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 Hyundai Sonata launched in Malaysia

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imperialrealcs
post Jun 28 2010, 05:27 PM

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QUOTE(ben83 @ Jun 26 2010, 11:41 AM)
ESP is different from Traction Control (normally known as TCS)
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can tell the difference?

QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jun 28 2010, 01:23 PM)
If ure impressed with this CBU /CKD bullshit, u must either be a salesman or someone who doesnt have internet access. So wht if its a CBU? U mean to say that CBU units have lesser problems than a CKD? If this is so, then your thinking is surely old school. All this CBU bullshit is the type of salesman talk that the ppl at Naza and Nasim fill u with. But i tell u its no big difference. My wife has a 3yrd old Kia (CBU) and she was just told to change her shock absorbers. Even the Kia centre told her the shock absorbers are not designed to last more than 80-90K km. What kind of CBU is this? My old 7 yr Toyota Vios is still running strong with all original parts despite running for around 135K. She has also had endless problems with her dashboard rattling since Year 1. (mind you she is a careful driver).

So please spare me this crap about CBU and the relevence to pricing. This Sonata will not sell well in Malaysia because everyone is terrified of the after sales service standards. Nobody gives a damn about it being a CBU. the Sonata is overaly priced. U think ppl are gonna choose the Sonate over a Camry just because its 11K cheaper? Common man! If its 20K difference then maybe ppl may have 2nd thoughts but with 11K, its a no brainer.

Toyota / Honda make great CKD cars with minimal complaints so this argument about CBU is a waste of time and space. Its old school.

(p/s sorry if i sounded harsh but im just fed up with all this CBU talk when i know its just a sale gimmick).
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just because u dont get good experience with ur CBU kia u make a big deal out of it..
my honda accord 2009 and city 2007 mix up go service center more than 10 times for warranty purpose and the toyota has faulty absorber just over 6months..
besides, u said ur car absorber still working good after 135k? can u actually prove it? mind u, just because it didnt leak doesnt mean it is still good and dont tell me u never change any wear and tear parts on ur car before yo:w
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post Jun 28 2010, 08:07 PM

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QUOTE(woengx2 @ Jun 28 2010, 08:04 PM)
I booked and has paid RM2K for deposit during Feb.2010 and has make my cancellation due to the below reasons :

1) The curve line at side look so nice at the first place, after some times it look bored.
2) Resale Value.
3) The front grille look so similar to the clown smiley face.  sweat.gif
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pic or it never happened..
dont u think ur reason are abit lame? try troll harder pls
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post Jun 29 2010, 04:33 PM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jun 29 2010, 11:00 AM)
U think all cars are built perfect? Even a Porsche has defects. When u rate quality u have to rate the NUMBER OF DEFECTS PER 100 UNITS. Thats how u rate the build quality. Not by just saying 1 Vios had to change the shock absorbers after 6 months (which i know to be untrue since u didnt provide any further details). Toyota has been rated as having the least problems per 100 vehicles in the world by JD Power & Associates. I shared this on a forum in Paultan as well. Honda is not known to have quality standards as high as Toyota for your info but still remains in the Top 10 for vehicle quality. When i complained about the Kia, i did so after MANY bad experiences. There are also makes from Hyundai in my family for your info and all of them have problems although Kia seems to have more issues.

I know alot more about cars then u think i do. I wouldnt be commenting on cars if i didnt have knowledge in the first place. I say my absorbers are good because of these factors:

1) Over bumps/deep dips in the road the car only bounces once (minimal bounce not excessive)
2) In emergency braking the car doesnt rock back & forth after coming to a full stop
3) During hard braking, the car doesnt sway from left to right. It remains straight and has an alligned stop.
4) The car does not nose dive under emergency braking
5) The car is stable at high speeds (120-130kmph) on the highway even on sharp bends

All this happens even with a full load of 3 adults sitting at the back.  For your info, this is 1 of the parts i always get the Toyota SC to pay attention to during my regular maintenence in addition to the brake pads and disk brakes.

So now care to tell me if my shock absorbers are in good condition or otherwise?
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bro, u said it urself in the bolded one.. so why always take ur wife korean for example? what about getting 100 person that have same defect and voice it out together? u think ur wife car is representative for all korean car?
if what u claim about ur vios is true, then congratulations, ur toyota is really the best, although it is still the lowest line in toyota car list laugh.gif
and dont get me wrong, i never said i drive vios.. im driving toyota avanza as well and the shocks really did spoilt within 6months and i successfully claimed it although with some arguement that absorbers are wear and tear parts but hey, at least it can sit 7 person with "reasonable" price back then before its competitor unleash their own range of small mpv whistling.gif

now u support ur vios coz it got no defect, but what if u got a defective vios? i think u gona curse up and down by then laugh.gif
just like my case, yeah, honda, nissan, toyota, perodua, proton i owned before but owning all this car tells me that no car is perfect and no manufacture is superior than the other..
all my cars has fair share of their problem and im not ashamed of sharing that (unlike some ppl) coz it is the fact..

old korean car are indeed problematic, i never deny that but seeing how they progress over this few years compared to other japs car, it gets me thinking.. if korean can create such car and price way lower than japanese, what are we actually paying for in japs? reliability? performance? egoism?
just because u dont dig it u dont have to be hostile over the koreans.. i did encounter problems (yes, all of the cars i mentioned) and yet i never shoot them like what u did.. just chill la bro, not all car is perfect like ur highly vios biggrin.gif
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post Jun 29 2010, 04:50 PM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jun 29 2010, 04:43 PM)
u still cant understand eh? Did u remember me saying this:

When i complained about the Kia, i did so after MANY bad experiences. There are also makes from Hyundai in my family for your info and all of them have problems although Kia seems to have more issues.

Im not refering to just 1 issue unlike what you said. Even in the 2009 JD Power World Vehicle Dependability Survey, the Koreans manufacturers are not even in the top 10. Hyundai ranks No 11 while Kia ranks 20. Why do u think this is so?
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so u recommend me to be like u, bashing all the japs coz my honda accord 2009 got faulty engine mounting, loud engine whinning noise, defective wheel bearing, clinking noise in cabin? dont get me start with the city, toyota and nissan rclxub.gif shakehead.gif

i dont care what the JD power bla bla bla said.. i buy what i deem worth and it is entirely up to my decision and ppl like u nor the jdpower bla bla bla wont change my mind easily laugh.gif
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post Jun 30 2010, 12:58 AM

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QUOTE(wind01 @ Jun 30 2010, 12:42 AM)
Common guys. Let's focus on Sonata.

cybermaster98 had his experience. To him: -

1. Bad Koreans car...it's OK
2. His 7 years Vios still kicking good...it's OK
3. Toyota SC is excellent in service (to him)...it's OK
4. Vios sells better...it's OK.
5. Etc (sorry...forgot wht else)...it's OK

He is talking about his opinion. We are talking bout how gorgeous & tech fit the Sonata are.

Eg.

When I buy my Forte. PPl say: -

1. Korean car no re-sale value. I dun buy a car to sell. I buy bcoz I like it.
2. Korean car got problem. I say tht's old generation...now it's a completely new line of product.
3. New line ? Reliable or not ? I say...wait for my news in 3 years
4. 3 years ? ...if got problem how. I hv never think tht far.
5.Korean car FC very bad. Well, such heavy car....wif RM0.16-RM0.18 per KM (for Forte)....OK lah. But kanot fight wif Vios or City.
6. Korean car space parts expensive. I say it's about same price with Honda/ Toyota. Official SC price. Dun compare wif Chop shop.

The most important things is buy something u like & enjoy the ride. Be confident in ur choice. It's ur money.

I certainly enjoy my ride ! Forte rocks.  biggrin.gif
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they are not in the same category anyway.. is it better than the civic/altis range?
and yeah, i fully support what u said, i buy car for me to enjoy, not to satisfy the market..
just because myvi is top seller doesnt mean i must buy myvi if im not comfortable with it and vice versa
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