looks promising with the price tag..

source?

http://paultan.org/2010/06/24/hyundai-sona...88-to-rm163888/

This post has been edited by arfaie: Jun 24 2010, 10:14 PM

oh btw, saw a lot of hyundai cars at westport -> pkfz. they simply "rempit" to transport the car from port to car park

i think more than 100km/h. imagine ur brand new hyundai, not virgin anymore

yes from paultan

BTW, i like the LCD panel when starting up the engine..


This post has been edited by megat89: Jun 24 2010, 10:18 PM

135K+ but no ESP..

errr, noobly, isnt it a bit pricey?

it is cheaper than accord n camry..

here's a video review from Cnet

http://reviews.cnet.com/sedan/2009-hyundai...7-33091651.html

http://paultan.org/2010/06/23/hyundai-sona...port-from-oman/

Ugly headlights and front grill.

i'll wait for the avante

Dream car but still too pricy to own. Plus the premium is around 160k, which is around the accord and camry's price range. Thought it would be sold cheaper...

That gearbox is certainly ambitious. If its true in the real world, that would be the key selling point. Taxi driver's dream.

This is definitly the korean savior. .

Sometimes I really don't get it why a lower class car like Peugeot 308 or Kia Forte can get 6 airbags and these dumbass car vendor (T&H brand also) only giving 2 airbags for a more expensive higher class and high spec car?? so that mean they more care about their profit rather then the driver & passenger safety.

P/S : how much is the production cost for the extra 4 airbig? over 9000????? dumbass.

This post has been edited by Omage007: Jun 25 2010, 03:04 AM

Greed. Also lack of government initiative to push for passenger safety unlike other countries. Lastly additional costs to P1 and P2 as you notice their emphasis is not on safety too.

No complaints from raykat because most of them involved in serious accident not around to complain against the company (died in crash).

So to prove Malaysians care for their own safety get a car that gives you that. Your purchase can make a difference.

okay ...just came back from Hyundai Glenmarie and test drove the 2.0 high spec sonata CBU unit ..

sound insulation: good.. speaking within the cabin without raising my voice (even with the radio turned on)

power steering: abit on the soft side which is great for those tai-tai (as i prefer more responsive steering)

power delivery : good the torque kicks in as soon as i floor down the accelerator.. one more thing which i'm not quite sure whether its normal for those semi-auto transmission cars.. for sonata even though i put the gear into semi auto mode it will still auto upshift for me when it hits high rpm

gadget offering: good with the keyless entry, stop/start ignition , above average stock sound system, the cockpit of the car is great

styling: perhaps still fresh look therefore its capturing my attention especially for the curve lines.. u'll drool when u fit the car with after market rims

suspension & absorber : tried the car on tarmac and some bumpy roads around glenmarie... the car absorbs all the uneven surface gracefully

the only complain i had for this car is the stock tyres.. tried to attck a sharp roundabout and the car skidded (mebbe the car i tried not equipped with ESP + its raining that time)...

with 150k to burn its considered a good buy especially with the features and gadgets thrown in.. but malaysian buyer's mindset u know la .. T & H comes first.. especially the price is like 4-6k difference.. therefore Hyundai better buckle up for a good fight

This post has been edited by adri4n: Jun 25 2010, 05:09 PM

Just checked with sales person, there is no traction control.

No traction control? But the spec list for 2.0 high spec has traction control. Only the basic on doesn't have it.

will go glenmarie to take a look tomorrow. i purposely from malacca go to kl to see this. there is no paddle shifter for all range right? damn the high spec 2.0 dun have HID. How is the warranty? what stock tyre they given, Kumho?

hankook tyres...esp is traction control no ? esp onli on 2.0 high spec and 2.4

ESP is different from Traction Control (normally known as TCS)

i was expecting more features and goodies thrown in with more competitive pricing, like KIA/Naza does, but i guess SD isn't that serious in bringing up the hyundai brand.

hopefully if Naza does bring in the KIA optima, it will do this platform more justice in our market.

SD is really not into the business really, unlike Kia. Pricing actually sucks & some features were taken out. Worst of all, the Glenmarie showrrom denied entry to all customer until 2pm today.

Look nice and big improvement..But don't know how is the cost of the spare part....

The car is RM20K++ more than the last Sonata 2.0 spec & they recently jack up the price of new Tuscon. Not cheap, since SD having face money drainage for "some reason".

juz back from glenmarie today. test drove 2.0 model. power is abit lower than expected, its somehow like camry drive, lose to accord. Braking is abit down side also. BTW, it is not sporty driving style, u hardly feel the road feeling(maybe hankook tyre).

i was impress with the legroom, meter and sunroof of this sonata. in glenmarie showroom they are beuatifully decorated. i saw more than 10 showgal there excluding all the salesman. Thumbs up. Got plenty nice goodies after test drive. they serve coffee and cakes also. they have 5 units to test drive. Really well done hyundai. the price is reasonable as it is CBU Korea. dun compare with ckd units pls.

Well this sonata sure will sell better then the previous generation one but still won't affect much the T&H brand, since not even much peoples is care to reply on the this topic, hoho; if Accord/Camry launch new generation, the topic will be at least loaded with 10 to 20 pages reply now. . .

The exterior is really nice.
Thumbs up to the designer even thou you may feel it resemble some other brands in certain areas.
the high spec 2.0 priced at 143K is far from my affordability. 50K difference with my present ride,2.0 Kia Forte...hehe

sometimes, feel pityful to hyundai salesman. good product yet still no ppl support. same goes to mazda, peugeot and kia. btw, Forte is the best selling model for mid size sedan in singapore. Sonata is selling well in US and they are 4th largest automotive brand in US, honda stand no where and toyota still the 1st in US.

Whats the use of being cheaper when its a Hyundai? For a Korean make to be competitive it must be at least 20K cheaper not just 9-11K. Whether u have better specs or not, for Malaysians what matter is the after sale service and resale value. Both of which makes the Korean makes a poor choice. The car itself it good but its the loacl dealers which are killing it. Im not a salesman but the Japanese are way ahead of the Koreans in terms of customer service. If uve owned both Toyota and a Korean make u will know the difference.

U pity the salesmen? Try walking into any Naza or Nasim showroom and see their attitude. They are so damn lazy and they'll just sit on their ass and wait for you to talk to them. This is their attitude and u wonder why the car doesnt sell? U try talking to a Toyota / Honda salesperson and u will see the difference immediately. Even now i know of Toyota salesmen who are willing to drive the Altis to your doorstep to allow u a test drive. U try walking into the Nasim showroom in TTDI,KL and ull see what i mean. Go check out the paultan forum and ull see all the other bad experiences ppl have had with these useless sales ppl.

If u ask me i say they deserve to get poor sales. They will not be able to survive in Toyota / Honda which is why they have been dumped in Hyundai, Kia & Peugeot.

Not only that much but until V10 or even more than that

If ure impressed with this CBU /CKD bullshit, u must either be a salesman or someone who doesnt have internet access. So wht if its a CBU? U mean to say that CBU units have lesser problems than a CKD? If this is so, then your thinking is surely old school. All this CBU bullshit is the type of salesman talk that the ppl at Naza and Nasim fill u with. But i tell u its no big difference. My wife has a 3yrd old Kia (CBU) and she was just told to change her shock absorbers. Even the Kia centre told her the shock absorbers are not designed to last more than 80-90K km. What kind of CBU is this? My old 7 yr Toyota Vios is still running strong with all original parts despite running for around 135K. She has also had endless problems with her dashboard rattling since Year 1. (mind you she is a careful driver).

So please spare me this crap about CBU and the relevence to pricing. This Sonata will not sell well in Malaysia because everyone is terrified of the after sales service standards. Nobody gives a damn about it being a CBU. the Sonata is overaly priced. U think ppl are gonna choose the Sonate over a Camry just because its 11K cheaper? Common man! If its 20K difference then maybe ppl may have 2nd thoughts but with 11K, its a no brainer.

Toyota / Honda make great CKD cars with minimal complaints so this argument about CBU is a waste of time and space. Its old school.

(p/s sorry if i sounded harsh but im just fed up with all this CBU talk when i know its just a sale gimmick).

if planning to get new 2.0 Civic better buy this 1 right?(2.0 high spec)

ur nickname sounds familiar to me....keep on bashing korean's car hahahaha.

if u are talking about naza selling kia in malaysia, u might be right..but if hyundai, they are from different company in malaysia..about ur wife's car, it is a kia, not a hyundai..for me,this hyundai is a good car since it has a lot of features to offer,and won numerous awards..

The thing is Hyundai has improved alot since 5-10 years back and now its gaining its reputation in europe, australia and US. I would admit the Hyundai sonata looks better and well speced than its japanese rivals.

It just that the local franchise holders of Hyundai which needs fixing. It was held by Kah Bintang previously and now it is held by Sime Darby. Both has lesser experience compared to Tan Chong, UMWT and Honda which why they need alot of effort to fix this.

Even I not amazed with Naza's aftersales despite they putting a good effort on car equip value and pricing.

can tell the difference?

just because u dont get good experience with ur CBU kia u make a big deal out of it..
my honda accord 2009 and city 2007 mix up go service center more than 10 times for warranty purpose and the toyota has faulty absorber just over 6months..
besides, u said ur car absorber still working good after 135k? can u actually prove it? mind u, just because it didnt leak doesnt mean it is still good and dont tell me u never change any wear and tear parts on ur car before yo:w

Very familiar...I ever read paultan forte review & he was there, the flame damn hot ...haha

i am not salesman lar, my house has 4 hondas car. all i can say this time hyundai did very well for sonata. i guess ur wife CBU Kia is quite old model lar. Im talking about now. Dun apply old stuff to present. CBU really make diff to CKD. hope u have the chance to notice. Im not surprise u talking in this way as you are vios owner. Put your eye wider abit to mazda and other brand. No offense..

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Added on June 28, 2010, 6:25 pmThis is what im thinking. No matter how all new civic will be around RM 130k-135k. And i pretty sure civic wont come with sunroof, rear aircon vent as sonata.
So which 1 to choose Civic 2.0 or Sonata 2.0 high spec.

This post has been edited by Travies: Jun 28 2010, 06:25 PM

wat if in future..hyundai and kia quality better thn honda and toyota...honda and toyota start giving cheap cheap thing...and korea car gud quality thing....dun simply flame korean car laa...sorry for my poorest england..

civic is only C segment while sonata D segment.
sit inside sonata u'll feel the luxury while inside civic,no,different feeling.
Both at the same price,which will choose?
Price is a factor no doubt.

I been wondering when you will jump out to bash the korean car....and tada.......u r here.....

wonder y u are not tired writing the same thing all over the net........is it really so fun to bash others???

sorry but i felt like vomit seeing the same thing u post over and over and over again......

yes korean car will spoilt in months and toyota can last 10000 years......so we understand that, no need to repeat again... thanks a million.......

I booked and has paid RM2K for deposit during Feb.2010 and has make my cancellation due to the below reasons :

1) The curve line at side look so nice at the first place, after some times it look bored.
2) Resale Value.
3) The front grille look so similar to the clown smiley face.

pic or it never happened..
dont u think ur reason are abit lame? try troll harder pls

from the reason u stated i think u downgrading to lower end car or u are too rich to buy Merc or Volkwagen or either u think book and cancellation is so fun. Real car just launched few days but u mentioned u see it some times it looks bored. I wonder how many hours have u spent to look at it in the showroom.

This post has been edited by Travies: Jun 28 2010, 08:23 PM

1. that ur personel favors
2. if you really care so much about resale value.......u shouldnt even book it at the 1st place!!!!
3. again, that ur personel favors, i said ferrari look like stupid shark and i dun like it...still ppl out there will want ferrari!!!

I saw the car ( with left hand drive ) at Glenmarie long ago...

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Added on June 28, 2010, 8:29 pmDid you booked the car already ?

This post has been edited by woengx2: Jun 28 2010, 08:29 PM

nope, i am happy with my forte now.

how bout u? going for wat car since u cancel ur sonata booking...? with this kind of price range, u have quite a choices to make......

I'll shall go for K5 if it priced at ±120k

what model is that K5. sorry my nub question, too technical for me lolz

K5 is the codename for the upcoming latest Kia Optima

Now all of us knew why did u cancel your sonata booking. Price is the factor

Yes, I would said it is the most important factor after all!

Bro...keep saying Korean car is bad & how reliable Toyotas are is not gonna get us anywhere. There is not comparison here.

The Korean car u talking bout is d old generation. Since the 2008...the Korean had been agressive in term of new product line incl. new designs, engines & tech. So, it's a new thing. It's a turning point for the Korean. The fact tht they are doing well in many part of the world with their new line of products proof tht acceptance is there.

Toyotas on the other hand, had been using the tried & tested engines. So realiability is high...the new Vios still share the same engine like ur Vios. Toyotas also have a wonderful re-sale value.

Service wise...I'm not sure how good Toyota is...but I KIA have a decent service. It's about 3 hours...just like the avg Toyota service(s) (Fren quoted)

Potential buyer...do test drive & checkout the car before buying. If you can let go the branding & the re-sale value....Korean do prove a strong contender. But if u wan a good re-sale value car...only the Hondas & Toyotas give you that.

Parts price about the same. Korean reliability is still unknown as they hv new engines & tech. However, their Theta II engines is the same engine tht is currently used in Mitsu Lancer GT 2.0 (if this gv u some peace of mind)

I'm a KIA Forte owner...& yes...I spend some longtime before deciding on KIA over the Honda / Toyotas. I'm gonna drive it around 7 years...so re-sale value is not a big concern. Reliability....only time will tell.

But I'm willing to gv it a shot. I love the car as it is a segment higher, newer & engine, better tech & etc.

If the Forte ended up like the previous Spectra....well.....I think I will be like bro cyber (nah)....I still enjoy the ride.

I fit doesn't & proof to be a good car....well...I make the right choice !

3 years later we can talk again. But bro cyber....u really nid to re-visit these Kimchi gal. They improve.

Now things like Naza & salesman is another viewing angle. Cheers.

Let the bashers bash and the winners win.

Only time can tell. Let's just wait and see (I m Forte owner btw).

Anyway, i beg to differ when you say toyota and honda salesman are good. Maybe you're rich or something.

I've walked into Toyota showroom twice in Subang. No one entertain me. Maybe coz i was driving my old wira. I have to 'ask' for salesman to serve me.

I've walked into Honda showroom 3 times. Test drove city once and civic twice. Hmm, 'service'?? Nah...

If you talk about lazy, Honda and Toyota salesmen are lazy, they are the one waiting for the 'preys' to come to themselves. They are so 'cocky' in the sense that they never worry about customer that it makes them lazy. The way they served me proves everything.

Whereas salesman from Mazda and Nasim when i test drove Mazda 3, 308 and 407 always call me up. Letting me know about latest promotions but were never pushy.

Well, maybe i m just a poor worn out wira owner...

i cant wait korean car can win japan car gg

I remember this guy (cybermaster98) from Paul Tan korean cars site and now here which is also a korean car forum. This guy doesn't seem to like Korean cars, but often visit Korean cars dicussion forum and keep putting the same comments over and over again here and there.
He always talk about his 7 years old Vios in the forum that make me believe that his standard is only up to Vios level only.
He seemed to be very unbalance and unsteady over korean cars.
BTW, cybermaster, do you like korean BBQ or sushi? Just curious!

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Added on June 29, 2010, 2:02 amBTW, I think this Sonata is a well build car, the quality is actually on par with the Accord and Camry.
However, this car will still not sell well with this current price unless it is price about RM120,000 (2.0 high spec) just like Kia Forte which has a much lower price over its rivals.
Previous korean cars have really left the very bad impression in the Malaysia car market.


This post has been edited by x5m5: Jun 29 2010, 02:02 AM

Hi there,

Been reading your posts on paultan with regards to the Forte. How did that dare game end btw?

As usual you make this point "The car itself it good but its the loacl dealers which are killing it". Actually, you sound like a firebrand who hates the "local dealers" and I agree with you after my experience with Naza chasing for my car for 4 months plus. I'm talking from the SA level all the way to their branch manager , careline operators and their so called careline managers. Its a shame really...

Also I share your view on the pricing, it could be a tad cheaper if the local dealers wanna do this right, just probable that if sales are not as expected, massive discounts will be given again... sighhhhh

Anyways..its just my opinion, please don't dare me to reveal my identity ya or kritik me kau kau.

Well i dont bash the cars itself that much. I bash the distributers and the service centres. They are the main culprits behind the poor sales of the Korean makes.

HEHE! No dont worry my friend. Im just someone who speaks his mind thats all. I think the new Korean makes in the past year or so are quite good cars with better specs but the local dealerships are really killing the brand here. I want some serious competition for Toyota and Honda as their prices are going up but the specs are remaining moderate. But the way the Koreans are going with their distribution network and pricing, i dont see any real competition for Toyota & Honda in the near future.

(p/s: Paultan killed the thread before the dare could end. But i guess Paul knew that i would have nailed that bugger well n good. He hasnt even showed up on the other ongoing threads in Paultan at the moment. I mean if he were genuinely able to prove me wrong, im sure he could have easily continued the dare on another thread. But his nick hasnt appeared since and i think he's still there but with a different nick thats all. All fun and games!)

U think all cars are built perfect? Even a Porsche has defects. When u rate quality u have to rate the NUMBER OF DEFECTS PER 100 UNITS. Thats how u rate the build quality. Not by just saying 1 Vios had to change the shock absorbers after 6 months (which i know to be untrue since u didnt provide any further details). Toyota has been rated as having the least problems per 100 vehicles in the world by JD Power & Associates. I shared this on a forum in Paultan as well. Honda is not known to have quality standards as high as Toyota for your info but still remains in the Top 10 for vehicle quality. When i complained about the Kia, i did so after MANY bad experiences. There are also makes from Hyundai in my family for your info and all of them have problems although Kia seems to have more issues.

I know alot more about cars then u think i do. I wouldnt be commenting on cars if i didnt have knowledge in the first place. I say my absorbers are good because of these factors:

1) Over bumps/deep dips in the road the car only bounces once (minimal bounce not excessive)
2) In emergency braking the car doesnt rock back & forth after coming to a full stop
3) During hard braking, the car doesnt sway from left to right. It remains straight and has an alligned stop.
4) The car does not nose dive under emergency braking
5) The car is stable at high speeds (120-130kmph) on the highway even on sharp bends

All this happens even with a full load of 3 adults sitting at the back. For your info, this is 1 of the parts i always get the Toyota SC to pay attention to during my regular maintenence in addition to the brake pads and disk brakes.

So now care to tell me if my shock absorbers are in good condition or otherwise?

Megat, i know ure a Hyundai salesman and i dont mean to spoil your rice bowl but the Sonata can win 1000 world awards and have the best specs but if the LOCAL AFTER SALES SERVICE is crap, it still WILL NOT SELL IN MALAYSIA. Malaysians pay thru their noses for cars (thanks to the Gov's protection of Proton) so for them the after sales service standards, maintenance costs & quality and resale value are more important than specs and physical beauty.

Look what happened to the Kia Forte. It had more publicity than the Sonata and it was more competitively priced with great specs. But yet after more than a year since its launch it still only sells about 500+ units per month. For the whole of 2010 only 2241 units were sold in comparison with 13,285 units of the Vios for the same period. Even the Camry sold 5277 units for that period.

The Korean makes are being whacked well and good by the Japs and this will continue. The reason is because of the after sales service. When u have low sales figures your resale value will suffer tremendously since u dont have the economies of scale.

The same fate awaits the Sonata. If Hyundai wanted the Sonate to compete with the Camry and Accord it should have priced it at least 20K cheaper and not 11K as it is now. Plus, its general market knowledge that the new Camry will be launched next year with the new Kia Optima to be launched as well.

Actually Sime Darby Hyundai did strip off quite a number of stuffs from the new Sonata, although they can choose to introduce them all in the 2.4 high spec version. My guess is Sime Darby saving these features for the facelift or just simply reap more profit now.

Regarding the Vios, brand power aside, the major selling point is also because of the cheaper J spec. Also the recent facelift does play a part, despite nothing exciting announced. Therefore even the Honda City does not come close, not to mention Kia Forte which is in a different class although pricing is almost on the same level for Vios E & G spec.

By class, the Forte is actually faring quite well against the Altis especially & not that too far from Civic.

This post has been edited by deeplyheartbroken: Jun 29 2010, 11:28 AM

Hmm if u asked me, aftersales and presales do play a part on getting good car sales in mysia.

A good car SA is essential to get good car sales for the companies and to put the food on the table for the SAs, despite any car brands. I visited the subang Toyota SA and boy they are snobbish, and i not happy with the SA from Mazda showroom at Taman Megah. Keep on bashing nonsense which makes me feel this guy dont deserve my money.

However, despite whatever brand, a good SA who is patience to answer ur queries, gives u test drive, never bash competitors and follows u up is hard to find and really makes u feel they deserve your purchase. For instance, my Toyota SA in Taman Mahuri is one exception and i gave him 5 stars for his servicing to me during my car purchase.

Recently the new sonata is out so my family went to the nearest Hyundai showroom in Puchong to have a look. Disappointingly, there is no new sonata and there only 1-2 SAs around. To make matters worse, the SA was disinterested to service my dad and asked him to come back next week. If he is a good SA, he should have taken his contact and call him when the new sonata arrives, or at least ask him to visit the Glenmarie showroom.

Therefore regardless of what brand, a SA makes a huge difference on car purchasing. You would;t want a SA who gave u a pain in ur butt despite the car his offering is world award winners.

correction, toyota is not the top,not even in top 10, and honda(not known to have quality standards as high as Toyota) and hyundai(There are also makes from Hyundai in my family for your info and all of them have problems) are in top 10. maybe you might want to update abit 1st before you post the facts, as i know that you always challenge ppl about fact and figure.

JD power ranking

please do not doubt the result, as the result is brought to you by JD power you mention.

I think what he meant is the JD result from malaysia. I remembered reading that in local car mags and toyota and honda did score very well in JD research in Mysia. However the scores are based on volumes hence for low volumes like Hyundai, hence the data in Mysia will not able to represent all the smaller volumes brands here. Here the link for proof:

http://www.motortrader.com.my/NUS/articles...2163/page_m.asp

I do recalled KIA in mysia scored below average here. Naza needs to pick up badly.

Ur link here is based on US's data, and i do agree toyota took a dip there due to the recent massive recalls. So ur data isnt do much justification here in Mysia.

This post has been edited by travis_ckf: Jun 29 2010, 12:43 PM

he mention toyota has been rated as having the least problems per 100 vehicles in the world by JD Power & Associates, so i dun think he means in malaysia.

my bad to bring in the US data, i didnt notice it.

but for malaysia data, i must admit that Naza indeed need to buck up.

actually i kinda agree with cybermaster98 on this matter,although his words are kinda harsh

korean makes can never compete here (maybe but jz slightly) in msia if the services by the distributors here (naza and SD in this case) are not up to par.i used to get my old accent from kah bintang (now closed or bankrupt i believe),the service is ok for me,but tht car was one hell fuel drinker now

on the other hand,i have been hearing quite a lot complaints actually bout toyota's and honda's service here.so i feel this is a vry good chance for naza and SD to prove themself

Bro,

Pls don't give false info down here pls.
Forte launched in end of Nov 2009 OK.

Well... I guess the production capacity does limit the Forte's sales... Imagine having only 1 factory trying to churn on cars for two great value cars... (forte and 308)... moreover i don't think it is a big factory at that too...

Guys,

I think it is a little out of track cos we should focus more on the car itself rather than their after sales by SC,distributor etc..
This is sonata 2011 thread. Perhaps a more appropriate thread named Naza,Sime darby,UMW etc ?
So, talk about the car, Korean cars have improved tremendously over so many years ever since Automotive industry started in Korea.

http://www.cars.com/go/crp/buyingGuides/St...tories&year=New

Above link is a comparison btw Kia Forte, Mazda3 and Toyota Corolla/Altis...

No doubt Kia Forte beats the other 2 in many aspects...
if wanna talk about sales figure, why not open our eyes wider & see the global sales.
Kia Forte global sales, Sonata 2011 global sales?

Vios/City global sales? ...No, cos they only meant for 3rd world country like us...The jap just wanna suck our hard earn money.

They not even stand a chance to compete side by side with forte....

Cheers

Ok my mistake. Nov 2009. But the sales figures are accurate. Or do u want me to prove it to u as well?

Yes the Forte sales arent far from the Civic and Altis but u must remember that ure comparing a latest model with a much older one. So despite the Civic being launched in 2006, it still sells more units than the Forte. When the new Civic comes out in 2011 or 2012, the margin will be much wider.

bro, u said it urself in the bolded one.. so why always take ur wife korean for example? what about getting 100 person that have same defect and voice it out together? u think ur wife car is representative for all korean car?
if what u claim about ur vios is true, then congratulations, ur toyota is really the best, although it is still the lowest line in toyota car list
and dont get me wrong, i never said i drive vios.. im driving toyota avanza as well and the shocks really did spoilt within 6months and i successfully claimed it although with some arguement that absorbers are wear and tear parts but hey, at least it can sit 7 person with "reasonable" price back then before its competitor unleash their own range of small mpv

now u support ur vios coz it got no defect, but what if u got a defective vios? i think u gona curse up and down by then
just like my case, yeah, honda, nissan, toyota, perodua, proton i owned before but owning all this car tells me that no car is perfect and no manufacture is superior than the other..
all my cars has fair share of their problem and im not ashamed of sharing that (unlike some ppl) coz it is the fact..

old korean car are indeed problematic, i never deny that but seeing how they progress over this few years compared to other japs car, it gets me thinking.. if korean can create such car and price way lower than japanese, what are we actually paying for in japs? reliability? performance? egoism?
just because u dont dig it u dont have to be hostile over the koreans.. i did encounter problems (yes, all of the cars i mentioned) and yet i never shoot them like what u did.. just chill la bro, not all car is perfect like ur highly vios

u still cant understand eh? Did u remember me saying this:

When i complained about the Kia, i did so after MANY bad experiences. There are also makes from Hyundai in my family for your info and all of them have problems although Kia seems to have more issues.

Im not refering to just 1 issue unlike what you said. Even in the 2009 JD Power World Vehicle Dependability Survey, the Koreans manufacturers are not even in the top 10. Hyundai ranks No 11 while Kia ranks 20. Why do u think this is so?

so u recommend me to be like u, bashing all the japs coz my honda accord 2009 got faulty engine mounting, loud engine whinning noise, defective wheel bearing, clinking noise in cabin? dont get me start with the city, toyota and nissan

i dont care what the JD power bla bla bla said.. i buy what i deem worth and it is entirely up to my decision and ppl like u nor the jdpower bla bla bla wont change my mind easily

Nope..Thanks!

If really want to follow the chart, then i assume you will not drive Nissan, Mazda, mitsubishi, jaguar, volvo,audi ...etc....right? coz they all rank lower then the korean cars.

Right, he will Not cos he's the No.1 infamous T & H diehard fan.

Common guys. Let's focus on Sonata.

cybermaster98 had his experience. To him: -

1. Bad Koreans car...it's OK
2. His 7 years Vios still kicking good...it's OK
3. Toyota SC is excellent in service (to him)...it's OK
4. Vios sells better...it's OK.
5. Etc (sorry...forgot wht else)...it's OK

He is talking about his opinion. We are talking bout how gorgeous & tech fit the Sonata are.

Eg.

When I buy my Forte. PPl say: -

1. Korean car no re-sale value. I dun buy a car to sell. I buy bcoz I like it.
2. Korean car got problem. I say tht's old generation...now it's a completely new line of product.
3. New line ? Reliable or not ? I say...wait for my news in 3 years
4. 3 years ? ...if got problem how. I hv never think tht far.
5.Korean car FC very bad. Well, such heavy car....wif RM0.16-RM0.18 per KM (for Forte)....OK lah. But kanot fight wif Vios or City.
6. Korean car space parts expensive. I say it's about same price with Honda/ Toyota. Official SC price. Dun compare wif Chop shop.

The most important things is buy something u like & enjoy the ride. Be confident in ur choice. It's ur money.

I certainly enjoy my ride ! Forte rocks.

they are not in the same category anyway.. is it better than the civic/altis range?
and yeah, i fully support what u said, i buy car for me to enjoy, not to satisfy the market..
just because myvi is top seller doesnt mean i must buy myvi if im not comfortable with it and vice versa

I've given out Forte general FC.

Probably can compare against them in the Altis or Civic thread. My long guess would be they are about the same.




For me, i choose a value for money car with the best safety features, bigger that is within my budget & the good looks was an added bonus

I have made a booking on Forte 2.0 recently.
The reason why Forte is chosen is because of many oversea positive reviews of the car. It may not be the best in every areas of the car performance, however, some qualities and features are either on par or better than the Japanese counterparts.
To spend another extra RM30K--40K for a Japanese equivalence in Malaysia is TOTALLY INSANE.
And why we have to worry about the car service as it can be done easily at any Naza Kia workshop. A modern new car would not easily breakdown as long as you have not abused it and serviced regularly.
Regarding about the Forte or sonata resale value would be largely depend on the supply and demand in the future. Moreover, the saving of over RM30K-40K + interest of 5 to 7 years will give you a great lump sum when you decided to sell your car. (however, this rule only apply to Forte as Sonata pricing is too close to the Japanese counterparts)
SD, reduce your price, don't kill a nice product.

wow bro~ just becoz u buy a Forte and u saying thousands and thousands of Altis & Civic owners in Malaysia are INSANE~ haha
IMO, what a INSANE comment is this..

all car value depreciates.. like it or not.. the difference is just that how much it drops ?

if your concern is in this, then can i suggest you get a proton or perodua .. lol

my potong waja 1.6 2003 bought at 62k
now after 7 years selling 22k (roughly)

40k lost in 7 years period.. im losing 5.7k per year

compared to my fren's civic 2007 136k
now after 3 years selling 100k

36k lost in 3 years period translate to 12k lost annually

anyway with these players ford/chevy/peugeot/citroen/hyundai/kia in the market this will provide more choices to the buyers provided that they price their offerings competitively within the same price bracket as the all time favourite T and H

Yes the Kia Forte is priced well but despite this the negative perception brought about by the local dealerships and service centres are bringing the car sales down. The Sonata is dead man's land. The pricing is too close to the Camry / Accord.

My dear friend, you cannot really compare with cars like Jaguar, Audi, atc as this is a survey based on complaints received from owners during the 1st 3 yrs of ownership. If a car production is very much lower and u have even a few complaints, your ratings will drop drastically. For this survey to be accurate u need to compare cars within a specific range e.g Toyota, GM, Honda, Hyundai & Nissan in 1 group since their production is the highest compared to other makes.

Again this is based on complaints raised by owners. Nothing is mentioned whether its major / minor problems. There are other sections in the survey which needs to be looked at to get an overall idea of the results. If u only have minor cosmetic problems, that wouldnt stop anybody from owning that car.

There was a big case a few months back in the US where a car owner sued Mercedes Benz for his malfunctioning brand new Merc . If im not mistaken he was paid a large sum of money in an out of court settlement. Does this mean Mercs are bad? Of course not.

No car is perfect. Every car will have issues. Ratings like this are meant to give us a general idea of the particular make. But as ive said before, the Koreans have improved alot and im sure they will improve further. But as long as their sales and service centres are controlled by these cronies, their sales will never be able to challenge the Japs for a long time.

Cheers!

First of all, its common knowledge that resale values for most cars drop the most in the first 4 yrs. So if u sell your car within that period chances are u will face heavy losses. Its only after that does the price stabilise a little. So u cannot really compare the resale values for a 7yr old car against a 3rd old car. U cant make such direct comparisons. If u wanna compare then compare against cars of the same age.

U must also remember that cars in the higher cc bracket lose their values faster than smaller cars simply due to the demand and supply equation. 2nd hand car values are directly connected to the initial sale figures. If u have poor sales, chances are your resale value will be poor. This is especially accurate for non national cars.

e,g Toyota Vios 1.5E purchased for RM74,700 in 2003 now sells for approx RM46,000. A drop of only 39% over 7 yrs.

Let him talk. Ive spoken to many of these new owners of Korean makes (my family was some of them). All of them say the same stuff in the beginning. Great car, cheap service, good specs, etc when they first get the car. When they start paying for their service & replacement of parts after 3-4 yrs then the story will change.

When the Spectra 1st came out, everybody was saying the same thing. Ppl called it the revolutionary car who will finally be able to compete with the Japs. Now after so many years, nobody wants to touch a 2nd hand Spectra after all the horror stories. Now everybody is saying the same thing about the Forte. But in the past 7 months since its launch, its sales figures are barely 18% of the Vios despite all its latest gadgets and specs and better looks.

My wife was 1 of those who condemned Toyota after getting her Kia 4 yrs ago. When she got her Kia she gave me the same crap. Toyota too expensive, ripping off customers, why spend so much, etc. And now after 4 yrs she cant wait to get rid of her Kia but sadly the resale value is so crap. Now she says 'Never Again'. Now she realises the difference between Toyota and the Korean makes.

In saying this i must say that the Forte is surely a class above the Spectra and the Vios for sure. It does have good specs and looks. Its also competitively priced. But sadly, its the local dealerships and service centres which are keeping its sales figures down. Sad but true.