If really want to follow the chart, then i assume you will not drive Nissan, Mazda, mitsubishi, jaguar, volvo,audi ...etc....right? coz they all rank lower then the korean cars.

Right, he will Not cos he's the No.1 infamous T & H diehard fan.

Common guys. Let's focus on Sonata.

cybermaster98 had his experience. To him: -

1. Bad Koreans car...it's OK
2. His 7 years Vios still kicking good...it's OK
3. Toyota SC is excellent in service (to him)...it's OK
4. Vios sells better...it's OK.
5. Etc (sorry...forgot wht else)...it's OK

He is talking about his opinion. We are talking bout how gorgeous & tech fit the Sonata are.

Eg.

When I buy my Forte. PPl say: -

1. Korean car no re-sale value. I dun buy a car to sell. I buy bcoz I like it.
2. Korean car got problem. I say tht's old generation...now it's a completely new line of product.
3. New line ? Reliable or not ? I say...wait for my news in 3 years
4. 3 years ? ...if got problem how. I hv never think tht far.
5.Korean car FC very bad. Well, such heavy car....wif RM0.16-RM0.18 per KM (for Forte)....OK lah. But kanot fight wif Vios or City.
6. Korean car space parts expensive. I say it's about same price with Honda/ Toyota. Official SC price. Dun compare wif Chop shop.

The most important things is buy something u like & enjoy the ride. Be confident in ur choice. It's ur money.

I certainly enjoy my ride ! Forte rocks.

they are not in the same category anyway.. is it better than the civic/altis range?
and yeah, i fully support what u said, i buy car for me to enjoy, not to satisfy the market..
just because myvi is top seller doesnt mean i must buy myvi if im not comfortable with it and vice versa

I've given out Forte general FC.

Probably can compare against them in the Altis or Civic thread. My long guess would be they are about the same.




For me, i choose a value for money car with the best safety features, bigger that is within my budget & the good looks was an added bonus

I have made a booking on Forte 2.0 recently.
The reason why Forte is chosen is because of many oversea positive reviews of the car. It may not be the best in every areas of the car performance, however, some qualities and features are either on par or better than the Japanese counterparts.
To spend another extra RM30K--40K for a Japanese equivalence in Malaysia is TOTALLY INSANE.
And why we have to worry about the car service as it can be done easily at any Naza Kia workshop. A modern new car would not easily breakdown as long as you have not abused it and serviced regularly.
Regarding about the Forte or sonata resale value would be largely depend on the supply and demand in the future. Moreover, the saving of over RM30K-40K + interest of 5 to 7 years will give you a great lump sum when you decided to sell your car. (however, this rule only apply to Forte as Sonata pricing is too close to the Japanese counterparts)
SD, reduce your price, don't kill a nice product.

wow bro~ just becoz u buy a Forte and u saying thousands and thousands of Altis & Civic owners in Malaysia are INSANE~ haha
IMO, what a INSANE comment is this..

all car value depreciates.. like it or not.. the difference is just that how much it drops ?

if your concern is in this, then can i suggest you get a proton or perodua .. lol

my potong waja 1.6 2003 bought at 62k
now after 7 years selling 22k (roughly)

40k lost in 7 years period.. im losing 5.7k per year

compared to my fren's civic 2007 136k
now after 3 years selling 100k

36k lost in 3 years period translate to 12k lost annually

anyway with these players ford/chevy/peugeot/citroen/hyundai/kia in the market this will provide more choices to the buyers provided that they price their offerings competitively within the same price bracket as the all time favourite T and H

Yes the Kia Forte is priced well but despite this the negative perception brought about by the local dealerships and service centres are bringing the car sales down. The Sonata is dead man's land. The pricing is too close to the Camry / Accord.

My dear friend, you cannot really compare with cars like Jaguar, Audi, atc as this is a survey based on complaints received from owners during the 1st 3 yrs of ownership. If a car production is very much lower and u have even a few complaints, your ratings will drop drastically. For this survey to be accurate u need to compare cars within a specific range e.g Toyota, GM, Honda, Hyundai & Nissan in 1 group since their production is the highest compared to other makes.

Again this is based on complaints raised by owners. Nothing is mentioned whether its major / minor problems. There are other sections in the survey which needs to be looked at to get an overall idea of the results. If u only have minor cosmetic problems, that wouldnt stop anybody from owning that car.

There was a big case a few months back in the US where a car owner sued Mercedes Benz for his malfunctioning brand new Merc . If im not mistaken he was paid a large sum of money in an out of court settlement. Does this mean Mercs are bad? Of course not.

No car is perfect. Every car will have issues. Ratings like this are meant to give us a general idea of the particular make. But as ive said before, the Koreans have improved alot and im sure they will improve further. But as long as their sales and service centres are controlled by these cronies, their sales will never be able to challenge the Japs for a long time.

Cheers!

First of all, its common knowledge that resale values for most cars drop the most in the first 4 yrs. So if u sell your car within that period chances are u will face heavy losses. Its only after that does the price stabilise a little. So u cannot really compare the resale values for a 7yr old car against a 3rd old car. U cant make such direct comparisons. If u wanna compare then compare against cars of the same age.

U must also remember that cars in the higher cc bracket lose their values faster than smaller cars simply due to the demand and supply equation. 2nd hand car values are directly connected to the initial sale figures. If u have poor sales, chances are your resale value will be poor. This is especially accurate for non national cars.

e,g Toyota Vios 1.5E purchased for RM74,700 in 2003 now sells for approx RM46,000. A drop of only 39% over 7 yrs.

Let him talk. Ive spoken to many of these new owners of Korean makes (my family was some of them). All of them say the same stuff in the beginning. Great car, cheap service, good specs, etc when they first get the car. When they start paying for their service & replacement of parts after 3-4 yrs then the story will change.

When the Spectra 1st came out, everybody was saying the same thing. Ppl called it the revolutionary car who will finally be able to compete with the Japs. Now after so many years, nobody wants to touch a 2nd hand Spectra after all the horror stories. Now everybody is saying the same thing about the Forte. But in the past 7 months since its launch, its sales figures are barely 18% of the Vios despite all its latest gadgets and specs and better looks.

My wife was 1 of those who condemned Toyota after getting her Kia 4 yrs ago. When she got her Kia she gave me the same crap. Toyota too expensive, ripping off customers, why spend so much, etc. And now after 4 yrs she cant wait to get rid of her Kia but sadly the resale value is so crap. Now she says 'Never Again'. Now she realises the difference between Toyota and the Korean makes.

In saying this i must say that the Forte is surely a class above the Spectra and the Vios for sure. It does have good specs and looks. Its also competitively priced. But sadly, its the local dealerships and service centres which are keeping its sales figures down. Sad but true.

hi cybermaster,

i heard ur name thru my gf. nice to meet u. u r quite famous when comes to korean cars. maybe KIA needs to get u to promote some cars for them. give them a price tag

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Added on June 30, 2010, 10:19 amback to sonata topic. i think its a beautiful car. get it if u like, its that simple. dont need to think too much.

This post has been edited by zoomckng: Jun 30 2010, 10:19 AM

1st, you brought out the JD power survey rating to convince us toyota have a better realiability then korean car, but now u suggest that the JD power survey might not be accurate .....

and as i understand, the rating is by defect/ 100 cars, so i dun think low production will affect the rating, it is base on 100 car but not total production numbers. if we are looking at percentage, then production numbers will come into the picture.

This post has been edited by choonwai11: Jun 30 2010, 11:08 AM

No doubt Hyundai car quality and performance has improve a lot, but they shouldn't be over confidence to place themselves same level as T&H brand that dominate the market for over 20 years, they should continue with cheaper price to penetrate the market and gain bigger share first; from the Sonata new price tag, I think Hyundai Avante high-spec will be over RM100k. . .

Did i say the survey is NOT accurate? I said u need to compare cars within a RANGE of production. The overall production does matter since the chances of defects increase with higher production numbers. Note i said CHANCES.

yea cars they bringing in now from korea are OK. same models they r marketing to the US. can use it with confident. dont overthink and be too worried. the car market is opening up slowly

If the 1.6L Hyundai Avante (High spec) is above 100K, that will kill the car for sure. Civic 1.8 is about RM114 only. Kia Forte 2.0 bout RM 94K.

Eh how does your gf know me?

jd power is a reputation company and i strongly believe they come out with a correct rating, if they can put all the brand in one chart, means that all brand are to be compared.
Maybe you knew so much about cars that u felt you are able to suggest better ways to interprete the chart then JD power.