hi guy,

is it worth to sign up a mobile plan which can buy the phone for low price or get free phone?

PS: i seldom make call, using prepaid now, still alot of credit cannot finish ... ;P

why not? if u calculate the amount they give u for the phone, its almost the same. but u get free mins that u can use to spam ur frens in Malaysia.

when you hand over your passport, the counter officer send your car number and head count to the display panel at the check point. It is for them to check for any "extra" person in your car.

if i just plan to stay here bout 1 yr only? cos mostly is need to sign contract for 2 yrs.
what if i cancel the contract within 2 yrs?

They also have x-ray scanners underneath.

Then you kena "denda". I was on 2-yr contract with Singtel (iOne Plus student plan), if I cancel < 2 year I have to pay Singtel $S500.

This post has been edited by cks2k2: May 14 2010, 10:35 AM

WAH!!!!

$500 ... that's alot .... mean if you break the contract, is not a free phone for you anymore ...

Hello guys, i have a friend who got offer from Singapore company for SGD3800 and he also got an offer from AT&T in cyberjaya RM7000..
Which one is better?

In term of:
1.Job exposure, career development
2.Standard of living
3.Money

Please advice..he is in a great dilemma now

SG job is MNC as well?..he got family?

1.Job exposure, career development

Manager in AT&T Cyberjaya vs Exec in Singapore? No brainer... the managerial exposure and experience will outstrip whatever low level experience he gains in Singapore.

2.Standard of living

RM7000 is pretty comfortable in KL. Firmly middle class. S$3800 is okay in Singapore, but on the low side. The only advantage is the S$ exchange rate allows you to buy more imported stuff. But then again, the S$ salary is practically only half of the RM salary... and that removes most of the exchange rate difference.

3.Money

Like I said, the big difference in salaries removes the S$ exchange rate advantage.

All in all, the big salary difference offers very little financial incentive and comes with a significant career downgrade. Thumbs down.

the job he got from SG is MNC...as what i knw he is single and his parent is in malaysia.

for me ...
RM7K more than enough to survive in KL, you can get a property for yourself, which is impossible for you to do so in SG, which is the rental that you pay is enough for you installment for a apartment in KL.

if i have such offer in KL, definitely i stay at KL.


in MY, dont forget tat you will get ur EPF, not in sg unless u r PR.

Seantang thanks for your reply!

I m not sure whether the job u offered by AT&T is manager level or not..but most probably both also engineer level, Non-management position.

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Added on May 14, 2010, 11:58 amHis only concern now is about job challenges, job exposure and the opportunitues he can get in SG. He believes that he can develop his career better in SG. In my opinion, if you work in singapore before your resume will be more shinning...correct me if i am wrong.

FYI.. His current salary is around rm5k, is it wise to downgrade it to 3.8k sgd?

This post has been edited by f.e.a.r: May 14 2010, 12:03 PM

Simply working in Singapore doesn't make your resume shine. It's what you do, not where you do it.

In any resume, having 7000 worth of duties & responsibilities has a very different meaning compared to having 3800 worth of duties & responsibilities. The S$ to RM in terms of job size & responsibilities is generally 1:1.

If I see 2 resumes... one with a RM7K job and the other with a S$3.8K job... immediately I can come to a conclusion who has the more important job with bigger decision making responsibilities. I would think that the the former is a mid-career junior manager (managing either people, process or revenue) and the latter is probably a fresh grad with 2 or so years of experience doing some sort of very junior exec work.

I have guess so. S$3800 is Engineer level, not the manager pay. If I am 20+, I will take the SG offer with an intention to go global from SG. If I am 30+ I will ask for at least S$5k before coming to SG (he must be good to get rm7k offer from AT&T right?) if not housing and transport allowances.

The Rm7k offer better living quality than what S$3.8k can offer. The jobs prospect from SG may be good but the starting pay is a bit low for him.

If he become a manager in SG after a few years, then the his SG pay will be ~S$10k. That will be make a difference.

SG Housing cost is a major factor, being single and just $3.8k he can only rent a place to stay. Imagine paying RM1k rental per month!

Let's be frank. His pay is not going to jump from S$3.8K to S$10K in a few years... unless he's very lucky or has very good timing.

However, if he goes for that RM7K job in AT&T and after a couple of years, move to Sg from there - S$10K won't be far off.

oh well thanks for all your advice, but anyway he already rejected AT&T offer and accept the SG job just now. So we will have a new member to join us soon...

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Added on May 14, 2010, 1:17 pmGood one, but too late. When the time i contact him to read this forum he already rejected AT&T.

This post has been edited by f.e.a.r: May 14 2010, 01:17 PM

Your friend will be regret to hell. Bank my words today.

As many previous posts mentioned, Rm7k job is a middle management pay in Msia; it definately has better career perspective compare to S3.8k which in singapore only entry level.

My SIL who hasn't even step out of school will start working next month at Singapore with a starting pay of S3.4k with ZERO working experiance. S3.8k is like 1-2 experiance pay in Singapore. After your friend finds out his pay is lower than some 2 years experiance young man, he will sure bang himself agaisnt the wall.

It is a no brainer decision to accept a higher profile job, get the experiance then jump ship to Singapore for managerial position which easily can fecth double of what he is being offered now.

This post has been edited by KLsooner: May 14 2010, 01:35 PM

that's why I say "IF". Out of 10~20 engineer, may be one will get promoted to manager within 10 years, some maybe 5 years. Imo, enginnering firm prefer a person who knows its internal practices and culture to be a department manager, a person they trust. Between a person who work with the company for few years and a total stranger from malaysia AT&T, say same quality, the former will have higher chance. This may not apply to director post.

This post has been edited by r1v3r: May 14 2010, 02:06 PM

True for any company. However, this implies that the 2 people have a chance to compete for that job in the first place.

What I'm saying is that someone who earns S$/RM3.8K will simply not be operating at nor competing for the same jobs as someone who's earning S$/RM7K.

The internal chap who earns S$3.8K won't be even be considered for that job. Perhaps another internal person who earns S$6K or S$7K will compete favourably against the outsider earning RM7K, but not someone who only earns S$3.8K despite being an insider.

tbh I'd take the Rm7k job too. AT&T is a respectable co and a RM7k job probably has a fair amount of international exposure.

And you're in our lovely (BIG) country, not the pent up, claustrophobic country of Singapore.