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post Jun 30 2010, 03:42 PM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jun 29 2010, 11:12 AM)
Megat, i know ure a Hyundai salesman and i dont mean to spoil your rice bowl but the Sonata can win 1000 world awards and have the best specs but if the LOCAL AFTER SALES SERVICE is crap, it still WILL NOT SELL IN MALAYSIA. Malaysians pay thru their noses for cars (thanks to the Gov's protection of Proton) so for them the after sales service standards, maintenance costs & quality and resale value are more important than specs and physical beauty.

Look what happened to the Kia Forte. It had more publicity than the Sonata and it was more competitively priced with great specs. But yet after more than a year since its launch it still only sells about 500+ units per month. For the whole of 2010 only 2241 units were sold in comparison with 13,285 units of the Vios for the same period. Even the Camry sold 5277 units for that period.

The Korean makes are being whacked well and good by the Japs and this will continue. The reason is because of the after sales service. When u have low sales figures your resale value will suffer tremendously since u dont have the economies of scale.

The same fate awaits the Sonata. If Hyundai wanted the Sonate to compete with the Camry and Accord it should have priced it at least 20K cheaper and not 11K as it is now. Plus, its general market knowledge that the new Camry will be launched next year with the new Kia Optima to be launched as well.
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let me get some facts right:
It was launch in Nov 2009 so it is less than a year from it's launch date

Naza only targets to deliver to 500 units/ month , which is their current max capability and each month they exceed their sales targe around 5-15%
http://www.btimes.com.my/Current_News/BTIM.../forte/Article/

FORTE at current capacity will not exceed Vios sales number because Toyota's manufacturing capacity is so much larger compare to Naza's assembly plant. If FORTE can exceed Vios Toyota can really start retrenching people staring from the local parts manufacturer.

Put it another way Naza's after sales is improving , Hyundai I am not so certain as Sime currently abit unstable

With the Sonata at 140k probably I will land myself an accord instead -> just a personnel preference
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post Jul 1 2010, 12:52 PM

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suggest mod to close this as it has become Jap vs korean car war...

Open a new clean thread for Sonata and open another for Jap vs Korean so please do it there don't spoil a thread intended for Sonata
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post Jul 1 2010, 01:09 PM

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QUOTE(Taipan052 @ Jul 1 2010, 12:59 PM)
you are a funny guy. wanna be clown?
did you do your own research before posting your ridiculous point here?

naza never target over 1K monthly. Their target is to achieve 6K per annum that reflect 500 fortes per month.
now the figure still below the target because of january sales not so good. so before you speak or type to be exact.. just do your own research and not bashing like an idiot
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Jan wasn't any car sales because of road authority issue (JPJ) ... delivery was push back 2 months

Hope Sonata doesn't face this.


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post Jul 6 2010, 10:41 AM

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Sonata vs H.Acc vs Toyota Camry (Basic)
135k vs 142 k vs 144k

the difference is too small no big hua

Thou Sonata is on the same segment the price positioning doesn't give a big HuHa.

Can't deny the Sonata is nice in design, but SD always didn't place it at a nice position just like Avante; only have beige color quite apek - in my opinion, while world wide is selling like hot cakes ; eg Singapore 2nd best seller after FORTE.

FORTE gave an impact impression cause a different segment and a cheaper price.

I believe korean car have to position them self lower due to their previous after sales reputation , For Sonata I am expecting about 5-10k cheaper from the existing price then we see a waiting list of 1-2 months queuing

A few existing Sonata owner (friends & relative) hinted will go for this Sonata when is time to change theirs, thou the mouth still complaining about SC but after warranty go outside to service no issue wink.gif

This post has been edited by titarium: Jul 6 2010, 10:42 AM
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post Jul 6 2010, 11:20 AM

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QUOTE(mavericksam @ Jul 6 2010, 10:58 AM)
IMHO, SD is just pushing the price based on the global sales performance of this car... look at the previous sonata sold by SD, they are not more than 130k for the 2.4l high specs... Bumping it to by around 30k for each specs does tell you that they are trying to piggyback on current global hype... not that it is not worth that much but i think it is a little greedy of SD to do that... probably they are trying to recoup some losses made by their plantation side... i don't know... but it is much more expensive than what was communicated internally... (not that i am not a sales man nor i work with SD, just heard from some internal sources)...
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maybe backup plan price remain, free maintenance for 2/3 years or/and 5 years solid warranty without mileage consideration would this be great ?!

from the stock market kaki's view Sime Darby is only good in plantation - haha, they are venturing in so many segment not sure can they handle it ( water treatment, power generation , properties, Health Care .. ) hrmm which division made a lost ? motoring ? utilities ? property ?
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post Jul 6 2010, 11:26 AM

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one thing did you guys notice Hyundai, Kia & Toyota's push button looks the same ?!

I believe might be from the same supplier


Added on July 6, 2010, 11:31 am
QUOTE(wind01 @ Jul 6 2010, 11:23 AM)
Cool off guys !

4) The resale values will continue to be poor as long as the original sale figures are low
- not 1st priority if you like the car very much

5) Cost of part replacement have and will still be relatively more expensive compared to Toyota & Honda
- advantage of T&H they have alot of OEM parts even form local manufacturers

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Added on July 6, 2010, 11:34 amcomparing hyundai and Kia cars I notice there's alot of similarity .

Compared the previous Sonata's accessories &build up to FORTE's:
air-con vents
gear box
center console (not 100%)
anti glare mirror
a few more

I think Hyundai and Kia is trying to have more similiar parts from a certain manufacturer to have a much lower price.

This post has been edited by titarium: Jul 6 2010, 11:34 AM
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post Jul 6 2010, 12:21 PM

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QUOTE(mavericksam @ Jul 6 2010, 12:15 PM)
i thought the older gen of sonata also have the 5yrs warranty (abeit 300k km only but that is more than the life time spent on the car owning)... look elsewhere (US) the sonata comes with a 10yr warranty if i am not mistaken...
They lost it on group level but the losses are actually coming from the plantation (after the merger)... they did not explicitly tell everyone that is coming from plantations but those who are in touch should know... wink.gif
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US 10 years / 100 k Miles !
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post Jul 6 2010, 12:40 PM

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QUOTE(MangO @ Jul 6 2010, 12:35 PM)
I am wondering whether there will be any discount in the near future in the form of:

1. Overtrade/ discount
2. Free service for 3 years like Avante

This will make the Sonata more competitive.
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don;t do it in future do it now ... if in future ppl will wait till then only buy and get along with existing car first ... do it now to make people to have a change of mind.

 

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