please recommend me a good brand of weight gainer, good as in pricing and effectiveness. thanks.

Generally from a bodybuilder's point of view, I don't recommend weight gainers because most of the time they're loaded with too much simple sugars.

However if you're an underweight female, I've heard that Cytosport Cytogainer's good stuff.

I've seen results from Ultimate Nutrition's Muscle Juice and Optimum Nutrition's Serious Mass.

These are the economical onces that give you value for the buck.

I saw a few tubs of that at Ego's. LOL but the name muscle juice and serious mass might scare a lady off. Lol.

ah, a lady.. haha you might be right.

but hey, the results speak for themselves

Heh... would you like some muscle juice missy?

Eeek!

I'm taking Muscle Juice and True Mass now (sorry darkie) but it works for me. I combine half a serving each and I have gained 2 kgs in less than a week. 2 servings a day.

awesome stuff John, but you're no girl

we need a lady to testify, haha

im not a girl wtf

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Added on April 14, 2010, 2:49 amif i eat more than 2 egg yolks a day will i get high cholesterol?

This post has been edited by stargamer: Apr 14 2010, 02:49 AM

then dont use a Female tag =.=

no, it wont get you high cholesterol. this question has been answered too many times, you look through other threads for detailed explanation.

Then don't use a female tag! If you are a real male and using a female tag for just fun, then at least let us at H & F know in advance so we can advise you accordingly.

Haiz... some ppl just come here, throw a question and expect an answer without bother giving details.
rather ask them go read stickie.

UN Real Gain has Complex Carb only and perfect composition of Carb:Protien, 2:1
Recommended by muscle_fuel a.k.a Liaw Tek Leong and Wildcat90

Are you just starting out? This is totally just my opinion, but I think you can get away with just eating more in general (preferably whole foods) for now rather than having to spend a crapload of money on supplements which are incredibly expensive on a calories/ringgit basis.

I'll bet you my left nut that any professional bodybuilder WILL tell you that natural wholesome caloric dense foods > mass gainers ANYtime, anyday with absolute certainty.

ya i just starting out to train weights with a bunch of friends.

In that case, why not just buy more chicken/fish/steak/oats/potatoes/etc. with the money you would've used on the supplements? It'll be a lot more enjoyable to consume than any reconstituted weight gain powder being sold in the stores.


(PS Try keeping a food log)

I bet can you my left nut with absolute certainty that wholesome caloric dense natural foods will beat mass gainers anytime, anyday, period. And any successful bodybuilder will tell you the same thing.

That said, unless someone is seriously on a time constraint, then they're a last resort.

True, no doubt about it.

i bought this, recommended by the pharmacy salesperson
http://www.horleys.com/ViewProduct.aspx?id=13

rm125 for 750g

i saw that in most fitness concept outlets. dono how good though. looks expensive.

besides fitness concept, only jusco pharmacy sells this (i think).
i don't usually go for pharmacy weight gainer as i think they are overpriced. and horley is no exception.

Stargamer, that was overpriced bro.

You got ripped off. Why'd you bother asking on Low Yat if you went ahead and did that anyway?

sorry bro but for the price you paid, even GNC can give you a better deal.

Never buy Horleys, period. All their stuff are overpriced.

omg really? where can i get it cheaper then? anyone selling here?

I can sell you a 30-pack of eggs for RM 50. Good deal, bro!

Does it.... does it have anabolic properties? *Gasps*

30 pack?
satu pack brape telur dapat?
100?
huhu...need to do PCT after eat or not?
can stimulate muscle growth in 14 days?

btw, kat malaysia, why the exclusive gyms jual horleys is because its certified halal (i wonder brape diorang bayar to get that small stamp)
if ur into that, get scivation products, i already asked them in email and they dah cakap tak pakai BABI and all those kind of stuff - me muslim also ma...
scivation - low cals, low fat, low carbs, high BCAA
but then again, banyak je other products with that claim except bb.com recommended scivation whey and i've been using it ever since


This post has been edited by gtoforce: Apr 16 2010, 12:25 AM

I bough scivation from Bata. Good deal.

i bought from kmaru
tapi rarely ade discount la the whey
aritu got but i missed it
damn!
rm357 for the 10lbs
NICE!

what la babi? HAHHAHA....whey la kau ni.
the concern if you muslim is the RENNET used. but most of them used synthethic or or microbial rennets nowadays so dont have to worry tht much la.

this give me the hints to increase the price. LOL


Chow

o0o-__________________________________________________-o0o

Don't even think about it buddy.

NOOOOOO.....

if u increase, i hanta orang suruh bitas
huhuhuhuhu...
bulan 7 aku angkat scivation whey

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Added on April 16, 2010, 1:06 pmjust had nasik briyani (2 scoops) with 4 sambal telor with loads of papadom
there goes my diet
today gonna play legs till heart rate goes 180
hahahaha


This post has been edited by gtoforce: Apr 16 2010, 01:06 PM

UN's Real Gains is not bad. And so is BSN's True Mass. True Mass is expensive tho. But it's gooodddd! Very comprehensive nutrient profile and great protein:carbs ratio. Barely any sugars too.

hey guys,

i need to ask a question here.

currently im 50kg/165cm(thin), i want to gain weight and muscle at the same time.

what brand of supplement can u guys recommend me?should i go for weight gainer or whey protein?

help me pls XD really no idea what to get and not too over price. thx

fren suggested me to get bsn true mass to gain weight before going whey protein? can advise me?

This post has been edited by snowberry: Apr 26 2010, 12:30 AM

If you really want to take weight gainer, I'm taking BSN True Mass and UN MuscleJuice. I mix 1 1/2 scoop True Mass and 1 scoop MuscleJuice, 2 servings a day, with a proper breakfast, lunch, and dinner with sufficient protein, taking 6-7 whole eggs a day, and I've gained 3kg in the past 2 weeks plus. Of course weight gainer is not a must, but it is very convenient for me. Whey protein on the other hand (for me) is a must cuz I can't down 30 eggs a day... and I need the protein.

But then again, eggs are the cheapest alternative (if you're not worried about taking 30 yolks a day?)

dude whey protein is needed oso for ur daily protein intake so your muscles recover, thats the only way your body is going to get bigger/gain weight. i would seriously suggest u try eating a lot first and not rely on gainers unless u have really been eating alot for almost 3-4 weeks and still seeing no gains even after a consistent eating plan and workout routine.

but to answer ur question as a freakin chinaman with a money minded dad i went thru bata's list of mass gainers, and found one that I feel is the most worth.

http://www.fitnutritions.com/index.php?mai...c7c7a3609d9f2df

its UN Isomass xtreme gainer.. it may look expensive, 290 for 30 servings BUT. bcuz 1 serving = 3 scoop,instead of using 3 scp u can use 1 scoop to add on to consume after a meal instead. thats about 200+ xtra calories with 21+g protein. ok it may not be as great as some others that have 500 calories even after splitting.. but its good proteins with calories u need. that way ur looking at 290 for 90 small servings, not 30. n ur body absorbs better if u give it time to, by splitting into more meals, rather than chug a big portion down straight.

just my rm0.02.if moneys not a prob go for BSN,cyto or ON.whichever u prefer

so guys, is it better if i buy a weight gainer + eating consistently... or should i go for whey protein and eat consistently.

coz for now im only able to afford on type which is either weight gainer/whey protein.

Define eating consistently.

If you are currently underweight and looking to put on weight, then get a weight gainer.

Once you have reached your desired weight, and if you wish to go further, switch to whey protein to continue packing on muscle mass.

notice both your options have eating consistently. try that first. if doesnt work, get a gainer.

im in d same boat bro, and ive opted to eat more consistently. but my personal preference would be whey protein, jussttt my opinion la. cuz i believe practising to eat more determines your weight gain greatly. its an experience you would want to gain and feel the accomplishment of gaining weight without a weight gainer first if possible.but its just my opinion. getting enough calories isnt a problem, i drink 1L milk a day on top of my meals. take more eggs in the morning and after workout.

start by eating bigger meals, more protein each meal.if thats a problem, eat more meals. take snacks - tuna,nuts,sandwiches.drinking milk helps too,a cup of milk with each meal does wonders. most important, start a food log. that way u record wat u roughly ate for the day and noe roughly whether u ate enough protein for the day. usually if u have enough protein, u should have enough cals to gain weight. good luck

This post has been edited by cheezzzz: Apr 26 2010, 01:02 AM

eating enough calories to gain weight and eating enough protein (1-1.5g protein per pound bodyweight), consistently. this means not letting yourself starve or feel hungry. if ur skinny like me, dont let urself feel hungry. if u are, stuff food immediately.

target my required calorie 2200 for each day.


yes im currently underweight.
let me ask u guys 1 ting, do i use weight gainer to hit my desired weight then only start whey protein?

or is it whey protein at the same time gain muscle to hit the desired weight? if im so thin now, taking in whey protein and work out will let me gain more muscle and increase weight? or i need the mass to gain muscle? *confuse*

This post has been edited by snowberry: Apr 26 2010, 01:06 AM

oh gosh...
protein is to repair ur muscles (if u workout)
taking protein while sitting at home doesn't benefit u if u dont workout.
weight gainer( the name tells it all)

my suggestion since u r underweight.
eat a lot and if u can afford weight gainer go for it.
once u reach a stage where u think u dont need weight gainer, then u can stop it and get whey. good luck

don complicate things haha, if 2200 is what you need, can still smack on another 300-500 calories, just to make sure u gain. dont calculate too much on calories, just overeat abit and u confirm hit 2200 or more. but protein u have to try to eat at least the amount u calculated or more, helps a lot in recovery.

that mass u gain can be in form of muscle or fats. either way, still mass for u ma. can gain at the same time. as long as you are eating more calories than your body consumes, u will gain. very important golden rule.

u can use both.

ok. so the point is to remove the underweight by taking weight gainer and workout then lets say 60kg for me, then only start whey protein. correct?

btw what do u guys think abt bsn true mass? is there any other cheaper recommended brand(weight gainer)

so which brand of weight gainer actually effective for the new starter like me. wanna gain much weight desperately after failed by eating consistently.

thx for the advise.

the thing u should be worried is gaining FAT from these weight gainers

i dont get it.

some weight gainers contain significant amount of fat and sugar.
please read the nutritional label before you purchase.
do not just look at the calories per gram you will get from the weight gainer.

if i remembered correctly, serious mass is more value for money in terms of calories, meaning more calorie/$$. Truemass on the other hand, has higher protein/carbs ratio. these were the findings when we compared Serious mass, Truemass, and muscle juice. (if i remembered correctly)
So depending on your goal, serious mass if u desperaetly wanna gain weight without minding a lil fat gain. I've gained 14Kg in 5 months using serious mass. However, i would like to point out that weight gainers are not magic powders.Taking whole food is way better. Slowly replace the weight gainer with whole food as u proceed.

like john91 asked, define eating consistently. how bout u share w us ur eating plan/diet? i thought i was eating alot until I read up about the guys diet plans here..

also, it isnt just about eating. do u lift weights? if you wanna gain weight, it'll be easier if you lift weights, especially if you're a hardgainer like me haha. i tried eating a lot last time, but my weight still stagnant. now lifting weights and eating 80% consistently and resting has made me gained weight, i was at 58 about 3-4 months back now about 61-62kg.

the_torch is right. it depends on your goal and whether you mind the fat cuz weight gainers usually have a lot of calories. gaining weight is roughly based on this concept

calories in (from eating food) - calories out (how much our body needs or burns)
= whether you gain weight or not

if your calories in > calories out, u definitely will gain. if you're not eating more than your body needs/burns.. u simply wont gain. this is true even if you do not lift weights. but if you're a hardgainer (like me), no matter how much u eat u still cant gain - then you need to put your body in a state where it needs the protein to rebuild muscles, so you can gain muscle MASS, NOT BULGING MUSCLES that ppl are afraid of getting (if it were so easy to get that big who would still wana workout at a gym? lift at home few times and become the hulk la!). mass is what you want no? to get in that state, lift weights, start by following a strength training programme and eat enough.

http://www.wikihow.com/Gain-Weight - explains why u need to lift weights to gain weight, pretty informative.

This post has been edited by cheezzzz: Apr 26 2010, 10:42 AM

any1 using EAS product?

im having ON serious mass 12lbs...btw you not girl ?

yea, u boy or girl? lol

Used EAS 100% whey,no difference from ON!

got a question guys, since we're talking about whey, scivation or ON whey? which do u prefer and why?

I like Scivation. Cheap n cheerful.

Got em for RM300 for 10kgs from Ego

eh? so cheap? price is so diff to compared to whats shown on their website. isit LYN discount ah ahahha

Clearance sale Expires next year.

daaayyyummmm. when was it? u think they gonna have another one soon Syd?

if u got any news on that lemme noe pleasee

I'm such a dimwit.. it was 10lbs instead of 10kg

But still...

I think it was sometime earlier this year. Cant remember. Will tell if they hv another one

LOL u had me there for a moment. bata's selling at that price too, shipping included. but hey im sure they may have even better prices during clearances hehhe

thanks syd!

not 10kg, its 10lbs

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Added on April 26, 2010, 10:15 pmON. Scivation is great, taste and price wise but it doesn't have the enzyme blend that ON contains, which seems to make a difference to me.

While I was on ON, i never had gassiness. But now on scivation, I feel the gas brewing away.

but thats just me, everyone has a difference tolerance, so if you are not the type tat gets gassed up easy, then Scivation would be a good deal.

This post has been edited by tineagle: Apr 26 2010, 10:15 PM

Any comments about Muscle Juice 2600?

im sharing this account with my gf.. guy's nick with female tag.. haha ...

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Added on April 26, 2010, 11:22 pmhmmm not really working for me.. consumed for 3 months but no results.. maybe less weight lifting.. took them before went to bed... conclusion got lil bit belly d.. hahhaa

This post has been edited by saddient: Apr 26 2010, 11:22 PM

I'm mixing it with True Mass. MuscleJuice is one of the cheapest weight gainer around but its protein to carb ratio is very bad. So there are A LOT of carbs in it. Therefore you get more calories. And if you aren't an ecto like me most prolly you'll get a belly if you take it pre bed. It works for me tho. I'm having steady gains. Although bf% also rising a bit.

i pernah rasa a bit
gile babi manis

hey guys

i found this weight gainer Muscle Juice Revolution 2600, 1 serving give up to 1k calorie compared to bsn true mass only 600 calorie per serving. also the protein muscle juice gives more. how come the diff so big on the calorie?

any comments on it?

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/un/muscl...lution2600.html

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/bsn/true.html

endos stay away from this evil
i tried Universal nutrition weight gainer
ice cream choc - memang sedap giler
but after 2 weeks by love handles bloat even with hard cardio
hahaha

do u mean dam hard to consume?

perserving is too much to drink?

why la u take gainers from the start

Chow

Weight gainers are only perfect for one thing imo. PWO drink. Other times meh...

huh? shouldn't take gainers from start o.0



btw guys

if bsn true mass, muscle juice 2544/2600, serious mass which 1 will u go for?

if to increase weight for skinnies also muscle at the same time with workout

This post has been edited by snowberry: Apr 27 2010, 02:03 AM

im referring to gtoforce
he's endo


Chow

The main ingredients in a weight/mass gainer are maltodextrin and/or dextrose + some cheap protein (perhaps not even whey protein standard unless stated). They may add some other ingredients which are so small in quantity that they could be totally disregarded.

And when you look at some gainers which have high carb contents but very very low sugar levels, you may start thinking that they are good ones due to the low sugar levels. That's not true because maltodextrin is categorized by many supplement companies as a complex carb and hence does not fit into the "sugar" category. However, maltodextrin is extremely high in GI and would induce a great insulin spike upon consumption. Therefore, gainers are best consumed first thing in the morning or as a post workout shake.

I think that you could get maltodextrin in packets from local pharmacies. Shouldn't be too expensive. Definitely way cheaper than gainers though. Add a scoop of whey to your desired amount of maltodextrin + dextrose and you'll have a weight gainer. A lot of products can be self-made at a way cheaper price like Lipo 6, NO Xplode, True Mass etc etc. That would be bad for bata's business though. Lol.

Thx for the reviews

@John91- I'm pretty sure I'm ecto as well so I think I wouldn't gain a belly that fast

Anyway how about ON Serious Mass?It is quite cheap as well,better than Muscle Juice?
Currently only afford to buy 1 type of weight gainer

P/S: I will go for workout as well

WAIT WAIT! 10kg ???

or 10lbs?

think its 10lbs...got ppl sell 10kg 1 meh ._.

yeah jamis chilling bro its 10lbs hahahaha

got 20lbs egg protein from Universal. u guys want kah. hahaha


Chow

I think you'll gain fat if not becarefull. look at the sugar content

aku ambik dulu bro
long time ago
aku suke trial and error
hahaha

can u explain smth to me..u see for bsn true mass, it gives only 630 calorie and 46g of protein per serving.

whereas muscle juice 2600 gives 1050 calorie and 56g of protein, and more servings available.

my aim to change my skinny look and get some muscle with workout

isn't it better to get muscle juice 2600 compare to bsn true mass?

can u pls give me advise.

sorry to ask so many question ><

This post has been edited by snowberry: Apr 27 2010, 06:33 PM

At the rate you're asking questions, I know you're the type who depends too much of supps to gain muscular mass. Are you even getting in enough food in the first place?

then u have to calculate how heavy is per serving for both.
here's the math for u:
for bsn true mass, u need to consume 145g to get 630 cal (4.34cal/g)
for muscle juice u need to take 265g to get 1020 cal (3.85cal/g)
wat u think now?


This post has been edited by janson_kaniaz: Apr 27 2010, 08:09 PM

for me its quite hard to eat a lot of meals per day...coz i dun feel hungry easily.

i can like hit 1.5k+- calorie per day, another 700 more calorie is hard. eat too much make me wana throw up ._.

tats why i need something to boost my calorie abit.

but if u take bsn per serving 630 calorie, if u add more scoops per day its like only 10-13 servings maybe?

muscle juice give 19 servings, but 265g is hard to consume/drink? i nv taken any weight gainer supplement before.


This post has been edited by snowberry: Apr 27 2010, 08:32 PM

if money is an issue, go for muscle juice.
bsn true mass gives more complete nutritions to me as per the label. this is up to indivdual.

just make sure u take weight gainer after meal coz some of them will make u feel bloated. dun use this as an excuse to skip solid meal.

I would say you take proper food and just whey. Scivation 10lbs from bata is a good deal. Newbies shoudn't take weight gainer imo. Tweak your diet right first. Get used to 6 meals a day, take your whey to meet your required protein intake level and then maybe after training for a year, then only consider weight gainer. After you know more about your body and what you respond to.

A proper diet and whey is all you need. You'll get good beginner gains if you do it right.

+1

preach it john!

u wanna throw up?
how many meals u take per day bro?
if u take like 500-700kcal per serving memang la muntah
well unless they're like pizza or nasik lemak
haha