who wants to buy a car with headache afterwards?high maintenance cost,need to change this that, supply chain problem for the sake of owning a Korean?

that's not worth every penny...what people want is peace of mind..and that is why honda and toyota excel in that

erm...on 1 hand you want competitiveness on all cars. on the other hand you mention only of quality issue of korean makes (as if japs/conti are free from it).

the way we (neutral people) sees it, you are still bashing korean makes without much constructiveness. (with exception on the aftersales services, which again as with quality, not disputed by others since we know it too).

you are pretty much a keyboard warrior, hahaha...or wait, you should be a samurai!!! keyboard samurai....^^

p/s: everyone wants not only cheaper jap makes, but also to have them keep in check their recent quality control. fit & finish of newer models are definately falling from the days of kaizen approach.

U still dont get it do u? Nevermind. Ive said what ive said and i will stand by it (as ive done all this while). You are neither neutral not constructive. Ure just shooting blanks as usual.

Cheers!

Forte numbers are clearly increasing on the road??? Of course it is increasing! Even if u sell 1 car a month the numbers will increase. The issue is HOW MANY ARE SOLD. Forte sells about 500+ units a month. This has been the case for the past few months. If u ask me this is bad. Forte is a brand new model with good specs and a refreshed look and it only sells 500+? The Vios is an old model and only got facelifted and yet it sells 3300+ per month. The Civic is also 4 yrs old and yet it sells more units than the Forte.

Let me summarize my comments (again):

1) Korean makes have always proven to be of inferior quality since the good old days. The worldwide satisfaction survey proves this.
2) The newer models may have improved in quality but we will only know in about 2 yrs time when parts start breaking down and require replacement. Nobody can effectively say whether quality has or has not improved on these newer models.
3) The after sales service quality and standards have not changed and will not change as long its controlled by the local destributers/ service centres
4) The resale values will continue to be poor as long as the original sale figures are low
5) Cost of part replacement have and will still be relatively more expensive compared to Toyota & Honda
6) The Sonata has been poorly priced unlike the Forte and WILL lose out to the Camry & Accord especially since the new Camry is due next year while the Accord will be facelifted this year.
7) The Korean makes coming out now are getting better in terms of specs and styling
8) The Korean makes must be priced at least 25-35K lower than a corresponding Jap model in order to become competitive.
This is what i have been saying all this while either in this forum or in others. Nothing has changed. Its only ppl's interpretation of my words which has muddled things up sometimes. It could be due to the lack of English proficiency for some of them.

My only intention is to obtain competitive pricing for all cars. I want cheaper Toyota's and Honda's. I also want the Korean makes to improve on their quality, after sales service and resale values. I believe this is what everybody wants. But how can u expect to achieve this if we dont provide constructive critisisms? If everybody keeps prasing the new Korean makes just cause they have better specs and styling, the local distributers will just sit back and wait for things to happen as what is happening now.

Hope this finally clears things up for everyone.

Cheers!

you are a funny guy. wanna be clown?
did you do your own research before posting your ridiculous point here?

naza never target over 1K monthly. Their target is to achieve 6K per annum that reflect 500 fortes per month.
now the figure still below the target because of january sales not so good. so before you speak or type to be exact.. just do your own research and not bashing like an idiot

you are a funny guy. wanna be clown?
did you do your own research before posting your ridiculous point here?

naza never target over 1K monthly from the beginning. Their target is to achieve 6K per annum that reflect 500 fortes per month.
now the figure still below the target because of january sales not so good. they'll increase the target once Gurun plant 100% being setup to cater SEA demand. as at now, they hardly can distribute over 500 cars per month in malaysia alone. so before you speak or type to be exact.. just do your own research and not bashing like an idiot

You are the clown and the silly guy. U talk without thinking or reading previous posts. Ive already explained before but for the sake of kids like u who dont bother to read ill repeat it:

Car manufacturers will always say that the max production is X amount. This is merely to ward off unwelcomed comments that the car isnt selling well. But just ask yourself this. If there were 2000 ppl queing up to buy the Forte every month, wouldnt it be perfectly natural to ramp up production to cater for the increased demand like what Perodua is currently doing for the Alza? Why after 7 months, there is no ramping up of production of the Forte? Simply because the demand does not warrant an increase. Please dont blindly believe statements released by Gov cronies.

Its the same excuse that Honda gave for the City. Since its launch and despite all its advanced features, its numbers have never come close to the Vios. So they released a statement saying that they were running at max capacity bla bla bla. But now with the same sales numbers , some sales outlets actually have ready stock of the City and no sign of the so called backlog which Honda claims.

Next time READ ALL POSTS BEFORE COMMENTING AND EMBARASSING YOURSELF.

i never was trying to be constructive (at least not towards a samurai). i don't plan to buy a korean make at this time, but at the same time i don't have the kind of perception you have of korean makes until the point of bashing them.

and i am driving the best selling toyota platform for years now, so you don't have to retell everyone here again and again how good they are. we know. but what other see is, korean make isn't so bad anymore, at least picking up on pace on alot of issues.

local distributor is our local problem, not a KIA/hyundai related problem.

you, don't seem to accept that.

You are the clown and the silly guy. U talk without thinking or reading previous posts. Ive already explained before but for the sake of kids like u who dont bother to read ill repeat it:

Car manufacturers will always say that the max production is X amount. This is merely to ward off unwelcomed comments that the car isnt selling well. But just ask yourself this. If there were 2000 ppl queing up to buy the Forte every month, wouldnt it be perfectly natural to ramp up production to cater for the increased demand like what Perodua is currently doing for the Alza? Why after 7 months, there is no ramping up of production of the Forte? Simply because the demand does not warrant an increase. Please dont blindly believe statements released by Gov cronies.

Its the same excuse that Honda gave for the City. Since its launch and despite all its advanced features, its numbers have never come close to the Vios. So they released a statement saying that they were running at max capacity bla bla bla. But now with the same sales numbers , some sales outlets actually have ready stock of the City and no sign of the so called backlog which Honda claims.

Next time READ ALL POSTS BEFORE COMMENTING AND EMBARASSING YOURSELF.

i think tis tread gonna become off topic...i tot is talkin about sonata???how come is bashing other brand car wan?????nid mod do somethin about it

hahaha. naza mention it during early days of forte on malaysian road. its end of year 2009.
and i also said that gurun is still not 100% in production, didn't i?

your name is really what u are.. cybermaster aka cyber warrior.. talk nonsense

i think tis tread gonna become off topic...i tot is talkin about sonata???how come is bashing other brand car wan?????nid mod do somethin about it

Yes, this is all about sonata 2011...
But eventually after someone elaborate further until it becomes Korean makes vs Japanese makes.
Worst still, it became previous gen Korean cars = new gen Korean cars = all Korean cars...all put an equal sign.

Naza Kia achieved top 20 for its model Forte is an achievement although they can do better. Considering the predecessors Kia Sephia & Spectra does not really has a strong name in this market. On top of that both the Honda & Toyota factories itself is already bigger than Naza Kia's. This is not yet considering the Forte is bringing as a CBU unit for months since its launching late last year. Kept comparing the Forte with the market leaders on every aspects will make you a biased hater instead of being logical.

Naza Kia achieved top 20 for its model Forte is an achievement although they can do better. Considering the predecessors Kia Sephia & Spectra does not really has a strong name in this market. On top of that both the Honda & Toyota factories itself is already bigger than Naza Kia's. This is not yet considering the Forte is bringing as a CBU unit for months since its launching late last year. Kept comparing the Forte with the market leaders on every aspects will make you a biased hater instead of being logical.