And make lots of dupes?

Would anyone agree that:


also, why provide connections capable of downloading >1GB in an hour and then complaining when people do exactly that. seems like TM wants customers to pay full price for high speed BUT use sparingly to ensure their profits.

It took 5 hours to set up my unifi last time...my neighbor even worst...8 hours....i think you will be expecting 3-6 hours of installation....dont expect they will do it in 1 hour..streamyx can la even less....

1k salary on both side

3mb 27.9SGD = 9.3 per mb so 4mb =37.2...

they pay $37 for 4mb...roughly...we pay 140-150....even 24x(blood sucker) at starting

even after conversion only RM93....leave the throttle problem aside...its the freaking price....we have to pay insane amount of money on top of all the connection problem

even their 10mb is way way way way cheaper than our 2mb or 4mb...its ur singtel btw

well, we can't just do direct conversion of the rate, and compare the prices... alot of factors are being taken into consideration, esp the cost of living, and salary range, etc.

why cost of living and salary range have something to do with how ISP decide the price ?

because that defines demand. ISPs are firms too, like any firm their goal is to make profit. they have to adjust price to a level where the consumers demand will generate the most revenue.

If you must compare, let me do it for you. Lets compare apple to apple. In SG, singtel equivalent is their MIO Home 10Mbps which includes ADSL Line, free call to all fixed home line and IPTV equivalent and it cost $57 all inclusive per month. That's like RM135 here?

Unifi 10Mbps cost RM199. Is that really much of a difference? Not to mention, how long has 10Mbps be around in SG now? Forever? and how old is our HSBB? 1 week old? 2 at most?


You expect a new service which is even faster than our old ADSL and yet cheaper? What are they going to do with the existing service ADSL then? phase it out immediately?

Now let me turn it the other way round for you, RM199 is about $83 in SG. For me, a new technology, Fibre internet @10 Mbps, $83 wouldnt be a ridiculous price to ask for, isn't it? Of course it wouldn't be that expensive when it's released, but still i would expect a 10Mbps would be in the $60+ range, otherwise it'll defeat the purpose of the existing ADSL.

This post has been edited by gzero: Mar 28 2010, 12:58 PM

While it is true that you can download more with a higher speed connection, please also consider the other point of view. That is, with a higher speed connection, you can download what you used to downoad faster than you used to do. This means you can work more efficiently and save time. So higher speed does not just mean more download, it also helps in being more efficient and productive. It also opens up uses for applications that may not have been possible before.

The problem is that we are only concentrating on wanting to download more with higher speeds. When you moved from 1M to 4M, it was most likely because you felt 1M was too slow to download a movie (for example). Using a 4M, you could download it faster. That was probably the intention. The side effect was that you also now had time to download even more. Thus the thinking became the faster the speed, the more downloads. This is not wrong, but my point is there is also another view to it.


If the NS highway speed limit is raised from 110Km to 150Km, it means you can go from KL to Johor to see your family in less time than it used to take. It does not necessarily mean you can visit 2 or 3 times a day.

actually most politicians, higher ups dont want to hear what sporeans can buy with their money and so forth...

i think the point you guys want to make is that the pricing for the VIP packages are too expensive?

maybe we can instead quote, average income of a malaysian / potential customer and how the current package prices relate to it etc

Do not agree

What tmnet is doing now is basically saying. Ok, you paid RM100 for this cake. However, you can't eat the whole cake, you can only take one bite. Even though you paid for the whole cake, because other people also paid for the whole cake, so they can also want to take a bite. Don't be greedy and selfish! Other people also want to eat the cake ok!

They charge you for a whole cake, but only give you one bite. They charge everyone for the whole cake, and give each one bite, the more people buy the whole cake, the smaller your share becomes. From a business point of view, this is amazing, because your cost remains the same, but your profits increase with each new customer. And the customers are all so gullible to accept the one bite for a price of a full cake.

If secret recipe were to do this, surely kena sue already. Yet there are people still defending tmnet.

i saw $47 ...why u wan compare with highest o_O...i thought most consumer compare with lowest price o_O

if compare how old....our streamyx 2mb is consider old enough to compare? our OLD ADSL(copper) is almost the same as their Faster HSBB(Fiber)pricing?

logically speaking it should be theirs more expensive because of low subscriber and "expensive international bandwidth" and yet they are cheaper....

u compare same speed oso more exp...u compare to low speed also more exp than theirs

existing ADSL? reduce price....phase out and upgrade ( same as reduce price)


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btw...is there any official bandwidth cap on singtel broadband?

This post has been edited by dr2k3: Mar 28 2010, 01:36 PM

I think you are misunderstanding. You do not pay for the whole cake. You are paying for your share of the cake. Everyone is paying for a share only, not the dedicated cake.

btw...is there any official bandwidth cap on singtel broadband?

no option to del post = ="

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Added on March 28, 2010, 1:16 pmactually we are only paying for 1 bite....i estimate 1mb dedicated lease line is around 2-3k?simply guess...

25:1....25 people share 1 line =/

This post has been edited by dr2k3: Mar 28 2010, 01:25 PM

TBH I'm worried now that they suspended the cap. This means a small population of heavy downloaders (maybe the whiners from the boycott thread) are going to take the lion's share of the international backbone and ruin the internet experience of us normal users. The international link isn't keeping up with the demand increase from FTTH.

I've been reading this thread since it started. They are comparing services from SG and MY. Well im currently in NZ for another 3 years and I think UniFi is better than any service over here.(besides the cap) Internet over here is very fast but damn expensive. Im paying RM 250 for 10mbps with only a 30GB package. If I pass my 30gb I need to pay RM5 for every GB I pass. Sigh...

This post has been edited by cyclonekid: Mar 28 2010, 01:23 PM

Read my blog to find out my experience so far... HERE

I haven't paid anything, but then again, nothing much has actually happened.

This post has been edited by Arlington: Mar 28 2010, 01:21 PM

No, they are paying for priority. So using a cake analogy, they get their cake before everyone else. Even if you were first in line and they came 2 hours later, they get the cake before you.

Doesn't mean you don't get your cake. Your cake just has lower priority. Which is the problem they are having now. They can't produce enough cakes, so they are giving one cake to many people who paid for 1 cake, instead of increasing production to give 1 cake to people who paid for it.

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Added on March 28, 2010, 1:47 pmNo, you don't understand the analogy

cake = bandwidth
factory/oven = international line

The better their production line (international line), the more cakes they can deliver (bandwidth). When you pay a fully dedicated line, you get your cake as priority, no matter what, you get your cake first. Which is fine, because not everyone is going to always buy full cakes, most of the time, people just buy slices, so you can accomodate that sort of demand.

Problem is when normal people are ordering more and more full cakes, and you can't keep up with the demand. You going to blame the consumers for ordering full cakes when you told them you can deliver it? Or are you going to increase your production to support it?

This post has been edited by silverhawk: Mar 28 2010, 01:47 PM

ur priority make sense....

they r giving one cake to too many people......still we pay for only a portion of the cake..not the whole

whole cake(whole dedicated 1mb "pipeline" = 2-3k)(true 1mb or whatever mb dedicated lease line is 20 times more than what u are currently paying)...thats why we have 25:1 contention ratio....they split the cost between 25 end user so it seems slightly affordable to consumer

This post has been edited by dr2k3: Mar 28 2010, 01:54 PM

U means they oversell their bandwidth right?