Around Sarikei there is no need to do bird testing. If you have any agriculture land and money just build and wait.

Build a good size BH and with the right technic you can retire in 4 years time.

This is not true at all. It is not that easy. As the town already very saturated with BH.

The AFs are not static. Their foraging area covers hundreds of kilometres. Your observation is normal. Good place to build.

Let me repeat good design,right technic, good sound,good aroma and patient !!! With these and you are still unsuccessful in Serikai then I advise you to give up BN farming and go do something else.

Our friend Tuck Fook mention "Moden BH " please take note , the days of renovating a dark room and some sound and hope for a good result is long gone.

My next BH will be built with composit materials and is burglar proof or at least they have to bring a backhoe and a couple of hours to break in. MY "IQ BH " took me a year to desigh and I will let you know the result in due cause. This quick built system is not cheap and take about 3 weeks to build a two stories BH and 1 month for a 3 stories BH.

Hi, all just found this thread, so, anyone got invest BH at Mukah, Sarawak.
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If I may add, it is the young birds that will move into a new BH and it is the old existing BHs that will provide the young birds. So the greater the number of young birds are being produced the better the chance getting a new BH filled up, quickly !

The other criteria is whether the surrounding area will have enough food for all the birds, perhaps Sarawak will not face that problem.

Bro,

Gong Xi Fa Cai

What is saturation, hundred or thousand and we shall let the birds decide that it time to stop as for now, we don't do it, other will and while we wait, other become rich and although the chances is lesser now but its still much better than any ventures or buz you can think off. when the good is running, we fish and also if all present BH owners cooperatem and believe in God ( God fearing) and breed the swiftlets, then all will have better chances to success sooner than we thought otherwise, a 3 years wait may prospone to 10 years. Good location and be patient will see the moon appearing.

Where is the Malaysia Boleh spirit and if other can,we can, too and may all of us be blessed with the riches from our God......IshaAllah, we all will be blessed.

Yes indeed we are all blessed. Just see what happens to other countries. Egypt in turmoil, Australia crippled by flood, Indonesia by volcanoes, U the SA cyclones etc etc.

Just to add a few lines for this business, it is not that simple as just to built and let the birds come to multiply. We still have to do a lot of monitoring, and improvement to make it a success. If encounter any problems this forummers elders sorry the worlds use are always ever ready to assist. We are indeed a BLESSED LOTS.

THANKS GOD FOR THAT AND HAPPY CHINESE NEW YEAR TO ALL, MAY THIS RABBIT YEAR BRINGS LOTS OF HARVESTS OF WHITE GOLD TO ALL!

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Added on February 6, 2011, 8:56 pmHi Ben,

Glad to see your posting in this forum. Mind sharing your new BH design which is burglar prove? To built a 3 stories in 4 weeks is very fast. How I hope you are here in Terengganu to share your knowledge.

I am now having problem with mold on nesting planks and just used copper brush to clean off, hope it is sufficient. Another is most tweeters need rewiring due to poor wiring system used by the contractors. May be those in KT who have good wiring contractors can help me. I just found out why no birds building nests at the other end because the internal tweeters at this end are not working

This post has been edited by swiftlailai: Feb 6 2011, 08:56 PM

Hi happy new year to you. will be building shortly and only when I can show better result compare to the present system I can claim success . of cause it have to be cost effective, security aspect is prime consideration in this case. The first building built in Australia was built in 1971 so durability is not a problem and should out live me.

Of cause I can share my experience to people I know personally as we are aware that there are many smart Alex who will take any opportunity to contradict anything under the sky.

I am a BH developer and sold 5 BHs between end 1909 and 10 . The result must be OK! last year built and commissioned 10 BHs this gives me the Opportunity to keep fine tune the next BH.

Next BH is Called " IQ BH" with new materials and best design base on the last 10 BH taking into consideration the size and hight of the building. The size of the LMB so to control the light density and humidity . I am Still designing the ventilation system with the help of a kind gentelman from Penang. This is to prevent condensation and thus fungus growth.

Most important point shaw your buyer the total amount of usable nesting room in this
24 x 60 x 3 stories BH. Good value for money !!!

In every thing you you must have a winning edge of say 10 percent . If you can achieve this in the BN business you will be laughing all the way to the bank and a bunch of happy And proud BH owners.

Answer to your next question . I have little interest in The BN itself I can generate much more monetary reward doing something else. The challenge of putting a crew together and building a BH in record time and then pulllllll in the birds and build nests really turns me on !

I have been contacted by many friends for advise almost on a daily basis and help where I can . I Apologize to some callers who I do not know and I am reluctant to engage in any serious discussions for obvious reasons . Sorry Man I hope no offend please .

This is mean to be for fun reading only and my 6 cents worth.

Last year has been a good year for most of us and God has been kind and the new year shall bring more goodies as Rabbit year is a blessed year for all....so open all your pockets ( make sure that you do have trouser with many pockets) and stay in the line of CSY, the God of Wealth (swiftlets path) and you shall soon see white gold hanging up @ ceiling top even the walls so much that there is no more space for white gold nuggets to hang.

I wish all the above for all of you here.

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Added on February 7, 2011, 12:41 pmLet discuss the pro and con of having BH @ BHs populated area and isolate area and which is better as many have defferent opinion ove the matter.
My opinions to share.
1. To build a BH @ populated area must have the follow criteria

a.If there are many successful BHs in the area, then go ahead as your chances of success is far greater than trying out in a no BH area. If not and should all are all new BHs, you will find it rather very difficult to attract birds. So, to attract birds is very strong competition and each one owner will try to outdo the others so do it only if you are “not think but confident that you are better than the rest.

b. Here, some experts advice may be seek to booster your chances of success…..but make sure that the Consultant is real Sifu and not a fake like a guy I heard that for the past few years engaged more than 6 CONs for the job and till today, have less than 10 nests …….my apologies if hurt any feeling…..as it’s still CNY.

2. To build a BH @ agriland or no BH area.

a. Here, you need to do case study to determine if the area is a suitable area for BH construction but bear in mind that even if someone has done a study there before many years ago and find it unsuitable doesn’t mean that now is the same as the birds area will spread so do a new study on the matter. Do it only when you have position reading and not otherwise. If the land belongs to you, then do a study on the land every year or two.

b. At such area, you do have the advantage of not having to compete with other to attract birds and if you do it OK, birds will fly in and build nest as I have seen successful BHs in such remote areas and even just one storey and very small due to lack of capital, the BH is full with nests……only if you are staying at the location or very remote or else, you plant the trees, monkeys steal the fruits.

c. Obviously, a Sifu’s help in the construction of BH is better as it speed up your success rate in all cases provided of course, that the Sifu engaged is Sifu in D trade and not of another type of trade.

d. Unlike in town's BHs where most of the owners do allow the birds to breed, most successful Agriland BHs owners don't for the very reason known to us and that's the reason that I objected to the 36fts. building height limitation. So, in agriland, concentration of BHs are not good for new BH as no new fledged bird will come from these nearby BHs...and the incoming migrating new birds will obviously choose the old BHs instead of your new BH unless you are a superSifu.... .a sad but true story and hope that I am wrong.

e. Sometime in such isolated standalone area, you can’t believe your own eyes as what you see in your new BH is surprising wonderful and no new BH in populated area can beat such standard. There may be some here but they are not going to share for fear of other rushing to build BH in the area and also for other reasons. I have such experience before as a friend invited me to go to his land to see if the area is good for BH and it happened to be next to another friend’s new BH. When I phoned up this friend to ask about the BH and was told that the BH has very little nests but when I talked to his workers about the BH and was inform that the last harvest is about 4 K nests……….wonder if 4 K nests is very little for a BH of less than a year.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Feb 7 2011, 04:22 PM

Gong Xi Fatt Cai to all breeders, readers, bloggers, governors etc.

May I ask if there is any Teluk Intan breeder here? Any problem/kacau with the town council so far? Town council issue any license? Understand from some developer, no license issued no problem so far. What is your comment?

Gong Xi Fa Cai to all

hi Bobby

hope this news article will give you some idea of BH licensing situation in Teluk Intan. Some 500 licences were issued there.

http://swiftletguide.blogspot.com/2009/06/...let-saliva.html

This post has been edited by swiftcurrent: Feb 8 2011, 02:32 PM

Thanks you Swiftcurrent for your kind and swift reply!

Just notice one commercial development next to residential estate but also next to hotspot. Still think think whether can invest. Other can, why not. Sound issue can be settled, up to breeder jurisdiction.

you are most welcome. Glad that some of these old news articles can be useful reference material some day.

in T.Intan nowadays there are many new shoplots developed with top floors that are designed for conversion to BH eg.dog kennel on roof nicely flushed in. Happy hunting, do tell us of progress

Any idea if Sungai Petani in Penang is a good place to start this?

In 1GP, new BHs in town is mostly a No NO so be careful and one friend has gone to the Majlis @ Sepang to check and was informed that there is no guildline over the matter so there is no problem in building @ town but the suggestion is still the same" Best do it @ agriland and be safe". As in the above shoplot designed for BH, why not get the developer to apply the shoplots to be converted to BH lots and save all the future problems. The developer may even mark up the price as BH investors will pay more for the assurance that what sweat they put in will not go up in smoke.

Having said so, I have check it out with the Fed Swiftlets Association and was informed that the present ones can remain and new ones are not allowed so you determine and decide your own destination on the matter. Here, we are again blurred by what "present" stand for; Today as present or effective from a certain date like 01/01/2001 or other date!!!!!

I support town's BHs and has no liking for agriland BHs as it is very risky to build one @ agriland but no choice, I also have to think of agriland for my future expansion of BHs. My very first BH @ Agriland is just starting and I hope that I will be successful but I really do not have the confidence like I have for town.

Reason why.

1. To build one, one must consider the suitability of the area and that I did.
2. One must think of how to build a good BH for the birds but then also must think how to make the BH safe and sound. These two contradicted each other in so many ways and to build one really crack my tiny head ( although I have a large head).
3. For their safety, I hope that the birds do like what I design and create just for them as my cost of building it exceed 500K which normally cost 300K.
4. Anyway, I still proceed even if my coffer run dry as what's derive from them, go back to them to safeguard their offspring and may my noble deed be repaid with nests..........IshaAllah, I will success or else....I shall have a palace of my own to live alone.....

Even in town, row and row of BHs been broken in esp. 2S BH so what about the agriland?

Maybe, Friends here has some answer to my worries.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Feb 9 2011, 12:55 PM

Ideally, BH in farm the best but do town folks ie small fellows like us ie probably majority 80% of investors have any other options?

Unless you got many many hectares/acres of farm land where you can 'hide' you BHs, control the access/road to ur bhs or got some 'protection' or eyes from plantation workers else it is kind of similar like hole in the Bh where many loss their life. Tapping rubber nowadays also kena rob, palm oil kena steal, go farm house kena knock on the head, rob lucky not kena rape ... security main headache lah, besides high risk, predators and other stuff where harder to control compare with town BHs. When agri BHs still new not many birds not problem lah like predator those fellows know where to attack. Do we have any other choice?

Besides, bank also don't want to borrow u money for BHs in farm lah. Banks are smart, risk too high, build at ur own risk! Want to borrow, only borrow price for land!

Nowadays towns got too many many bhs, like the article in the blog T.Itan alone already 500 licenses issued. Other towns up north lagi scary, heard up to 1000, houses more than birds.

But security wise, yup there will be break in, petty thieves etc. But town bhs easier to manage, with many eyes around.

Yup, BHs in farms the 'best' but do we have any choice? Money or your life?!

This post has been edited by Bobby C: Feb 9 2011, 12:05 PM

hi dear Sifu,

Gong xi fat chai,

Just wanna to ask , is there any birdnets buyer here? I mean where can we sell our product to ? thanks


regards,

Everyone is robbing BH owners !

The burglar breaks in and clears a BH of it's nests, once only and you take measures to prevent a second time. The burglar makes off with what's in the BH, burglars' success will be dependent on the Bh's success.

The robber might rob you of what you are carrying and after that you'll be extra careful. Again the robbers' success depends on how much you have harvested

There is somebody else who'll rob you blind, whether your are successful or not ! The moment you submit your plans, you'll be robbed until the day you give up the BH.

Local council charges plan submission fees by the sq. ft. That is regardless of whether you have a single nest or not. Regardless of whether you are making any structural modifications or not.

Upon approval of plan, you'll be charged a yearly license fee. Kedah state charges Rm0.50 per sq.ft. on all floors except the ground floor. You can apply for the ground floor but it'll cost more per sq.ft. That is Rm 1000 for a 25ft. x 80ft. overall plan area per floor every year ! So, whether your BH is successful or not, local Council makes the money first.

Success or failure, pay up to local council to be allowed to operate a BH legally !

One has to question what services the local council provides for all the money collected from the BHs. Veterinary Services? But vet dept. also collects on the seminars, Vet dept. plan to introduce electronic tagging, I'm sure that won't be free ! Vet dept. also collects on Nests inspected for export, in cash and in kind !

Soon IRS will be knocking on our doors, at least they'll Tax according to our profits..............that's the rule, we hope !

This post has been edited by tuckfook: Feb 9 2011, 09:55 PM

Sad news after CGM, the 15th. as we are still in new year so everybody be Happy and smile cos God is watching us.

as the drum beat "Thong Thong Dong Chang, Dong Chang" ......... sound like stealing every thing!!!!!!! Hahahaha, Have a happy New Year and may the Majlis be kind to us.

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Added on February 10, 2011, 12:16 pmJust saw a utube on "integrated farming concept, swiftlet captive breeding system, aqualculture" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1R0yuhMKII and they put the swiftlets farming next to their chicken farm.......it's just like placing petrol near the fire and it may explode anytime. If any of the chicken is to get flu, then there is always a possibility that the swiftlets may get it as these swiftlets are hand feed and their workers hands or food maybe contaminated with chicken flu and spread it to the swiftlets. While free flying swiftlets will not get the flu, there are no assurance that the swiftlet captive breeding concept may not expose to the flu....then mati kita semus juga due to the ignorance of those big time guys coming in with their so called Integrated Swiftlets farming or captive breeding and they don't even bother to isolate the swiftlets away from the source of the prime problem facing the industry.

Although the swiftlets are Free from any diseases and maybe immune to the bird flu but these people are infact trying to make the swiftlet gets the flu by their methods of farming swiftlets. Hope the swiftlet are immune to chicken's flu as we know that the flu do mutate and can now spread to human.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Feb 10 2011, 12:16 PM