nah its not like i prefer china stuff over senn , if u lemme pick i'd go senn any day of the week over any china brands, its branding reliability like denon, bose , akg grado, shure etc ensures that big money u spent is worth every penny ofc, and i do agree the audio equipment like many other things in life u have to test it on your own and see the compatibility of the stuff with your current setup, it being congruent with your ergonomics etc. The thing is i'm not complaining bout senn being unreliable and neither did i ever state that china branding would be a better choice for everyone,

i'm just saying that with a little bit of research and knowledge you could tell that whatever technology they use in any audio equipment is at the end of the day can be replicated at high precision if not perfectly could still reproduce the sounds at high fidelity, and it's not just china , it could be reproduced in europe, japan, or even malaysia, i'm just taking china for example as they are giants in industrial works and would provide cheaper product via cheaper labour and cheaper raw supplies. (when u research the hardware devices in certain audio modules u can generally tell the layout and components are sometimes the same;and yet the prices differ by alot, like 3:1 ratio despite having almost similar product at hand , amps especially)

And again if i'd ever splurge and want something more substantial and last long i'd always go for the safer well known brand, currently using Bose and Denon headsets myself, was just poking around sennheiser's stuff now and then to look around the iem market, it's a matter of price vs actuality of what u really get, a clear example is when u buy let's say below 300rm iem for urself, if u wanna enjoy music on the go would u go for low end sen or high end no name brand ( let's say you tested both and the difference is rather heaven and earth and the quality is almost the same) , it just begs the question sometimes that ur just buying the brand just like cars and many other things in life. Again if the budget is 1500 or so i'd go to senn any day, and again i'm not supporting any particular brands, cause u seem to assume i like china stuff in your quote, i'm just laying out a legitimate question.

naw not accusing you of anything, but in sense i do somewhat agree. i was trying to say that senn has its own sound, my friend who loves collecting fake stuff (tell me about it) show me this senn one day. was an IE8 and we tested it side by side, didnt sound up to par. he still likes fakes tho makes him happy. in general yes i agree too that china can replicate that of the world but replication as its namesake is a copy, it has no research cost, marketing cost and etc etc. you are merely buying for a company that is hijacking over anothers brand so naturally a replica will always be cheaper.

i guess where this comes to ground is when you mention RM300, to me RM300 senns are not worth the time and i whole heartedly agree with you here. get a china make 

i love china amps tho 

^^ aww man i never would support a fake china stuffs i play guitar alot and in guitar world china is super fake distributor nation, i'm just going on the up and coming china independent self brands, i'm strongly against all the fake/replica stuff, someone once bought me a gift of beatz which he bought from vietnam (which i supposed is made in china) and gave it to my brother straight away, even my brother could not stand that thing as it is very uncomfortable to wear more than 1/2 hour. and would totally condemn such purchase, it seems we had a misunderstanding on the china part lol, china have really bad name on faking stuffs all over, but sometimes we just need to give respect to some brands that trying to make it against the giants using their own brands rather than copy paste and change one alphabet like star f***s frm star bucks.

I 100 percent agree that any replicas is a no-no, whatever the quality maybe, it's totally selling out of other's ppl hardwork on making the brand known, and keep the money out of other's ppl hardwork.

well the own brand thing is nice, unfortunately ive also yet to see one that amazes me. then again i dont dwell in the whole china thing so i might be wrong.

but it does bring up one interesting point, the amp brand i love is darkvoice, they used to have this model called the 336se it looks exactly the same as woo audios amp. later things got a bit different la, but that part always nags me a bit cause a lot of chinese companies kinda carry on from copying/borrowing

its like the strat, technically anyone who makes a strat is copying it 

thumbs up on the strat reference, sometimes if u do a little analyzing on amps from ground up from when they were tubes to now digitally miniscule chips you'll learn alot, basic transitor as an operational amplifier/ gain channels/ feedback/impedence/resistance/frequency response all this little things colour the sound in variable manner, and if someone pry opened an amp or even headsets , music players, if one have the magnifying glass and truly wish to replicate it bit by bit, they are capable of doing it with a bit of knowledge, and even if u search in the web nowadays there's various schematics one could follow, up to point to point down to types of transitors/resistors in the camp circuit all laid down in the diagram.

crazy electronic engineering days all over again. probably one of the harder engineering knowledge to acquire after rocket science, radio, and aeronautical. lol

maybe, but it always bugs me a bit (not to mention haf the things you mention is alien to me cause im no engineer)

back to topic tho, i do honestly believe anyone who is looking for stuff under a certain budget (RM300-500) to look at china goods or not care at all. i think the respective brands all do mass market in that range , where the diffrences can be minor.

that being said, i also think that people who spend more on these things should not bother about it

im making no sense  i know 

In actuality we're on the same page, like i said if u have a rather thin budget to work on with u might rethink and do some research and discover some brands that offer high quality of sounds, and sometimes if u do proper research when even in mass market range with the same budget a substantial diff of sound quality and yes it is only in this thin wallet budget range where this huge difference of sound quality vs price can be made as it is more competitive in that market pricing area.

and i that's where it ends once u go up the ladder, it's no brainer, u just have to make that plunge to the solid brands as this brands can be trusted with all your hard earned money.

I wonder if momentum is a good choice for portability. not demanding a lot from my portable rig, just s3 or clip+ , using q460 currently

It's small but to me not that portable since it can't be folded. With the case it's a bit on the bulky side.

It's small but to me not that portable since it can't be folded. With the case it's a bit on the bulky side.

Speaking of China amps...I'm a noob at this and would like your opinions on this amp:
http://www.audio-gd.com/Pro/amp/Precision2/Precision2EN.htm
Thinking of pairing it with HD800.
Both are on the way already actually guess I'm just having buyers remorse haha..

Speaking of China amps...I'm a noob at this and would like your opinions on this amp:
http://www.audio-gd.com/Pro/amp/Precision2/Precision2EN.htm
Thinking of pairing it with HD800.
Both are on the way already actually guess I'm just having buyers remorse haha..

Audio GD makes some of the best amps around, especially for the price. But good luck trying to order from them, they're always short on stock.

Yea..mine had a wait time of 2 weeks..I should get it first week of May..

Do share your impressions once you have received it,

Audio-GD products are very well known for their Master 7 DAC , one of the much better ones around in the market in fact and Master 9 for its sheer power and authority.

For HD800 however, that could be different as the only consensus I've read (though this are opinions from others) that the only SS amps that pair nicely with the HD800 is the Violectric V200 due to its darker signature.

Is there anywhere in KL/PJ that I can try out the IE800? Anybody here using this? Thanks.

Sennheiser at Bangsar shopping complex.
The lows and mids are nice, but not a fan of the highs at the higher frequency part.