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 Fighting Spider Hunting Adventures Part 2, Share ur Exp in catching Fighting Spider

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post Apr 1 2011, 12:01 AM

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QUOTE(Urahinuk @ Mar 31 2011, 01:08 AM)
Bro Mindstorm, may i know what do you usually feed your Mangrove Jumpers with? rclxub.gif
Seems like they are not into the Pinhead Crickets.
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Very nice male u got there. Looks sizable too.
Yeah, they don't seem to like crickets although the females will eat them if there is nothing else.
I think this is because MJ usually live in the trees, so a ground insect like crickets are foreign to them.
i usually feed them with fruit flies or small housefly. The males usually eat less and smaller prey than the females.
Or you can try feeding it with other spiders brows.gif

btw, can i know who is the main commentator in the Buaya Spar1 vs Towkay GoodFighter match? although i can't understand what is being said in hokkien, his constant and fast comments made the already exciting match so much more interesting, just like a pro commentor in sports! kudos. notworthy.gif

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post Apr 4 2011, 04:53 PM

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QUOTE(Urahinuk @ Apr 1 2011, 11:52 AM)
2) Ura's Eiji vs Peter's Yamato[/b][/color][/i]
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Superb fight, superb defence by Eiji. Yamato gave a couple of really powerful chops to send Eiji backwards but that didn't deter Eiji from holding its ground and ultimately winning the match! Looks like Eiji is more matured so maybe experience pays...
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post Apr 24 2011, 02:55 AM

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QUOTE(Urahinuk @ Apr 14 2011, 01:12 AM)
Hello to all FS Bros..

Yes the HongKong Spiders has reached my place this morning at 11+am..!
Even this time is only Females, but just by seeing the Size already made me go Steamed...!! Currently i am holding on to 5 Females.. Bro Mindstorm please enlighten me how did you rear the FS Slings last time i might need to rear some myself and released some to the Wild and try let them breed in SG, hope they will multiply here.. icon_idea.gif
wow wow wow, what have i been missing?

wah, ura, the hk sub female really gigantic. Do you have eggsacs from them? or you already got slings?

I think the slings of sub op should be easier to rear than that of thiania because of their size difference. Last time I really had a difficult time trying to rear those slings of thiania because they were so tiny. Basically i keep them in containers with some leaves too. The tough part is getting enough food for them everyday. And their food have to be tiny in the beginning. So i collected springtails and also very tiny flies from compost heap in my garden to feed them. Failure to feed them daily will result in them being growing to be small adults or even dying off. If you can get them to moult 2 times then can switch to fruitflies and pinheads, it will be easier.

Since you have 5 of them, I don't mind buying a couple of them from you and trying to breed them here too. I will pay for shipment too. Or if you give a couple to me and i can successfully breed and raise them, I will then send you back half the brood. I can keep you updated on their progress as i go along. Let me know what u think.


Added on April 24, 2011, 3:05 am
QUOTE(leejason99 @ Apr 21 2011, 12:55 PM)
great, where do you guys catch fs? i would like to join
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I used to hunt in KL around parks and also housing estate wasteland. At times I also go back to my hometown in seremban to hunt. I did hunt in puchong area a couple of times but the fs here are not the strong type.

I prefer to hunt in KL area because the fs found there are mostly strong. Haven't hunt for some time leow. Maybe we can go around zoo negara area...havent explore that area yet, but i see a lot of potential. Viper u interested for some outing with our new friend here? brows.gif


Added on April 24, 2011, 3:21 am
QUOTE(viper88 @ Apr 21 2011, 03:31 PM)
Yeah Mindstorm, you havent tell us where u caught BigHead yet  hmm.gif
I didn't catch BigHead. My US friend, Mangrovejumper, caught it and gave it to me. He found it near the place we both went together before. biggrin.gif

Yeah, i agree with you that the T sub does not seem to be as aggresive as Thiania from the way they fight. But maybe that could be because we haven't seen enough of their fights? If got chop T sub... walow eh.
One curious thing i wonder is how come the hongkees like to fight the females but not the males. I saw in youtube that the males also can fight. Maybe they don't fight as long that's why? Seems strange to me. Or maybe very hard to find males.


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post May 5 2011, 10:59 PM

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QUOTE(Teochew Lao @ May 4 2011, 10:20 PM)
My New Acyrlic Housing For Fighting Spiders
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All the parts are dismantled, you can see from picture:
* the main acrylic box
* the sliding door with ventalition holes
* the square pot with plate for plants
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acrylic box with money plant put inside......
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all acrylic boxes placed together & placed on rack......
**All comments & criticism are welcomed

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Cool! Are you in the acrylic business? Otherwise it is not cheap having to custom-make one of those. How much did you make them for? My estimate maybe around S$30 plus? You use which thickness of acrylic? Acrylic really shot up in price these couple of years.
For me, I prefer to use fine netting over a large cut out hole at the top or side for ventilation otherwise your drilled/laser cut holes(I can't estimate how big the holes are from the pics) need to be very small to prevent fruit flies from flying out. It is more difficult to give water via the small cut holes, meaning you may have to open the cage to mist. With netting you can just mist without touching the cage. Just my 2 cents.
I don't really know but I see, like you also like to play with containers. Over the years of keeping fish, various live food and now having inverts and their live food, I can't tell you how many types of containers/diy cage I have... always buying different types and cutting them and testing them.

Wah, you got a rack specially set up to place your acrylic boxes? May i ask where you place the rack? Seems like a very classy display...
It would be a great talking point for guests if it was placed right in the living room! Be proud of your fighting spiders!


Added on May 5, 2011, 11:03 pm
QUOTE(leejason99 @ May 5 2011, 06:47 PM)
my area used to be jungle last time (tmn leng seng)

i went to the undevelop jungle, almost gave up when i caught only females

when i saw the white face in between of the leave, thats when my semangat tiba tiba naik...

I still hope to hunt together with you guys someday. still have not get confirmation from bro

mindstorm on next tuesday, anyone know how can i reach him?
Yo, so far I think next tuesday should be ok. Still need to confirm the time. Hopefully it can be in the morning. I'll sms u.

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post May 13 2011, 02:24 AM

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QUOTE(Teochew Lao @ May 6 2011, 12:31 AM)
Answers & Reply to Bro Mindstorm

Cool! Are you in the acrylic business?
No i'm not ,I got contractors to do it.

How much did you make them for?
S$100+@

You use which thickness of acrylic?
5mm

I can't estimate how big the holes are from the pics......
2mm in diameter- laser drilled

May i ask where you place the rack?
In the living room at middle height of wall
*The sliding door is right in front ,so just slide up to take care of plant +
   feeding of spiders also very easy, just drop crickets near leaf and they'll plunge for it.......


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wah, would really like to see how it works. Very innovative design.

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post May 13 2011, 03:04 AM

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Yeah, Tuesday I had fun going on a hunt with Bro Jason. Met up with him and he brought me to one of the nearby wasteland in Cheras. Pretty vast area and can go quite deep in. Although most of the leaves weren't the normal type of leaves we normally find fs, but there were plenty of them there. However, probably due to season, most of the fs there were females or growing ones. It was tough luck for me finding any males there, but Bro Jason was swift with his penknife in cutting plenty of CB leaves with nest attached and males inside! Some pics

Entrance to wasteland
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The TRADITIONAL FS HOUSING - match boxes!... to be precise-SUPERMAN matchboxes!
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Haha...that's only for backup i think, Bro Jason got other up-to-date housing...
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The CB trees there were actually few and far in between but Bro Jason managed to catch a couple of good size males from this one lone standing tree...
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A view at the entrance where we fought and culled some of smaller and weaker males
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We were there for about an hour plus before deciding to head to another place, hopefully to catch bigger males. We had lunch together and chatted about stuff before Bro Jason drove us to KL area for subsequent exploring.
Stopped at one of a favourite place introduced by Viper...
Bro Jason was astounded to the ease of finding so many males in a place like this situated just next to a busy road... This is where he got his 1st and 3rd king.
I too found 4 males here. We spent maybe less than an hour here before we are maxed out of containers. So had to drive somewhere to fight and rid of weaker males.
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Halfway driving to a nearby park, one of my males(the biggest one) escaped and surprised Bro Jason when he spotted it walking on his windscreen...
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We had many fights but almost all of them were pushes because most of the males, while having good size, seem still to be quite newly moulted. I'm sure with subsequent keeping and training, they will become better figthers. One old uncle came and watch most of the fights and had the usual comments..
"Nowadays very hard to find fs", "Last time the fs much bigger" etc. But i suspect he wasn't really pro because he said that this fs cannot be kept and will shrink very shortly after keeping them. But still , good to have a spectator. :)
Later we went to a few more promising looking places but unfortunately were practically void of fs..
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Last spot at a dead end in an area with expensive looking houses. Only caught one male there.
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All in all a great outing day, with Bro Jason taking all top 3 spots with his 1st, 2nd and 3rd king, all newly caught.. pushing out his old team before the day's hunt. I'll be keeping a couple of my bigger ones to see how they mature up.

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post May 17 2011, 12:21 AM

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WAHLEOW...Bro Jason... you really terror...i think if you keep up like this, whole cheras area will be comb clean by you alone soon. Tomorrow I can't go hunting cause I'll be working(I work on weekends and public holidays). I'm sure you'll again catch many more males. Hopefully we can meet up together again when our Singaporean brothers come up here.

Yeah... i agree with Bro Ura, be kind to our fs esp babies. Take them if you want to rear them but not for feeding la... so cham. Got lots of other food choice you can give mah. Who knows, a particular baby may grow up to a L size male in the wild, but if you feed it, that's the end of it before it got the chance to grow.
Also try to be careful about leaving your fs in hot car. Really a waste to have so many fs males dying for a reason which we can control. I too have made this mistake before a couple of times, but i think in my lifetime, max i killed not more that 5 fs this way. Nowadays, I am very careful about heat on my fs. Even when i carry them on my pouch, I will ensure they are kept in my shadow should I happen to walk under the hot sun. So I will keep turning my pouch to ensure the sun is not shinning directly on it. Bear in mind that sometimes, even if we can tahan the heat in the car, the fs may not be able to do so. FS should always be kept cool.

Anyway, really good to have another super-on fs kaki to post so many pics and clips in such a short time after joining.
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post Jun 2 2011, 12:27 AM

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QUOTE(Spideric @ Jun 1 2011, 09:36 PM)
Hi guys,
Bad in writing, let my "home made" video tells the story...

The Highlander

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycgdsccZfgM...be_gdata_player

sorry for the poor quality+noisy background.
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POWDERFULL clip!
Another unseen Malaysian species, now captured on video and nicely edited...this time the species is a much bigger one, and the pattern... so unorthodox, sorta rugged. The fighting stance also different, arms are raised and lowered. The speed of movement of the male fighting seem similar to T.Sub. Thanks for sharing bro. Tomorrow will get to see the real thing from Bro Jason.

I can see a trend beginning... as more and more new species show up through our dedicated brothers and as they are brought together and being tried to be bred and captive raised, a whole new era of fs fighting will take place.... Pound for pound, which species will stand out as having the best fighters?

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post Jun 5 2011, 02:12 AM

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Thanks to Bro Ricky for the T cam and to Bro Jason for passing them on to me! Thanks also for the LC worms which Bro Jason gave some to me.
Here's a couple of closer up shots of the pattern of Tcam. Yes, Jong, I believe it is the same species of Thiania as the one shown in the link. Pattern looks similar.
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The female had eggs passed to me but almost all of them were spoilt. Luckily there was 4 surviving greenish slings which are still newly hatched and immobile. Hopefully they can survive till they start eating.
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Added on June 5, 2011, 2:35 am
QUOTE(Spideric @ Jun 4 2011, 06:26 PM)
Hi bro mindstorm,
Thanks for the kind comment on my clip. Bro Ura did tried the female facing with HK Bu but they don't seems like fighting..as for the T-sub male also not everytime they fight when met T-Bha male,sometime it saw T-Bha straight away run eventho that male r much smaller than him.. sleep.gif'"
After discussed bro Ura think u r the best person to keep the giant male with bro jason if u still interested,we won't c tis species today if without u & bro vipper...both of u r real Datuk of spider ! notworthy.gif

P/s: bro vipper,I will try to post the location/spot later tonite.

Cheers,
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Thanks alot for Tcam, Bro!
No lah, don't say I'm Datuk of spider. If like that, I think there are many many many bigger Datuks than me here!
But I think everyone who contributed big or small to this forum make our fs hobby more interesting and exciting.
The only title I'll except is TS. Never I thought this fs passion would be carried on for so long(3 and a half years now) because before this I saw a few fs tread which start and stop after a short while. But thanks to all the fs brothers here, the fs flame continues to be burn stronger and stronger. With new species blood coming in and more information shared on how to continue to keep them, hopefully some old kakis will return and more and more new kakis will join in too.



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post Jun 5 2011, 03:33 AM

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QUOTE(Mangrovejumper @ Jun 5 2011, 12:20 AM)
T. red looks like the same as T. sub.
Anyway, some/all of these spiders may already have been previously named.  There were arachnologists of the past that
have done the research.  Unfortunately, I don't think macro existed then!  wink.gif

Thiania species

Thiania abdominalis Zabka, 1985 — Vietnam
Thiania aura Dyal, 1935 — Pakistan
Thiania bhamoensis Thorell, 1887 — Burma to Sumatra
Thiania cavaleriei Schenkel, 1963 — China
Thiania chrysogramma Simon, 1901 — Hong Kong
Thiania cupreonitens (Simon, 1899) — Sumatra
Thiania demissa (Thorell, 1892) — Indonesia
Thiania formosissima (Thorell, 1890) — Borneo
Thiania gazellae (Karsch, 1878) — New Guinea
Thiania humilis (Thorell, 1877) — Sulawesi
Thiania inermis (Karsch, 1897) — Hong Kong
Thiania jucunda Thorell, 1890 — Sumatra
Thiania luteobrachialis Schenkel, 1963 — China
Thiania pulcherrima C. L. Koch, 1846 — Sri Lanka, Vietnam, Malaysia, Sulawesi
Thiania sinuata Thorell, 1890 — Malaysia
Thiania suboppressa Strand, 1907 — China, Vietnam, Hawai'i
Thiania subserena Simon, 1901 — Malaysia
Thiania viscaensis Barrion & Litsinger, 1995 — Philippines

Another interesting factoid is that T. bhamoensis means "north of Burma", therefore Bhamo-ensis.
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Nice compilation of photos by Ura. I think there are a couple more. The last pic, the yellow bumble bee-like Thiania, is the one you also found at PJ. But we can see it is a more distant relative compared to the rest of the Thianias. Haven't seen the female before though.

Now if only we can match these scientific names to the photos.... Tools needed would be
1) the original papers where the species are first describe which have the drawings of the pedipalp patterns
2) a microscope and dissection tools

I believe there are many species which remain unseen and undescribed and it is possible..or should I say "definately", that some of the Thianias we found have not have been described.
For example the list shows 4 species from Malaysia
1. Thiania bhamoensis
2. Thiania pulcherrima
3. Thiania sinuata
4. Thiania subserena
Aside from T.bha, the other 3 names can't cover
1. 2 species gotten from Bukit Tinggi by Viper88(one of them may be same as the one you got from Cameron)
2. T.cam from Cameron By Ricky(different from the one you got)
3. 1 species I got from a forest reserve in Kepong(also you found one at the lookout point)
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/608348/+80 (post 95)
4. The big Bu and small male species(T.blue as coined Ura), found by Viper at lookout point and also by us at Hutan Lipur..
5. The bubble bee species found by you in PJ(although this maybe different genus)
not to mention T.black and T.red coined by Ura in Singapore which country have no mention in the list(except for T.bha)

I still remember a photo which I naively tried to take of my first king when I was 13 years old. All I got was a blurred photo of what looks like a leaf.
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post Jun 17 2011, 12:11 AM

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Wah, this is one of the most interesting series of fight you guys have put up. Great stuff.

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Added on June 17, 2011, 12:19 amI got a question about LC worms. Bro Jason passed me some with some sorta broken up "shell" with them that the LC worms seems to be eating on. Are those lotus seed? I got some lotus seed and they don't seem to have that sorta shell. The shell pattern seems to that of the skin of longan. Is it so?

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post Jun 17 2011, 12:34 AM

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QUOTE(leejason99 @ Jun 16 2011, 11:12 AM)
Hey bro trevelly,
Talking about kwai pow, I thought I saw a super king kong size yesterday, turn out to be one of those which I dare not even go close, here are some pics :-
Bro Jason, that's a adult male Pancorius magnus you've encountered.
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Pretty common species in our jungles.
I first encountered them in 2008. You can see i posted them up in the first tread.
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/608348/+800 (post# 804)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruugXsFoBUc
Yes they can get quite big. But nothing to be afraid of lah... can let it walk on your hand. Quite hand friendly but can jump really far...
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The biggest one I recently found had a body length of 13 mm, legspan up to 3 cm.
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The biggest female is 14mm body length, and it's not even gravid.
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However despite their size...they're no match to an even bigger jumper that sometimes are found in the same habitat where Pancorius are found....
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And this fella eating an adult female pancorius is only a subadult(male)...

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post Jul 7 2011, 01:34 AM

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First off, I must salute Bro Ura for ur excellent work in documenting ur Project SubOpp. Really detailed work which a lot of effort must have been put in. I can see it is really tough to be able to raise all of them to adulthood. Like my experience with Bhamoensis, for some unknown reasons a number of them would either die or won't grow well. What we need is more trials, different setups and experimentation with different live feed to learn what works better to raise Thiania.

Only this week found a bit of time to go hunting with Bro Jason. Last week had to play work catch-up after coming back from Sabah. Went there for a holiday to trek some jungles trails alone. Really tiring, even trekking one day from 7am to 4pm with only 1 bottle of mineral water, which I finished before even half way. I hoped to find some big jungle jumpers but unfortunately no luck but I did find many Borneo Thiania. The males were averaging 7mm and above while the females measured 8 to 9.5mm body length. Found many females, and caught only 3 males. One big male escaped there and I brought back the other 2 in hope to film them fighting here because I didn't bring my heavy camcoder with me. But alas, because I placed one of the males with a female, for some reason when I came back it lost 3 legs from one side! In the end, no fight. sad.gif
But I did bring back about 8 females and 3 batch of slings. The new born slings are way bigger than the new born T.bha slings as expected.
So now I'm trying to grow the slings. So far so good, only saw a couple died but many are eating well with fat tummy. I managed to feed them very small fruit flies. The females are doing ok so far. I tried to fight the females, but they don't fight, not only do they not show any display....in fact, once they see each other they run away... as if very scared!! I was shocked, so big but so useless? But then I also think, why must they run away as if very scared? They can slowly back off or move away like many other jumpers do. Very strange behaviour. Because I had many females I tried a few times...most just run away when see each other until I tried one of the biggest females...I put it in the nest first then I place another female to go in...the big female inside see with no stance...then immediately jump chop, as if trying to eat a fly! Wah... really different species, different behaviour. Will try to get in on film.

Here's some pics.
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Leaves they are found in. Mostly in very thick and solid leaves and their webbing is strong because it is windy there.
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Sabahan sling vs Cheras sling
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An interesting jumper is this Thianitara species. It is definately very closely related to the genus Thiania as they also make nest in between leaves. Unlike the ones I found in kepong which is all black, the ones here have banded pattern which look a bit more like the Thiania markings, suggesting a close link.
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The rest just some pics of nature I took for pleasure viewing.
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Most awesome one is the long-horned beetle. They were huge and their antenna was extremely long as can see from pics. These fellas will make a funny squeking noise when handled or captured. They can't be reared as they specialize on eating the leaves of specific trees. I just took them down from the tree to take pictures and let them go back again.
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post Jul 10 2011, 01:07 AM

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QUOTE(Urahinuk @ Jul 7 2011, 09:50 AM)
Bro Mindstorm, that was really a Wonderful Documentation of your Jungle Trekking Experience in Sabah.. thumbup.gif  The Borneo Thiania Species you caught they look like the T.Cam Species which Bro Ricky caught in Cameron Highlands so much?!?!?!?!?? rclxub.gif  Are they the same actually..???

Thanks Alot for the Many Awesome Shots of the WildLife there.. rclxms.gif  The Thianitara Species looks Very COOL also~.. smile.gif ..in fact his body structure sort of resembles the T.Red Species found in our P# also..
Are you keeping him also..?
Thanks. Yeah, I also think they look a bit the same although I think the pattern from Cameron is a bit more rugged.
No, not keeping the Thianitara. They're small actually but the ones in Borneo look a lot more like fs in terms of pattern and structure of body than the one I found here before.

Your BB slings really look like they're glowing with health! Well fed with nice round tummy. You're a terrific father!

Added on July 10, 2011, 1:30 am
QUOTE(evil_educator @ Jul 7 2011, 11:42 PM)
Wow bro mindstorm, great shots! you went sabah alone? how long was your hiking trip? I am very interested in going for hiking trips!
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Yeah, my wife don't want to go with me. She says she don't want to suffer. She's right, she'll definately suffer and then I would also suffer... from not being able to go wherever I want to go. haha! Actually for me the trip on Air Asia(2.5 hrs) and on the bus(1.5 hrs) there is more suffering than hiking. On Air Asia, my neck was suffering, on the bus, my stomach was suffering(want to vomit). Hiking was tough on the legs, but I enjoyed the surrounding very much. My trip was 4 days 3 nights. Well you can always start with places nearby first but I think, if you have been through army as a Singaporean son, the problems of hiking shouldn't bother you at all. Hikers hike for many reasons, for me..
1) I have an objective in finding something
2) I love nature in general - the fresh air, the trees, rivers, the wildlife
3) I like to exercise
4) I get to take photographs(though not as a pro like many macrophotographers) and share them on the internet!
I guess most kakis here catch fs for the one or more similar reasons too.

Later August I maybe going Cameron with my family. But not suggested by me, suggested by my wife with no influcence whatsoever from me. Cause she go there before as kid and like the weather there. Hehe..so coincidental... maybe get a bit of chance again to find the fs Ricky find there before.


Added on July 10, 2011, 1:40 am
QUOTE(viper88 @ Jul 8 2011, 05:29 PM)
Nice jungle trekking and fs hunting outing u had there, bro Minstorm. Lotsa interesting pics also.. the blue beatle have look allike human face abit..look scary  shocking.gif

The Borneo Thiania looks like Genki with its leg stripes. Male 7 mm and female abt 9.5mm? Wow ... the females really large size.
Too bad the male thiana leg get bitten off ... i feel its because the female thiania is a chopster/pregnant or ...maybe in angry mood. I also experienced it bfr for strong T-bha male fs put in 2gther with female FS... the male ran off very fast like seeing ghost.. if u read my earlier posting.. the male FS is HOPE.. lol
Maybe u can try spar the other male Borneo Thinia with normal T-Bha male FS to see their fighting patterns.
Thanks. Yeah, I also find the face of the blue beetle a bit frightening.

Actually the male was slightly more than 7.5mm, so quite big. All the females look big to me. I also found many females living in the leaves of trees, some I saw so high up that I think will need to stand on the tall ladder with out-stretch arm only can reach.
Haiz, unfortunately the other Borneo male also died ... dunno why, I tried feeding with fly, fruit fly and lc worms..didn't want to eat. After 4-5 days, died. All the females ate and even the slings doing ok. So really don't know why.


Added on July 10, 2011, 1:56 am
QUOTE(Spideric @ Jul 8 2011, 09:16 PM)
Wow..another lone Ranger but this one in higher class version. (bro jason,it doesn't meant u're low class ok..) tks for sharing lots of nice photos with us..I personally like the most of long-horn beetle not becos of they're in mating..the face really looks like my childhood super hero "mask-rider" 幪面超人..
The sabahan species that u caught quite similar with T-cam i found in Cameron highlands,or they r actually the same species? Same thing happened to me while i hunted in c.highlands most of time saw females,found only one male with 7-8 females in same plant..I suspect female will makan the male after mating in this species,remember the bigger male that jason passed to u?I don't even see it when i open the small leaves/nest only saw two egg sac..cud it b one of the "egg sac" is actually wrapping a male inside for food/sling's food? or else i must be blinded can't see such a big male! watched some documentries on TV channel the female will eat male after mate but not sure would it happen to this species..

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Haha, not higher class gua, but I went to higher altitude, so higher ground loh. Don't play play with Bro Jason, his hunting skills really fast and superb. I hunt with him, cannot catch up with him.

I also dunno, since they look so much alike, maybe same species. Got to see their behaviour as well. But alas, failure on my part to document the males fighting.
Hopefully, if I get to grow the slings, then got chance otherwise wait for my next trip there again...
I doubt the Thiania females will eat the males. Infact, compared to other spider species or jumping spider species, rarely I come across one Thiania able to eat another of similar size if try to chop from back or side. In Hyllus or Telamonia species, this is very common, and smaller one eating a bigger one from the back is NO problem. The only times we see one Thiania eating another is
1) one is significantly bigger than the other(usually adult female and smaller juvenile)
2) 2 male fs fighting until very siong and one stronger one get hold of the weaker one

I think the big male you missed in the nest is because the male is huddled in some fold or tight chamber in between the leaves.


Added on July 10, 2011, 2:07 am
QUOTE(Urahinuk @ Jun 29 2011, 08:37 PM)

Not very sure though, have to consult Bro Mindstorm or Bro Mangrove Jumper in this.. biggrin.gif
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Yeah, the first one is a Bavia male.
The second one is a Anarrhotus male.
I wrote about it here when I first found one
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1414966/+100 (post #118)
ID from here
http://salticidae.org/2005Singapore/photos/mysg/Page12.html



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Wah! Great effort there by Ura to do reviews on past kings. Really impactful to see all the past kings and their glory all compiled in one post. Thanks a lot for sharing! After seeing the photos, makes me miss having a fs like BigHead.

Today met up with Bro Jason for a couple of short hunts, to places he went before. We didn't get much but had a couple of good fights with S sized fs. But I can see after hunting so much and going down to Singapore a couple of times, Bro Jason standard for fs size have been raised. Next time we must really go to places where the kings thrive.

Bro Jason also past me the big Hyllus Keratodes male(dead) from Bro Seng. Is Bro Seng = Peter Wong from facebook? For those who didn't know about the capture of the Hyllus Keratodes in Singapore, please visit http://www.facebook.com/#!/groups/LeopardTiger/ as this facebook group is also a good platform for discussion of fs and jumping spiders because facebook is more internationally known and many of the hongkees post there.

Here are the comparison photos with the one I had since last year(dead and well-preserved)
Top is mine, bottom Bro Peter
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Left mine, right Bro Peter
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Left Bro Peter, right mine
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Mine looks slightly bigger and arms are longer. Both I presume should have shruken abit since being alive.

With this, I would like to say that for a long time now I have been surfing the net looking at ways to preserve the body of jumping spiders. There are many ways from preserving them in 70-80% alcohol(this is the scientific way, 70% better for morphology but no so good for DNA and 80% good for DNA but bad for morphology) to having them encased in clear acrylic. I read that the body of spiders usually cannot be preserved like insects by simply drying them out because spiders have SOFT bodies unlike insects which have a hard exoskeleton. I myself have tried to keep the bodies of many of my past fs but many of them eventually rotted(after many months) and I can see tiny tiny spots moving where the body rots. Not sure what those stuff are but looks like they're the cause of the rot.
However after much reading and trial and error, so FAR, I think this may be the most simple and best way to preserve the body of a spider, more specifically a jumping spider which I achieved with this male Hyllus Keratodes. You can see it is quite stiff which I keep in an airtight container.
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This method which i stumbled upon is just this simple
1. After the spider died, just spread it out or position it the way you want and just leave it in the open to dry out.
2. After a couple of days or maybe even weeks, once you can see it is stiff, use some alcohol(I used methylated spirit which is 95% alcohol which can buy from a pharmacy) on a cotton bud to wipe the body and legs and then just keep it in an airtight container. I got this tip from here...
http://www.insectnet.com/cgi/dcforum/dcboa...rum=DCForumID14
That's it. I am not sure wheather it works for fs as I haven't tried it out on them yet. I asked Bro Peter to keep in a airtight container after it died but I realized that is not so good. The Hyllus Keratodes from him actually had all the legs curled in but then they were all very soft so I had no problem opening them out again. But being soft means there is moisture which may cause rotting faster. If the spider is kept straight away in a small airtight container after dying, that means the moisture from the body have no way of escaping and will allow bacteria which is normally present everywhere to attack the body. I also noticed a foul smell coming from Bro Seng spider too. Hence I think the proper way should be to dry it out first before keeping in an airtight container. And everytime it is taken out to be examined, it should be wiped with alcohol and let the alcohol dry before keeping it again. I hope to try it on some fs next, maybe can position them in a fighting stance while drying them out. As you can see from my H. keratodes, the front legs have been preserved in a slightly raised position from the ground. If anyone of you try, don't forget to show us the results!
Just to add, for big spiders like tarantulas, what hobbyists do is to have the guts removed(by cutting the underside of the belly and then stuff the abdomen with maybe cotton wool) before preserving but I didn't need to for this H keratodes which is much smaller than a tarantula.

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QUOTE(Urahinuk @ Aug 30 2011, 11:43 PM)
Yeah Bro Jason, he has moulted today at 1+pm.
Now in the Process of Color Tones Convertion.. to a Full Dark Bluish Body.. smile.gif

Meantime this is a Grid Photo of Kazuo:

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A big congratulations to you Bro Ura! I just got your message yesterday but was too tired to go onto internet after coming home late from work.
Your effort in detailed documentation of raising a T.sub from sling to adult is unsurpassed... really a great piece of pioneering work.

You said it takes less than 4 months for it to reach adulthood... really fast and not much longer than that for T.bha. The temperature really makes a difference in the development time compared to their home country.

Now it would be interesting to see how your male further matures in color and hardness then maybe can see how it faces off a XL T.bha? haha...
Also you'll need a couple of T.sub adult females to continue the gene line.


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QUOTE(viper88 @ Aug 31 2011, 03:00 PM)
Hi Bro Jason.

Its great to meet both of u and Bro Ricky 2 days ago in real person instead of just knowing u guys via lyn nickname only. biggrin.gif
All this while i was enjoy reading ur hunt experience and see the FS fight videos posted by both of u.. Thanks thumbup.gif
I've posted my comments in the youtube videos.

Spideric aka bro Ricky. I remember during early days of FS forum posting, i remember u posted something bfr..
now very active hunting and posted alot interesting FS videos.  rclxms.gif

Keep up the good work and most important is to have fun.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Yeah, it was really an interesting and enjoyable "yam cha" session for me too... talked about fs(including history from 1st part of forum) and fs kakis..for more than 2 hours! I think this is a first for me in terms of chit-chatting face-to-face with so many other fs kakis at a time, definately a first as an adult.
Really enjoyed myself to listen to Bro Ricky fs stories from our neighbouring country. thumbup.gif
Btw Bro Ricky... if you or Bro Randy still happen to have the "2 leg broken" clip...please post up!


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Talking about fs clips that day, we also touch on number of views of fs related clip on youtube. Well, viewing back, here are the top 3 clips with most number of views as of today.

1. Spider fight - Ferocious fighting spider wrestling! (78,626 views)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B62TF2hXmzI
This was posted by me with of course early post advantage because at that time really hardly any fs clips on youtube. Nothing really special about the fight or video quality compared to nowadays the super high quality fights that comes from our Singaporean friends but I guess the TITLE of the clip that does the trick for getting it that many views. People looking for "wrestling" clips most probably stumble upon it! haha! Truth to be told, when I look at the views, I am happy NOT because "I get the most views" but because I know many people in this world now know what is fighting spider from Singapore/Malaysia is about.

Some interesting facts I got from youtube insights about this clip
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Still getting average 40 views per day. Mostly coming from USA! which probably is because a lot of ppl in US like to watch WWF....
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Around mid June 2009, it got around 1.3 thousand! views on ONE day?! Further checking on Discovery(how viewers found the clip), I saw that all the views that day actually came from an embedded player from a website called www.nexopia.com. Seems it was posted on this popular website from Canada where a lot of young people hangout. I think everyday, the website features a different youtube clip which is interesting there, hence the sudden increase in views. I tried to see it from there, but I think it already got deleted.

2. Longest fighting spider fight !! (14Aug2008) (40,726 views)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cU-QHrgZH04
Coming in second is of course this incredible clip by Viper. It is also the first clip if you type "fighting spider" in Youtube. Also because its link is at the top in the first page of the first part of fs forum for so long. Now it is there forever because the forum is locked even though a more deserving "longest fight" posted by our Singaporean kakis should be there. But nevertheless both fights are legends in their own right. Maybe viper can share youtube insight if anything interesting from there on why it gets so many views.

3. How to catch fighting spiders - The Kop method (14,883 views)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjcxNhvBGXw
Incredibly this clip so popular?! So many old-timers want to relive how they catch fs with the Kop method? haha!
Well I checked youtube insights and while that maybe true, but apparently the high number of hits actually came from "YouTube related video" and mainly from these 2 particular clips from the Phillipines!(which made up about 40% of the discovery)
Spider Fighting in the Philippines
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HdDKDoz2K8
Spider fight for bets in Masao Beach party
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OALBSOse0jo
This means actually mostly Phillipinoes watching these 2 clips thought the clip was about how to catch THEIR type of spider.

Anyway, this is just to share a different aspect of our hobby. Maybe some other kaki got something interesting to share regarding their youtube clips and insights.

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Interesting points you got there, viper. After some thinking, I guess which fight deserves to be deemed as the longest fight really depends on how one views it.
It is subjective.

One way to see it, as Bro Ricky said, is that the fight should still be considered "on-going" as long as there isn't one that runs away.(1)
This in general is seen as the default way.
Another way is that you have rules to declare it a technical stop. (2)
Both can be valid but both do have their counter-arguments.

For (1), suppose if both spiders stop and then rest for the next hour, can we then say the fight last for an hour? Or worse still, both half dead and then linger on the leave for the rest of the day and then eventually push each other a bit, then how? A bit extreme i know, but just like we never know until we see such fights with such long rest in between, we cannot rule out the possibility of something like that. In these cases, it would really seem weird,at least to me, to say that a fight last that long.
(I remember before I started the forum, I asked my friend, Mangrovejumper, what was the longest fight he had seen before. He said about one minute. That time 10 second was considered a long fight. I was like" Wah, so what actually happened?" He said, "Eventually the winner fs bite on the loser and held on to it and subsequently ate it, that's why the fight lasted that long". I was like "Oh..." So for this example, although not related to the 2 fights we are talking about, we can see the problem if we want to pinpoint the end of the fight. Should it be when the loser fs got held and tries to run away or stop moving or lost conciousness or legs start to curl?) Hence for the above examples, if we want to determine the time-length of fight, some other rules need to be applied besides "fight ends when one fs runs away".

For(2), the problem would be setting the standards(like Bro Ricky mentioned)/or rules as to what would imply a technical stop such as time length of resting or falling off the platform or whatever. Actually, the fact that one spider can get pushed off the platform simply means that the platform is not big enough in the first place or the spiders were fighting too near the edge. It does not necessarily mean one spider is losing as fs fighting will go back and forth and often we have witnessed winners retreating in the beginning. And I think it is understandable that after such a long time fighting, a fs would hardly have energy to re-climb the leave, but the fact it tries to means it has still not given up the fight! The problem is both these record fights were set up differently in the first place. If Aso vs Rachet were to start off in the middle of a huge table/or on the floor, then being pushed off the edge would not be an issue.
Next would be resting time limit before saying it a technical stop. 1 min, 2 min, 3 min, 10min?? or a certain % of the active fight time before the rest? I guess unless all fs kakis pre-agree on some rules to say such and such, we really cannot say what is the limit esp it is after the fact.

In the end, which being the declared the longest fight is really how one chooses to see it simply because of the subjectivity involved which we wouldn't know if we never witness such fights. Both to me, are truly incredible displays of fs stamina and skill, thanks to all the parties involved, Viper, Ura and Zaly, in sharing such great moments. notworthy.gif notworthy.gif notworthy.gif

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QUOTE(xarms05 @ Sep 10 2011, 03:23 AM)
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Yo Xarms,
Welcome back. Your English not as bad as I thought, should have messaged you in facebook in English rather than for me to translate English to Chinese in Google and then cut and paste in Chinese. Since you bringing in T.sup into Sg again, can I get a few pairs this time?

Wah, I see your recent comments here have ruffled quite a few feathers of our T.bha supporters. I guess your recent appearance surely have something to do with the recent small spat between Ura and Viper about the "superiority" of T.sup vs T.bha. I trust you have more to show us about T.sup since you said having both species in HK, you can better compare the two.
First of all, it is hard to say that the character of T.bha in HK must be same as T.bha in Sg or Malaysia. While they maybe same species and look similar morphologically, there is a possibility that behaviour is different. Why not bring some T.bha males from HK too to do some fights with our local variant?
(A case example: I saw some Kerengge(Red weaver ants) in Bukit Tinggi. Usually Kerengge in lowland here is very fierce and will attack you if you poke at them, but when I tried to poke at a huge bunch of Kerengge ants I saw there, they are scared and moved away! Not one stood guard like the ones I see before. Really surprised me.)
I do however somewhat agree with what Bro Viper, Bro Seng and Bro Krauser that larger size is not a 100% guarantee for a win and we have enough video proof of that. Then again, that is subjective because it really depends on how big that size difference is that we're looking at.
If you say that an average sized T.sup of maybe 10-12mm vs a average sized of T.bha of 6-7mm, of course I would most likely bet on the much bigger T.sup.
However, that being said, matching 2 different species which evolved differently with size differences itself is not really fair is it? I believe I have mentioned that if like that, then someone can bring out a tarantula and then start comparing. If really want to see which is superior in fighting skill then to be fair, a XL size T.bha of 8 mm should match a S size(just supposing) T.sup of 8 mm. Then only fair. Remember, big winning small is nothing to shout about. Base on all the videos of T.sup males fighting, which is only a small number, it is understandable that most of us here without experience with T.sup are not convinced of their fighting skill.

Anyway, I am thankful that you're here to help us learn more about T.sup.
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With so much ego and a tab negative energy bouncing about in the forum recently, I believe some kakis are feeling a bit uncomfortable with the spirit of the forum. At first I also felt a bit uncomfortable, but I think as long as everyone still keep their interest in fs, wheather T.bha, T.sup or any other Ts, discuss/argue with reasons and still treat each other as a KAKI, a dose of competitiveness is a healthy thing and adds color to the forum.
I for one, would also be interested to see the outcome of fights between T.sub and T.bha, be it same sizes or different sizes. Not so much so as I specifically want either one to win, but just plain curious about the outcome.

Peace to all and let our discovery of the world of fs continue..... icon_rolleyes.gif


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Wah, another power write up from you. With such a write up, fs newbie will have no problems turning pro in a short time. thumbup.gif

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QUOTE(Urahinuk @ Sep 12 2011, 11:10 AM)

Thanks Everyone~
P/s: Yeah.. as what every Kaki have been saying.. Always having Peace among us.. but Bro Mindstorm also said a Dose of Competitiveness is a Healthy thing..

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Yes, a dose of competitiveness is a healthy thing, afterall this is about FIGHTING spiders, but it should be done in good spirit or for fun. But when genuine ill-feelings are generated towards one and another and personal attacks are used instead of just striving for excellence, then I think it defeats the whole purpose of competitiveness. It is quite obvious from recent posts from both parties involved and what I gathered elsewhere that this is the case. Even sports events are held to bridge relationships between different countries, and hence I think both parties in any competition should always maintain good relationship AND sportmenship.

It is good to see fs kakis can become so emotionally invested in their hobby/fs but to put things into perspective, NO ONE OWNS these 2 thiania species. We humans are just spectators or at most, temporary managers of these beautiful products of nature. Besides both species are not endemic to solely one country, hence it is, in my opinion, quite unnecessary to get so worked up over their comparison or differences.

Bro Ura, from the recent post from Xarm, he said that Viper says that T.sup is like "cheap" or "rubbish". I hope you can do the right thing to let him know that Viper did not say such things nor did he meant that.

Looking at the last few posts, we hope whatever have been said is said and you guys can settle your differences in opinions with grace and goodwill. Hold a spider fight if both parties agree(and not to provoke if either party disagree), but to escalate it to anything more than that would be just plain silly.

Bro Viper and Bro Ura, both of you are great contributors to our fs hobby, and to see either one of you leave the scene due to the disagreements you both have with each other would be very unfortunate. Don't just strive to be great contributors but strive to be great sportmen too.

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