This post has been edited by jong71: Aug 11 2010, 04:52 PM

best way is to let it spar often. Viper88 is best at this.

no one knows for sure. u can be the first to experiment though...

wah...power root somemore...well basically u can try anything as long as it doesn't kill them.
great to see u have such enthusiasm for fs!

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Added on August 12, 2010, 12:28 amthis is Thianitara
http://salticidae.org/salticid/diagnost/th...ta/spect-ph.htm
i think u can catch them in FRIM too. Small spiders but very hand friendly.
yeah

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Added on August 12, 2010, 12:29 amwah, mr jong, nice clips and very nice comparison photos!

One thing i know about the mask jumper...it can jump really far...

This post has been edited by mindstorm: Aug 12 2010, 12:29 AM

thanks mindstorm.
btw can these Thianitara fight like fs??

btw Vortex is old already.
planning to get replacement for him before i let him go.
well, we have to follow the circle of life.
so now current king is Samurai.
when let Vortex fight, Vortex dont care to fight.
like he dont wanna fight already.
so i am going to go and find the replacement(which will also be named Vortex)soon.
i hope i will find a fs like him again.

btw i am not sad.

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Added on August 13, 2010, 1:35 pmand recently fight, Vortex vs Samurai, Samurai win with 1 second push.
i was so shocked.


This post has been edited by VIPER57: Aug 13 2010, 01:35 PM

btw Vortex is old already.
planning to get replacement for him before i let him go.
well, we have to follow the circle of life.
so now current king is Samurai.
when let Vortex fight, Vortex dont care to fight.
like he dont wanna fight already.
so i am going to go and find the replacement(which will also be named Vortex)soon.
i hope i will find a fs like him again.

btw i am not sad.

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Added on August 13, 2010, 1:35 pmand recently fight, Vortex vs Samurai, Samurai win with 1 second push.
i was so shocked.


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Hey Viper57, yes we have to follow the circle of life. By the way how long have you been keeping your Champion Vortex since you captured him? I think it is high time now for him to retire, please release him to the wild.

This post has been edited by Urahinuk: Aug 13 2010, 03:03 PM

Vortex have just passed away peacefully at 4:24pm
just about to let him go..........
now have 2 new spider, Onejaw and Foxtail.
current ranking:

Samurai (current king)
Onejaw (lost to samurai with 3 second push)
Foxtail (lost to Onejaw with 1 chop)

i hope i will find a replacement for my late king that is 100 times better than my old king.

btw, thanks for the advise,Urahinuk.

how long is a lifespend for an fs??

Last year i caught this big bu at mandai and released it at nt* .....



2 weeks later i went back to the same spot at nt* and caught the kang with a similiar head pattern....



are they the same fs?
is the bu really a subadult male?

This post has been edited by jong71: Aug 13 2010, 09:11 PM

I am sorry to hear about the death of your beloved fs Vortex.
May he RIP, dont be too sad Viper57, time will heal the pain ok.

How long a fs will live in captivity is alot to depend on how we rear them. But the most important factor for them to live as long as few months(more than 3mths) is not to let them fight too much. Knowledge on food and water i presume you should know by now.

Keep them in well-ventilated container and remember to bring them out for exercise everyday it is good for them too. Just try to fight them only once to twice everyday, not too much, they will shack out and sustain internal injuries and may not be able to recover fully, that will definitely reduce their lifespan.

I got a fs sick for a week after i caught him for 3weeks, i was very puzzled what caused that, later on then i realised it was because of the chopster he fought with, has passed the "chopster infection" to him, and it is the transition period that caused him became quite slow, didnt really shit it out i was so worried. But now he is ok, just feel like a newly-caught fs to me. Back to a jumpy and healthy fs again. While i got another fs who is blind now, even though he is still in good health.

Some of the Brothers here even kept fs for more than 7months, i have not rear any fs for that long yet but am trying for now, see how far i can go. But generally if you can keep a fs for slightly more than 2months, that should be enough. Take more photos and videos of him while he is still alive, a fs's life is sometimes very unpredictable.

Hey Viper57 you're welcome, you will learn more here because there are many "Old Birds" fs experts here!


This post has been edited by Urahinuk: Aug 13 2010, 09:06 PM

today i caught the replacement for my late king.
i named him Vortex
big size

Congrats to you!
Btw big size could be quite a subjective term here, you got to measure him on grid paper(1mm by 1mm) and take photo of him and post it here let us have a look of your new Vortex!

thanks.
well i dont have grid paper but using ruler he is 1cm by 5mm.
i think thats big right??
will post pics of him soon.
just now Vortex vs Samurai : of course Vortex won!!
2 second push and a few arm locking!!
i guess Vortex is a king kong pow.


btw, what is teeth grinding??

i doubt so. the female looks very female to me. besides that head pattern is quite common.
i found that head pattern alone is not a very reliable way to determine a fs because
1. it can look different at different angles
2. it can change over time
3. many fs have similar head patterns

it is only be useful if it is sufficiently different between 2 fs that we want to fight. if you would to expose a fs to a large group of other fs, i think judging from head pattern alone, it would be very difficult to pick it out. usually we would rely on other characteristics too, like abdomen size, overall size, overall lightness darkness etc

This post has been edited by mindstorm: Aug 16 2010, 01:19 AM

how do you check the age of an fs??

and what is teeth grinding?

Yeah, guess you're right. Checked out one of your earlier postings showing subadult male that later moulted.
The pedipalp end was much thicker....No wonder the bu did'nt moult into a kang when i kept before releasing....

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Added on August 16, 2010, 12:10 amIn the wild newly moulted (younger) fs look bright and shiny, the legs tend to have many tiny "white spots".
This is because their "skin" is new.
Older ones are generally darker, having moulted some time ago, their "skin" have aged.

What do you mean "teeth grinding"? You can grind your teeth by moving your lower jaw and rubbing them against each other....
I suppose some people sharpen fighting dogs teeth by grinding them, but not for fs.....

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Today went to NT* and met Peter (aka Buaya).
Strangely it rained on my journey but when i reached NT* it was not raining.
Recorded these matches

Warm Up matches (short)
Jong's Chendo vs Pete's (aka Buaya) Naga won


Good Luck to everyone!!!!!

This post has been edited by jong71: Aug 16 2010, 12:36 AM

i think viper57 means 2 fs fighting and grinding each other's teeth? Viper57, where did u get "teeth grinding" from?

This post has been edited by mindstorm: Aug 16 2010, 01:22 AM

from one of your videos in yotube.

btw, the new Vortex died.
i feel so bad for smashing him
the hole fighting stage fell down and smashed him

next time i must be extra careful in handling fs.

well, i need to get ANOTHER replacement for Vortex.(which will also be named Vortex )

yeah.

well just like what Urahinuk said, "time will heal the pain"......

now i am keeping a female, Strawberry and 2 males, Onejaw and Foxtail.

i thought of breeding them. but how do i get them to mate??

Viper57, i am so sorry to hear about your sad story, dont be disheartened, fs always come and go, at least we all once have the memories of owning good fs that will be sufficient. Soon you will get another Vortex(Part3) soon!

Put the female and male together in a romantic room and far away from lighting and noise or any kind of distraction, then only they will "do" it. But you have to pick a virgin female and a fertile male in order to mate them.

Sorry to read about Vortex.
Don't worry. You will catch a big replacement soon. Just a matter of time.....
Hah! You are even better than me at the fs sport when i was your age.
here's a story.
i remember having a medium green fs that challenged another boy's.
this boy had a small red metal box punctured with holes where he kept all his fs.
when he opened the box i could see he had yam leaves cut to fit the box.
the top yam leaf had a square doorway cut in the middle.
from this doorway appeared a jet black fs slightly bigger than mine. it was quite slow becoz old.
we put the 2 fs on the cover of the box.
my fs advanced. his retreated -a gostan pow.
they met near the edge of the box cover and started pushing.
then 1 chop followed by a second chop. now pushing with arms outstretched.
3 chops, 4 chops.
his fs ran!
mine had won!
that was my first fs victory!
before that my fs always lost to others.
but my fs was not the school king. he lost to another bigger, blue fs after only pushing....

This post has been edited by jong71: Aug 17 2010, 01:18 AM

Remember the hyllus that i supposedly lost at a park?
Guess what, it wasn't a hyllus. A somewhat similar sized and similar shade spider but totally different species....
Yeah, i know cuz i managed to catch it last week. Had been keeping it for a week now, and today i just got back my camera so here's some pics of a very elusive species.

i caught it in the park by searching all the dried leaves that fell and get caught in short shrubs hanging on its branches or leaves, pretty close to ground level. That area was very shady with many trees just at the bank of the park lake. That area is also where i got my hyllus female, that's why i thot it was a hyllus male. After many peelings of dried leaves i finally got 2 of them. one was a smaller and older one with one arm gone which i didnt take pics of. The other was a healthly larger one.

I'm sure it was the same species because of the extreme difficulty in catching it. It was sensitive, make straight drops and always hide the other side of my view.
Just now when i took it out to try to photograph it, it escaped! Heck, right into my own plants.

Here is its nest in my enclosure


when i took its nest out, it made a straight drop into my overgrown money plant in my old cage and right into the depths of its winding stem and roots...


crap, no choice but to take buckets(small bucket of course) and shower my plant to water it out..yet no sign of it after 3-4 full buckets, then suddenly it appeared right at the top of cage just peeking behind a leaf. damn elusive fella.

when i turned the leaf, it was gone! it crept out behind the netting because of a small opening..walau...now it was in danger of escaping into more growth and into the drain...i was thinking i have to ransack all my pots just to get back this fella. but luckily moving slowly, i manage to catch it as it was staying still under a stem of another creeper...

finally here he is:
face

compare with the face of my actual hyllus semi

hyllus looks prettier with its white band and line across its face

body

compare with the body of hyllus

hyllus again have white markings all over, while this elusive fella is quite evenly colored

size compare with my first king fs, my fs is 7mm head to abdomen tip.


i squared hyllus with this new unknown species. size almost similar but their stance is different, the new fella open up its forelegs to the side something like fs

while hyllus raise its forelegs high up


no engagement between them and initially for a few times, hyllus backed away...
the new guy is very slightly bigger than hyllus

later on, maybe because his back was turned, hyllus dared to approach him...

and when the new fella finally turn round and saw that my hyllus was too close for comfort... it backed off with arms raised.
from here, can also see that hyllus have a more shiny sheen to its carapace whereas the color of the new fella is duller.
also can see that the forelegs are visibly much longer than that of hyllus.


there is one more surprising difference between this unknown species and hyllus. The unknown species was actually quite hand friendly! hence u can see pics of it on my hand but not for hyllus. the unknown species was sensitve to disruption of its hiding place and movement but once i got it on my hand, it didn't jump off like it stepped on a hot plate, unlike the hyllus. The unknown species can comfortable walk and jump to and fro my hands but not hyllus...the moment hyllus touched my hand it bounced off as if it touched a hot iron.

i suspect the one i saw when i was a kid was this species and not hyllus...
so what species is this big jumping spider? ID anyone?


on a side note, my hyllus female laid eggs in a very tightly knitted nest, stepping out at its doorway only once every couple of days for a fly..


This post has been edited by mindstorm: Aug 18 2010, 01:14 AM

thanks for the kind words.
and thanks for the tips on mating them.
but how do you check a virgin female and a fertile male??
can put them in matchbox to mate ah?
thought of letting newly caught female Single to mate with Foxtail.

btw how do you see if female is pregnant or not??

Yo Viper57, identifying a virgin female is rather tricky, usually we will choose a female with a really small abdomen. Catch a few of them, this is a game of probability, the more females you try out with the male, the higher chances 1 of them will really mate with him, the likelihood is every 1 out of 4 females will really mate with a male. Just catch a male who is still young and strong, becos a old and frail male wont have the strength to "play" with the female.

A pregnant female will have a very large abdomen, sometimes even go up to 3times bigger than her head size.
Another characteristic is that the surface on her abdomen will look very smooth and shiny as compared to normal female.

This afternoon met up with Bro Jong for a short while at my place for chitchat and happened to video a fs's fight.
Jong's fs Jacket, i believe he is the descendant of Buaya's fs Hellboy.

Jacket vs Orca
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EAl_Hq3aD4

Royal eating cricket
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7j1A_smbq5g

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Added on August 17, 2010, 8:59 pm


Wow.. the unknown species kongpang his arms just like a fs in this pic.

This post has been edited by Urahinuk: Aug 17 2010, 09:58 PM