I checked before, Melaka Swiftlet Association entrance fee is RM3000. To me, that is expensive.

Makes one wonder if this is some kind of elite private club or a trade association doesn't it?
Fools....., wait till 1GP is published and the PBTs implement their licensing regime and they start thinking abt the fee to charge.

pls check again as they have reduced it to few hundreds and only minimal for yearly fees.

as for selangor, one time payment of few hundreds, u are lifetime member.

the new fees are now extremely affordable, if compare to few years ago when we first joined, we paid over rm3k and yearly fees of rm600 a year. but we never complained as we know we are pioneers and if we don't start it up, no one will.

as if you think that your local association is not doing a good job, you can get few caliber friends and form your own association!.

Latest inquiry,Melaka BN Merchants Assocn, entrance fee RM1000, annual fee rm300. Cwg ,Melaka heritage city listed by Unesco so hv to pay a premium. Also a lot of bhs in heritage core zone.....property prices increase, bn prices up....whatever fees must be up. Wonder who is the president....hope he can look into yr complaint.

I have this to say to those who have BH in towns and refuse to be involve in the battle for the survivor for the BHs in town. Be prepare for what may come as you don't expect to share the fruits only when it's ripe and for that you may need to pay dearly for it.

1. If the Government do not allow or to move your BHs in afew years due to the many complaints and lack of support for the industry. You may not be able to sleep many nights..

If the government allow BHs in town and it doesn;t cover your area, you have yourself to be blamed as you didn't defend your BHs. Never expect other to defend it for you.

2. If the one of the requirements is that you must be registered with the Swiftlets Association before your can be given lessen, then you may be in trouble because the Association may delay your membership; refuse your application or even increase the registration fee many times for new members.

Above are only few possibilities that may happen if you think that you can afford to wait and see and just sit there and expect others to do the battle for all and alas, you expect to share the victory........as always, my concern on the matter only.



This post has been edited by West Wing: Jun 27 2010, 06:00 PM

Sahabat Alam Malaysia (SAM), i equate to an old, grumpy 'out of touch' veteran of war. Ignorant of new developments, still living in the past. Using the same term by Mohd. Anwar Zazal,"preposterous & intolerable". It's preposterous these old geezers still use the health issue. There is no known case of zoonotic diseases due to AF. What does he mean by social issues???? The swiftlets selling drugs to teenagers? The swiftlets offering sex services to government officials? Heritage issues? This one is rather unique. I'd rather they make SSP's as PART OF THE HERITAGE ITSELF since it is an age old tradition among the Chinese. SAM's president is also an arse. Its 'intolerable' to see heads of such NGO's being so ignorant of the facts. Sakit hati sangat. Sama la macam YDP's for some PBT's. If SAM is leaning towards zoning of BH's... and the state government complies... that will be a big mistake. Zoning (like what Negri Sembilan is trying to implement) will only limit new potential BH owners, what.... semua orang ada tanah bersepah2? Zoning will only benefit those bloody eco-park guys.

I'm still wondering what they mean by 'the swiftlet industry posed a conflict to the World Heritage listing'. Can't they just spell it out and not use vague terms? They can stop the mushrooming of new BH's (which by the way... is still up to the state government), but they should not disturb existing ones. The new 1GP just might enforce this. Lets not sit silently in our comfort zone and think, " Ala... takde hal punya, its hard for them to enforce la!"... until they come knocking on your door.

well, if they are sahabat alam malaysia, please contact them to come to selangor to see for themselves what had happened to all the forest reserves near to sungai tenggi!

all the forest reserves are been cleared out for REFORESTRATION!!!.

so, how about all those anti swiftlets n sahabat alam do spare some times to fight it!!..no, they dares not as they will then in conflict with all the top politicians.

they dares to speak up when they knew they are against the ordinary citizens but they will kowtow to those that in power!.

i am not anti govt but i anti those who destroy our environment.


as for if you are not a member of bn association and u cannot apply licence..i think we should not just have only one association in one state. don't make the same mistake that we all did in the past, we should have at least 5 to 10 associations in one state to help ordinary keepers.

there is no law stated that existing member is not allow to join another bn association. so, we will support any new bn association in malaysia. let us know if you need help to set up one.

we should not have one association representing the whole industry which is very very dangerous.

Tomorrow, there will be a dialog on export of EBN with the Veterinary Department if my info is right. I won't be going as I have other early commitment with my lawyer.

Time is 2.30pm and place @ Wisma Tani, Putrajaya......details, I don't know but will try to find more about it from friend attending it later. Hope that they will make it more easier to export EBN.

Who called for the meeting?
Was this meeting by invitation or selected folks only?

Fed. Asso. is involved and all key officers of the members Associations have been informed but who calling, I don't know and I did mentioned that I don't know the details.

Anyway, I just open my email now and they must have finished their meeting. I will try to get some news on the matter if you are interested to know.

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Added on June 29, 2010, 7:14 pmJust bought 2 acre of agriculture land for Rm320K and that's very expensive.

What to do as I have been waiting for the price to drop and it still go up due to the swiftlets fever...................just last year, the same area, per acre is only Rm45K and Rm100K last month and now Rm130K and it must be crazy. If I don't buy it, I am sure by the time I die, I still be planing to buy!!!!!!

So I closed both eyes and buy cos if I die. Some of my friends must be laughing as I told them that it's too expensive to buy agriculture land at such high price as no oil palm or rubber tree can generate enough even for the interest and I went and buy!!!!! So silly of me!!!!!

This post has been edited by West Wing: Jun 29 2010, 07:14 PM

swiftlet keepers are once called silly men by all....hehe...

rm130k is still cheap. rm300k an acre is expensive but still attractive. look at the price of agriland in sitiawan, even 2nd or 3rd lot from mainroad will cost you rm300k an acre.

a shop with grd flr rm1k rental can sell for rm500k to rm800k. talk about birds craze.

Expensive indeed. But what to do... at least you have a backup plan in the event town BH no longer allowed.
Assuming you purchased the land totally in cash and based on the past years Amanah Saham waswasan 2020 or ASM investment returns, your holding cost for the said RM320,000 agricultural land is approx RM20,000 per annum. Therefore the land must appreciate to RM420k or produce 25kg of white gold in 5 years time in order to match the holding cost.

good luck to you mr west wing.. haha..

subdivide in to say 10 lots.

construct & commission 3 storey (25' x 80') BH @ 300,000

Land Price = say 400,000 (including ancillary charges & holding cost)
Construction = 10 x 300,000 = RM3,000,000
total investment = RM4,000,000.00

to gradually sell each birdhouse from 6 months (50 nest) to 3 years (500 nest) after operation.

BH 1: Sold at RM350,000
BH 2: Sold at RM400,000
BH 3: Sold at RM450,000
BH 4: Sold at RM500,000
BH 5: Sold at RM550,000
BH 6: Sold at RM600,000
BH 7: Sold at RM650,000

Collection: RM3,500,000.00

wah...imagine what the BH 8 /BH 9 & BH 10 would be worth by then!

walet park!

good thinking & Kudos to Bro West Wing

Haha good idea. All this while individual BH owners cursed eco park players left and right but when money matters , we ourself think and do the same like the eco park player.
But that's reality.

Unc WW, yes I would, thank you.

Congrats, on your purchase.
Now you get to implement your ultimate standalone design that you have been toying with.


This post has been edited by Cergau: Jun 30 2010, 06:13 PM

RM320K for 2 acres, must be near to the road, considered very cheap already.

Nowadays, with RM320k, in Penang island, we only can buy half of a double storey terrace house, which land area not more than 1400 sqft.

Come to Johor lah, u can still find an acre less than RM80K agriculture land.

Hi engineer lee..which place of johor u recommend to buy an agricultural land for swiftlet farming?must be near the river??

This old bird is in an enviable position , bought a 2 acre agriland for rm320k which was going for rm90k in 09.Give it time he will be selling by the sq ft. Tell me wh type of investmt can give such a return besides robbing a bank.Like this no need to be a sw farmer lo,no hassle to attract birds n u know who. Any more land ah?
Just heard 400k 3 st "cant sell" shoplots now going for >750k a unit. >100 nests in a year thats why. Birdmen never fail to see the light but they sure screw up prices.
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