM

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QUOTE(Bliz @ Aug 24 2005, 04:11 PM)
If u activate BKB first then only u activate GS, gs will go off. U need to activate GS first only u activate bkb
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wrong
it's the other way round
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post Aug 24 2005, 09:06 PM

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bkb debuffs any status, be it positive or negative buff, so if you activate god's strength first, activating avatar will cancel the status
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post Aug 30 2005, 06:51 PM

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QUOTE(me0wSter @ Aug 30 2005, 01:19 PM)
Yes, but the 2nd battlefury has even less effect than the 1st!

So, not recommended!
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no, battlefury's splash damage stacks directly and not diminishing return, so if battlefury's splash damage is 50%(not too sure about this though), getting 2 of it would result in full 100% splash damage
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post Sep 1 2005, 08:35 PM

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QUOTE(HenryLow @ Sep 1 2005, 10:49 AM)
but from my exp, if the creeps die not killed by u, u get less exp, if u kill a creep by urself, more exp will get wor...

u just try not to kill a creep and stand there to suck exp, it will be less then u kill a creep...
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no, whether you make the last hit or not, the experience gained is the same

back to the major bug, yes certain heroes gain higher experience, 30% more...this is game breaking...so i guess we should stick to 6.12b until a newer version is out
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post Sep 1 2005, 10:33 PM

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no you don't, i tested it, same exp
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post Sep 2 2005, 07:19 PM

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QUOTE(Darkmage12 @ Sep 2 2005, 04:42 PM)
this i know.... if u kill the creep sure u get more exp and your fren there get lesser... but it is almost negligible
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no you don't, i tested with ogre magi in 6.12b, 1st creep wave i used cheatcode killed all, then quit game and check the experience gained, 227..
then after that i restart and this time i just stayed at the exp range and let my creeps kill, 227 also
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post Sep 3 2005, 11:17 AM

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QUOTE(szeping @ Sep 2 2005, 10:33 PM)
This bug only can be seen in 6.13.
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zzz of course i know la, just that some people say killing a creep gains more exp, that's why i use 6.12b to test it out as 6.13 has such bug to prove that the assumption is wrong

QUOTE(Darkmage12 @ Sep 3 2005, 10:19 AM)
get basher and it will be like perma stun
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images don't bash...
only feedback and critical work on images iirc
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post Sep 3 2005, 03:30 PM

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QUOTE(TheNameX @ Sep 3 2005, 12:55 PM)
I've also thought about butterfly + heart combo, but evasion dont stack as over images as well, just getting 25% attack speed I rather buy hyperstone which are more cheaper.
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no, hyperstone is a dumb item for naga, images don't get benefits from pure increase attack speed items, only the base stats benefit images, that's why butterfly is a better item...
and by the way, butterfly gives you 50% ias, 25 agi + 25% ias

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