Go see AVSforum. There are talks that Panny S2 is worse than S1.

Its not going backwards in technology, however, it is reducing features. The pricing for the 2010 X series intro pricing is almost 25% off compared to the 2009 models. Something had to give. Also while the ability of playing AVCHD using a SD is good to have it does nothing to improve the PQ. I believe Panny took it out as they must have figured that most BD players are capable of doing it anyway, so why the redundancy.

The 2010 models are a step forward in tech compared to 2009 models.

a step forward in tech compare to 2009 models?

mind to share?

klchew posting above said in anotherforum, the newer model is NOT better compare to old model wor

I have seen calibration charts of the newer models and they are an improvement compared to the 2010 models. The problems are floating blacks.
Floating blacks can be calibrated out albeit not completely.

Lower black levels (approaching Kuro 8G, but it will deteriorate with time), better colour accuracy, brighter whites. This is based on the S20s. I believe the X is not so popular in the US as its not full HD. The one annoyance is the gamma is still tracking lower!

I will see for myself when I get the chance to calibrate one in about a months time. However, I am pretty sure that they will be a step up compared to 2009 models in the areas I mentioned.

never check x10 so dont know how to compare
but the only dif is the remote control X28 have PC/TV/AV, but X10 hav SD/TV/AV
so far i have not to view any 720P source yet the highest is 480P and it's quite good quality for this price.
I dont notice any reflection except when off the tv.
the smoothness of'cos can not compare with full HD (the price also expensive) but still i have not try 720p yet

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Added on April 8, 2010, 11:00 ami wonder how to calibrate try to follow AV forum solution but seem can not burn a iso DVD.

This post has been edited by lamdogkc: Apr 8 2010, 11:00 AM

lamdogkc,

but the screen is still glare type, rite?

or ... there's any anti-glare coating?

just came back from "the" shop.

towkey shown me the brand new x28k, offering me RM 2880.

actually im looking for the x10k but he said, x10k no longer available or maybe out of stock right now since the x28k introduced a month ago.

however....my q is, is it x10k are good plasma to buy?

my prediction, if x10k are good, so the x28k must be better even though it is cheaper than x10k.

Hi guys,

I'm new to Plasma, currently planning to get a 42" Plasma need some advice from you expert here.
I read somewhere : http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1167339

May I if this problem also in the new Panasonic P42X28K?
Has anyone bought this unit and encountered such problem?

Appreciate some experience sharing here, thanks in advance!

this sounds like some serious issue ! I was almost set at getting a Pana 42 or 50

This post has been edited by kalido: Apr 8 2010, 01:10 PM

Yes, 13G Panny's will have the same issue, but the rise in blacks are more gradual.

Will u be able to see it? Yes if u look for it, but mostly only in dim/dark environment. For brighter environment, it might not be so apparent.

But doesn't this defy one of the main purpose of gettin a plasma over a LCD ? The great black levels .
I just had a look at some pics in AVS . It's terrifying , once fully settled in the black levels look worse then some lcds.....WTF

Buy Panny 99% chance U get floating blacks. Buy Sammy U can "potentially" get IR.

Choice is yours...unless U got deep pockets, get Kuro.

chewkl,

Some not so good info for u. This years Sammy plasmas are worse off in black levels compared to Pannys and LGs....(Yes LGs!)

emmm....looks like will need to jump wagon to LCD now....lol . Wanted this for my parent's place since I already have a Kuro

Aiyoh, cannot afford Kuro la.....

Honestly, I don't intend to spend too much due to rapid technology advancement, may be change TV on yearly basis. So I'm looking for best budget deal.

Actually the main reason for me to get my first Plasma is for the up-coming Worldcup. My eyes really cannot tahan fast moving things on LCD, also somehow I don't seem to "see" more natural colours on LCD.

I'm not really worry about IR since I won't use it for gaming or computer stuff. Even with static channel logo, I'm hoping that the latest technology can help to "erase-off".

But from my short viewing at Harvey, correct me if I'm wrong, it seem to me that Samsung's reflection is more than Panasonic, or is it because of the lighting & positioning at shop?

Also, I noticed that PS42C450 has "clear" reflection image whereas the previous model PS42B450 has somehow double-image reflection. Or is it just my eyes problem ??

Can someone help to re-confirm this ?

This post has been edited by klseet: Apr 8 2010, 01:48 PM

So buying a Panny is a no-no, and the new Samsungs have lousy black levels. What's left to buy? If I get a LCD, then I run the risk of having a set with black-light clouding which is the ultimate disaster. How about a Sammy B650? Is that still a good buy?

Bro Anfieldude, yes I did read about that in AVSforums. But it was not stated if the Sammy's 2010 models are worse than the 2009 models?

My new pad will be ready in 2 weeks and I am shifting in before the end of May. I may not have the time to wait for the C6500 to arrive and could just get last years B650. I believe the S2 will also not arrive before then. Or I could fork out a little more for the C7000...

Anyways just for the benefit of others, here's the list of PDPs registered with Malaysia Energy Comission in the year 2010, so we should be able to see them soon. No luck on Sammy's C6500 and Panny's S2.

SAMSUNG PS50C550G1R
SAMSUNG PS50C430A1
SAMSUNG PS42C450B1
SAMSUNG PS58C7000YR
SAMSUNG PS50C7000YR
SAMSUNG UA46C5000QR
SAMSUNG PS63C7000YR
SAMSUNG PS42C430A1
SAMSUNG PS50C450B1

PANASONIC TH-P46U20S
PANASONIC TH-P46U20V
PANASONIC TH-P46U20K
PANASONIC TH-P50U20S
PANASONIC TH-P50U20V
PANASONIC TH-P50U20K
PANASONIC TH-P42A28K
PANASONIC TH-P42X28K
PANASONIC TH-P50X20K
PANASONIC TH-P46X20K
PANASONIC TH-P50V20K
PANASONIC TH-P42V20K
PANASONIC TH-P42X20K
PANASONIC TH-P42A20K

I got this from Panny's press release at http://www.pmpressroom.com/products/press%...eng%20final.pdf

U Series
Panasonic’s VIERA U20 series will be available in 1 screen size – the TH-P50U20K, a
50-inch class Plasma Full HDTV.
The U line of VIERA Plasma and LCD Full HDTVs feature 600 Hz Sub-field Drive, SD
Link to watch digital still JPEG images, three HDMI connections, VIERA Link and 1080p
Full HD resolution. The panels are lead and mercury free and are rated up to 100,000
hours, at which time they will achieve half brightness.

Is that the same thing as the raising black levels?

This post has been edited by chewkl: Apr 8 2010, 02:23 PM

Do u think the SAMSUNG PS50C7000YR will cost more than RM 7000?
Cnet states a price of USD 1800.

Its hard to buy a Panny with the black level issues.

for lay people like me, the word calibrate scares me. All we want is plug and play straight out from the box. Wah, panasonic sudah jatuh standard lah, I might as well buy Sony LCD. Looks nicer also

So guys am i right to be jumping into LCDs right now?

I'm looking at LED backlight models......