can we conclude that:

- This is a Hyundai Sonata thread > according to you, you are not sure if this Sonata (or any other korean makes of the similar generation) is good or not, but you are not willing to find out because you condemn the aftersales service here. (keep in mind that all this while, you are the only keep repeating the quality issue of previous gen koreans. noone ever disputed that since we all know it too. but somehow you manage to escape everyone's attention on how yourself never agree or bother to find out if the quality has improved)

- 2ndly, for the same reason of condemnation above, you believe that this Sonata should be priced at what Naza did with Forte, pricing it at Altis / Civic range while competing with Camry / Accord (since Forte was priced at City / Vios, but was good enough to park next to Altis / Civic)

- 3rdly, you mentioned that korean makes do not sell well here, even tho everyone else is seeing the contrary, Forte number is clearly increasing on the road.

So, what is yr point really? you simply don't want to give the new gen of korean makes a chance. end of your opinion.

why the trouble of finding tonnes of info from arnd the net to justify your 'opinion'? (note: it is still remaining as, your opinion...not a fact yet. these are new cars man)

anyhow, did kimchi broke your heart so bad? lol. 

you are like the japanese soldier hired to shoot down any potential korean car convert, hahaha. Go sushi!

Ive heard alot of this talk about getting a non famous brand bla bla bla. But in reality you will always choose the safest choice. When the time comes its always gonna be about resale value, after sales service and customer satisfaction which rules. The Korean makes will never reach that standard unless they change the local distributers.

(p/s: i am entitled to my opinion and anyone is free to contradict it as they see fit but NEVER tell me to GTH or buzz off. I know alot more about cars than u do. U Just stick to your little proton world).

Cheers!

wow.. that avante's really gud lookin!! i dont mind havin that as my next car

haha.. yeah2.. anyway, any pic of the rear??

I think its you who has flip flopped. Why dont u click on my nick and see all the posts ive made before commenting? I have always maintained that Quality and After Sales Service have always been issues with the Korean makes. The quality issues on the current models will only be known in about 2 yrs.

I didnt say that after sales service is the ONLY issue. I said it was the MAIN issue. Read my posts again if u doubt this. Car volume of non national cars are a reflection of the car brand and everything positive about it so sales volume are important. Dont compare with National cars as they are a totally different ballgame altogether.

Whatever ive said about the Korean makes are based on my OWN experience. Ive stated many times that there are Korean makes in my family. This is nothing about promoting Vios but its about using Toyota as an example to show that the Koreans need to buck up in many areas. How many more times do u want me to say that i WANT the KOreans to improve and become a real contender to the Japs? How come u dont mention these things? Toyota isnt the best brand and and it surely doesnt produce the best cars but its still alot better than the Koreans.

Common man. Grow up. If u wanna have an argument then fight fairly. Dont pick and choose 1 or 2 words of mine and try to find fault with my whole argument.

Ure on again about the affordability? U wanna join Eddy in the dare? Oh please do!

A few Forte owners told u Naza has improved on their service? Mind to elaborate? How did they determine better or worse? What was their benchmark? What car were they driving before? Kia Forte cars are serviced at the same service centres as most other Kia's so i would really like to know how they have improved and in what way. Plus Forte owners are still enjoing their complimentary service so how are they judging better service standards?

Please dont merely shoot your mouth off without facts la. If u really have facts then please do share them. All this 'i heard someone say something' does not hold any weight. If u really have proof that the service standards for Naza have improved then please share with me. I would really like to know and maye start sending the cars at my home to that service centre. I mean seriously.

Besides, who sets the prices for cars here in Malaysia? U think all these high prices are coming from the manufacturers themselves? If the Vios expensive price tag is actually determined by the manufacturers then how come an Altis sells for RM 48K (equivalent) in Indonesia? How come the Vios and Altis are used as taxis in Indonesia and Thailand?

Go check out the prices of cars in the US for instance. The difference between a Camry and the new Sonata is only about 1-2K. Why is it 11K difference in Malaysia? U think this is done by Toyota? Why dont u compare the ORIGINAL car prices before the excise duties before blaming the manufacturers.

Cheers!