Your question is quite vague but I suppose it's for one-person use presumably connected to your PC/game console? This is a personal call and if you think you can get more satisfaction out of it and can justify it for personal use, why not?

this one i personally confirmed by a month
32 inch will be so small....trust me.
good luck

for panasonic 50" plasma tv

if there a huge different between fullHD(1080p) and HD(720p) models?

in terms of picture quality and price

thanks

Got my Pana 50 V20K yesterday. Set it up last night and have clocked 2:53 hrs when I checked this morning. Impressed and happy with the picture quality though at low settings for the first 200 hrs.

Like to know from the Sifus how long is too long for static images, e.g. TV1 logo on the top right hand side. 30 mins ? 60 mins ? Or longer ?

Thanks.

i go do a price yeterday for P42X rm1800 and P50U is rm3600 is both price ok?

still dont know whcih too choose.

Of course there is a difference and so does the price. To appreciate the difference, your viewing distance to the TV is the main factor.

Not very sure if there is an agreed length of time. My family sometimes viewed the same channel for >2-4 hours straight but most of the time, they will change channels when there is a commercial break for example. Most people will change something if they are fully engaged to the TV during the boring parts. Just try to ensure that it is full screen most of the time i.e. without the black bars at the sides or top/bottom (and that is trying to exercise every single plasma cell in the TV so that it is more even). If you want to accelerate the aging of your TV's phosphors for a more stable early calibration, you can try to break in via the photo slideshows or break-in DVDs.

Problems may arise when people use the TV irresponsibly e.g. go off and do something else (e.g. falling asleep) while the TV is still on.

Relax and enjoy your TV in the usual way without too many rules.

Thanks PoorMan.

One thing I forgot to add in my previous thread. After the 200 hrs, I assume the black top and bottom bars are acceptable especially when watching movies. My layman's view is that the burn-in after 200 hrs will not be that bad anymore though it can still happen. Right ?

Happy New Year & Going Xii Fatt Chai to all !!

This post has been edited by plumberly: Jan 30 2011, 11:14 AM

On price, sure there are differences. V model is almost double the price of the X model. The U model is somewhere in between.

As for PQ, don't go around comparing them side by side and if you are not picky, where got any difference?

But if you do, sure got differences.

So how to answer your question?

It all comes down to your source material. If you getting pasar malam DVD or standard Astro then won't make much difference. If you watching blu ray then you will start to see the difference. If your source not fullhd then makes no difference.

I got a friend who bought a RM 20k projection tv and complain not clear. When I asked him what he watching, he says Astro and cheap DVDs. Garbage in garbage out.

This post has been edited by Bishop: Jan 30 2011, 11:45 AM

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With the modern plasmas, you can hardly get burn-in unless you willfully abuse it e.g. using it for some kind of advertisements by running same static image day in and day out for months and months. The worse you can get via normal TV usage is some image retention which can be washed away by mixing the content through regular usage (mixed OTA, Astro HD, Astro SD, Bluray, games, PC, photos etc contents).

Don't imagine you will only watch 2.35:1 or 4:3 AR movies all the time and every time? The concern here is that you don't use the whole screen which results in uneven colours at the black bar areas compared to the rest of the screen and not so much because it will cause burn-in image.

anyway, my dad got the cheapest 50" plasma 50x20 (gift from his boss).. with good movie source (720p or 1080p bdrip), the picture looks great

An update on the 50U20.

I mentioned earlier that I suspect the True Cinema mode has better blacks. Yesterday, when calibrated a U20 I noticed that the black levels in TrueCinema with brightness set to 0 is about 0.009ft/l - 0.01ft/L. This is much better than in Cinema mode of about 0.06ft/L. (I need to verify these numbers with my newer meter that is more accurate for black measurements that I shd receive in February).But there is a catch and u can verify it urself. If u raise the brightness by one notch, if u go near the display there is excessive noise in the black areas (dithering of all the sub pixels that elevate the levels to dark grey) that cause the elevated black levels. So, u will hv to lose some details in the black (ideally on the pluge pattern 17 and above would be visible, in this u would barely see 19 and above) to get better black levels. The good news does not stop there, the gamma tracking in the True Cinema is is so much better hovering between 1.95 - 2.1. So the image in a dark/dim room is that much better. The more important thing is that the colour gamut, is now accurate, no more wide gamut. There is a colour decoding error and the secondary colours are not that great but its much better than in Cinema mode where it is wide gamut! Also I was able to go much brighter white window of 36ft/L in TrueCinema without clipping compared to Cinema mode.

I will calibrate one more U20 this week and will gather more data. If this is repeatable, it makes U20 worth its money. The only issue is the not too great anti reflective coating that is a minus point.

So for those who own a U20 and do not plan on getting it calibrated, select TrueCinema and check the brightness out urself. Pull a movie that has 2.35:1 bars and increase/decrease the brightness and get very close (1-2in) frm the screen to see the black levels change. I would set it so that the noise disappears and remember that u r losing some shadow details, but its not too much.

bro anfieldude

wow !!! impressive for the U

is it safe to say the V series should have better black levels that the U series.

Yes the V series has better blacks and will also preserve the blacks better with the better filters. Also it does not crush black to render low black levels. For the U to have impressive blacks I had to crush blacks a little.Also pls do remember that the U series that I calibrated had not gone thru the black level rise as yet as it only had 600hrs on it. So the black levels will deteriorate some more.

I would like to understand but all I see is

In short, if u own a U20 use the True Cinema mode and leave brightness at 0. The black levels are best at this setting.

So embarrassing. I tried playing around with the setting and at the end, still find everything at default setting best. At the end of the day, I was wondering why I even bother playing around with setting because it's obvious I am not good at it

As for True Cinema. It's too dim and the color dull so unless I switch off the room light, I don't use it. Most of the time, I stick to either Cinema or Normal.

For the set that I calibrated yesterday, I set the contrast to about 70+ and that got me a brighter picture than Cinema. Normal is plenty bright due to the nature of the gamma and white crush. This is for dim room viewing of HD sources. Again, nothing beats a calibration so this is arbitrary.

This post has been edited by anfieldude: Jan 31 2011, 06:44 PM

as you watch and observe more movies on your TV set and browse around at the showroom , later your trained eyes will be able to see all the differences bewteen a high end and low end models ,especialy the important black levels .

if you believe all TV sets PQ looks the same , stay that way , as that may save you from complaining how awful our TV PQ are and probably , will save you lots of money as the urge to upgrade for newer models is great and sometimes uncontrollable but than , without owning the top-end models ,you miss the satisfaction of knowing and experiencing how incredibly beautiful your TV PQ can be.

i am a big fan of Panny V series as this model have very low glare as i can even set the contrast at 50 and brightness at -8 and it still give me very satisfactory PQ . can't really stand the high contrast LED

whatever you have , no win no lose here , it all depends on how you view them

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