white face already...still can grow bigger meh?
how big is "small large"?? is the emphasis on the small or on the large?

pretty interesting note. crickets are quite nutritious feed for fs i guess. i'll see test it on my own fs also.
u have a nice size category standard here. how do u match it up to mm in body length?


great fights.
seems like quite a number of chopster u guys have. IPman, Naga chopsters?

Viciria?
http://habitatnews.nus.edu.sg/guidebooks/s...andibularis.htm
haha!... i challenge u to find the male of this species. i think this is the female of the unknown elusive species i'm keeping...

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Added on September 23, 2010, 1:30 amu can get pinheads at ur lfs meh?

nice. wah..that means the blue fs male u got is quite ok in size. did u try to mate it with the big female?

This post has been edited by mindstorm: Sep 23 2010, 01:30 AM

Simply amazing! Never thought that any fs fight can last longer than the previous record held by Viper's fs. And here we have it. Wonderful documentation. Great to see viper also took the time to sum up the actual fight time... must see wheather active fight time match up to his record hor.
Firstly, training via repeated fights certainly raises the tenacity of these fighters tremendously. What a big difference between the willpower of these fs compared to those that run after 1-2 second push.
Secondly being evenly matched in size also counts.
Thirdly, I think the way the 2 fs fights also is important in determing how long the fight can last. If one is exceptionally skillful and aggressive, i guess the fight will end early. In other words, fights where serious injury is inflicted fast will certainly be shorter than fights where both fighters either do not inflict serious injury or have the skills to avoid them.
In fs, flank attacks to the legs, especially near the base, is a actually pretty potent technique in finishing off the oponent. We can see early in this fight, while the fs are still fresh and energetic, there are attempts to target the legs(eg at 3s, 10s, 22s) but the counter attacks is pretty solid. Towards the middle and end of the fight, direct teeth to teeth pushing seems to be tolerable to both fs, hence the fight can drag on. I think the crucial point was at around 7.57 where the winner got hold of the loser's pedipalps, and i suppose injecting venom into the loser, and holding on right up to 8.31. After that can see the loser is quite dazed(8.44) and subsequently unable to carry on.
All in all, a superb match and certainly a groundbreaking record.

Anyway, thanks a lot, bro Ura, for the upload(s) and it's really nice to know how much you enjoy fs catching.

For me, while hunting fs, it is like time can stand still and 2-3 hours can past in a blink of an eye.

This post has been edited by mindstorm: Oct 5 2010, 02:12 AM

Viper's Blackie vs Viper's Razer (14Aug2008)
Total time recorded = 6 min 10s.
Total break = 2 min 13s.
Total fight = 3 min 57s

Ura's Aso vs Zaly's Ratchet [1st Oct 2010]
Total time recorded = 9 min 6 sec.
Total break = 4min, 59 secs.
Total fight = 4 min 7s!!

Base on our estimated fight time analysis, we have to conclude that the previous fight record have indeed been broken by about 10s base on active fight time.
The previous record is just as incredible, having stood for more than 2 years but finally we have a worthy new record. Both i'm sure are fights we never thought would be possible if we didn't see it with our own eyes, thanks to video recording. Now they're fossilized in youtube for current or future fs kakis to be awed and to be a benchmark for future fights to match up to. Wonder how many years more before the new record, if ever, will be broken.

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Added on October 11, 2010, 1:27 amAwesome spiders. Jaws is something i never seen before. A shocker. How big is it? Are u still keeping it?

This post has been edited by mindstorm: Oct 12 2010, 01:21 AM

5cm?! 50 mm leh....teo boh?
Body size L fs bigger or jaws is bigger?

thanks for the id. seems like it is bathippus. does not look at all like opisthoncus.
according to reports males grow up to 10mm in body length which is pretty big. 2.5mm would make it the largest jumping spider in the world already...larger than hyllus diardi.

thanks to you, i stumbled upon this awesome link
Malaysia-Singapore salticids
http://salticidae.org/2005Singapore/photos/mysg/mysg.html
i'm sure many of us know about the index page (http://salticidae.org) and its associated diagnostic pages (eg.
http://salticidae.org/salticid/diagnost/th...a/bham-mph.htm) but seems there is no nagivation link to the above pages or it is hard to find from there.

Bathippus male 05-007
http://salticidae.org/2005Singapore/photos/mysg/Page5.html
(another clear picture of bathippus
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ehktang/2463712883/)

check out the blackish thiania male
Thiania male 05-029
http://salticidae.org/2005Singapore/photos/mysg/Page6.html
wonder where they found that

finally got the id of my unknown jumper
Anarrhotus male 05-014 (S)
http://salticidae.org/2005Singapore/photos/mysg/Page12.html
(seems to be the only photo with id found in the internet!, they're that elusive despite their size...)

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Added on October 12, 2010, 1:39 amactually this is quite an insight.
is it possible that the reason Ratchet died was because of the delayed effect of the poison by its own species?
in other words, is it often or very possible that if a fs is allowed to be bitten and held for a long time in a fight, then likely it may die after a couple of days?

This post has been edited by mindstorm: Oct 12 2010, 01:39 AM

wah, really lots of activity lately. Me too quite busy. Taking some time to read and see everything. Nice to see some long lost kakis coming back to meet up for some hunts and matches.

Superb battles. But the old forum is already locked hence i can't change anything there. For this forum i guess TS Razor_Fang can only control the 1st post.

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Added on November 3, 2010, 9:18 amWell, u can let me know but usually i'm free on monday and tuesday. I work on Saturdays and Sundays cause i work in retail, so i may or may not be able to meet up. I myself have planned a couple of hunting trips in the second half of november but only on weekdays.

This post has been edited by mindstorm: Nov 3 2010, 09:20 AM

here's some side show... from the male mangrove jumpers(Ligurra latidens)

From the front, it looks cute and innocent

But from the top, you can see the half-folded long chelicerae.
Not a big jumper, about 7.5mm body length including chelicerae

More close-up views of their deadly weapons.


Finally, watch how their long sharp chelicerae is used in this spectacular battle between a young and older mangrove jumper of similar size.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLL2kX5gR9M

This post has been edited by mindstorm: Nov 5 2010, 11:29 AM

love the pics. but the author wrongly identify the local species
http://www.mysinchew.com/node/48113

This post has been edited by mindstorm: Nov 21 2010, 12:11 AM

haolao! we need to see Raksasa on a grid paper man! what an appropriate name!

This must be one of the most unbelievable matches i've seen. Fast, exciting, unexpecting and totally bloody....
Those 2 fs were totally out to rip each other apart.
The blood on Porkchop's tail... hard to see how he got injured but it seems like this is one of the rare "jumpover" tactic a chopster fs can use. This was exhibited by one of my fs called Jack long time ago and now here we see Cannon using it. Cannon actually successfully jumped OVER Porkchop right from the start and tore Porkchop's tail, however Cannon couldn't hold on and Porkchop gave a really strong and brave counter. Incredible.
Here u can see the same thing happened to Bighead's abdomen caused by Jack
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NneYbMGFHBg
Aftermath
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYrpYYbe_bw&feature=related

Bro Ura, u're really producing a great many superb fs fights clips.

yeah, i saw, those were superb matches too.

i still stand in awe of the Cannon vs Porkchop fight. Imagine if have hi-speed camera to capture and slow down the events that happened in the first 3 seconds, including how Porkchop actually counter and turn around to get the upper hand which eventually led him to hold Cannon like a fly...

here in succession of the first 3 clear frames...
1. The speed so fast that Cannon was totally blurred out ...really appropriate name for Cannon...

2. Cannon on top of Porkchop, hitting at Porkchop's tail. Porkchop still facing north from its starting position while Cannon is probably already biting at Porkchop's tail while tipping over towards the South(due to the forward force generated by its own incredible long distance jump attack) with its tail high up in the air.

3. The next clear frame clearly showing Cannon holding on to Porkchop's tail. Porkchop is bent L-shape with the bottom of its abdomen showing.
How Porkchop got out of this is too fast to see clearly but what can be seen is he somehow spun his way out...

This post has been edited by mindstorm: Jan 18 2011, 12:48 AM

i stay in puchong. right now i don't have any fighters with me...but hmm... maybe think of getting some...

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Added on March 5, 2011, 2:12 amhoho, what brought you back?
Ura, exspiderking and gang really did an excellent job keeping the fs passion fire burning. So many great fights.

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Added on March 5, 2011, 2:33 amwah, i thot the hongkees no longer play fighting spider since 2 years ago...seems their group have grown infact...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3S801NX7PHo&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLoFQALNA1Q&feature=related

How to make a hongkee style fighting platform/cage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZtmIg3Uuc8&feature=related

november 2010... some sort of mass fighting platform/cage making class??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiClRrTgT_s&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhWXJn21l20&feature=related

Catching a female. Funny they call them "cat" in cantonese..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHlWm69JBkw&feature=related

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Added on March 5, 2011, 2:49 amstudying jumping spider(phidippus) fighting in the lab....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzsOcX_P71k&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxLg-0bLVPA

This post has been edited by mindstorm: Mar 5 2011, 02:49 AM

Yeah, seems like a nice place. Pity I have never been there despite spending 5 years in singapore. I will make that one of my destination when i next visit singapore.

I doubt you can get a big male blue jewel as I too have come to know of a place which habours this species. All of the adult males are small with short arms while the females are big. I guess this is the species trait. It is funny that for them to evolve his way means the females actually prefer to mate with smaller males than bigger ones.

Nope. But i did with a pair of male diardis. I thought they don't size each other up. But boy, I was surprised. I hope to find time within next week to upload the clip.
oi, want to bully people?
come...

Swee swee, man. Great job viper!
Amazing you can find 2 different subspecies from an area of close distance. I have been there twice last year, one company trip and another one bring my family there, but even though I tried flipping leaves, I didn't find any. Also with so many people there at that time, I didn't spent too much time doing so either.

I like the RindamanVsGenjiRd1 clip. Shows the very contrasting style of both spiders, with Rindaman going side to side like our normal fs and Genji going front to back. Like Ura said, very unique style!

How many spiders you caught all together?
Serizawa is normal fs izit? Did you caught it there also?

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Added on March 17, 2011, 1:26 amAnother blog about memories of fs for your reading pleasure
http://www.hstham.com/2010/11/my-spiders-days.html
the blogger said "...I doubt if this hobby is still common among the school children nowadays".
Maybe not as common like last time but there still is. One example is our recent kaki VIPER57 and also an article I linked about school children in Bahau. Last year I was hunting spiders in one of the forest reserves here with my friend, when a group of older teenage malay boys(maybe orang asli decendent) came up to us asking wheather we were hunting cicak tokay. We said no, and we chat a bit, and was told by one of them that he too had "spider king"(meaning fs) but sold some off to younger school children but still keeping some in his house.
Happy to know this hobby still carry on even though not necessarily shared on internet.

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Added on March 17, 2011, 2:04 amNice. But how come the forum cannot see pics? Am I missing something?

Imagine one day got an event "World Fighting Spider Congress"....
Singaporeans, Malaysian, Taiwanese and Hongkees(and who knows which other country too) bring their fs together....

This post has been edited by mindstorm: Mar 17 2011, 02:04 AM

LOL. This clip actually made me laugh! Serizawa was so confused by Rindaman that he was intimidated just by his stance alone! haha!
Serizawa must have gone "Left? Right? Left? come let's fight... wha? where are you? left, right, left...??? heck he's behind me?.... heck man...he's crazy....!!!"
This must be the "Confusing Stance Tactic"! haha!

This post has been edited by mindstorm: Mar 21 2011, 12:19 AM

Bro Ura,
Very interesting bunch you're having now. Looking at Baby Bao, I think he is a normal FS which lost both his arms as either a sling or subadult. Once he moulted to adult, new arms grew in place but smaller and shorter.

I have to agree with Viper the best fs fight recently is
Buaya Spar1 vs Towkay GoodFighter
Damn exciting... and the stage area where they were fighting were smeared with fs bloood...

As for your team I think Rondo vs Flowerpot Chop was really a good fight. It gets my vote. Although I think that clip was a tribute to Rondo, I can see the chop Flowerpot is slightly smaller and gave a really strong fight to the slightly bigger Rondo. But i'm also a bit curious as to which is which...because while the title said that Flowerpot chop is top, it was the bottom spider(Rondo?) that actually did the jump chop right on top of Flowerpot.


This post has been edited by mindstorm: Mar 27 2011, 11:09 PM

No, definately not from the Genus Thiania. Looks like a Rhene to me.