well.. i anticipated xbox games more than ps2.. just check out the list..

- chaos theory
- forza
- Jade empire
- doom3
- advent rising
- MC3
- conker
- San Andreas (just played a bit w/ ps2 version, better wait for xbox since got more fps)

.. ok.. ps2...
- FFXII
...

im sorry matrix to let u know that i own all 3 system... and u love xbox so much..
wow i have an xbox here.. im so glad u love it.. u love my system... wow
sigh...

from this post now on im not talking to matrix..
and this is not a debate between u n me anymore....
cuz im all upset and im not speaking anything logically..
ok ignore me cuz im crazy...
end of story...

game rankings is a site where all reviews marks are posted from magazines.. online game sites... its not a poll.. and if that doesn't prove that ps2 has more better games than xbox.. i dont plan to debate any further..
yes you can say you dont like JAPANESE RPG or whatever...and YES and i dont plan to make you LOVE the ps2.. but it doesnt mean that THOSE JAPANESE RPG are not GREAT GAMES, U got what i mean?


i am not here to debate on personal preferences.. if u like xbox more.. fine with me
but fact is PS2 has more GREAT games than xbox.. u cannot deny that...

nvm i wont say anything about this anymore
im labelled ps2 fanboy.. thanks!

I'm getting an Xbox soon. The reason is that I'm actually have more preference towards FPS gaming & racing. Seeing that Halo series really interests me a lot & other games too like Forza Motorsport( hope this will give GT4 a good fight, along with Enthusia) & others.

It's the GAMES that got my attention, not the hardware spec uberness or anything. So, after this I'll be a multi-console owner wuhoo!

2 years of PS2 ... I think I'm gonna try a new system now(Xbox), just like Sakaguchi-san of the FF producer that decides to joins Micro$oft. FF series on Xbox2 definitely gonna be something.

No offense to PS2 owners, including me. Just my 2 cents .

Man you need to chill up man. Everytime you post you are sorta starting a debate war.
You need to check up with your post.
Everytime you post you will be saying ps2 has better game than any other console/platform but i don't post xbox has alot more great games than ps2 etc.

It's just like movies. Titanic....sold alot but i freaking hate that movie. Review gave titanic A+, doesn't mean i gona love it. Bring a masterpiece fps game to a strategy gamer, he will tell you that's a piece of crap. Simple logic.

I couldn't recall the time i said those game are not great game. I only remember something abt saying if you like those game, then you should go for it.
I do however, remember most of the time you bring out the debate about ps2 have alot of games, other console no match for its library. You are forcing others to say it's nice then you get abit agitated.


If you are not what's up with all the post about ps2 having more great games? Did you play NHL, baseball games? You play the games or you just read the review.

It's all boiled down to the same ol' thing.
PS2 target at certain audience...same goes to xbox and gamecube. That's why they are people who buy ps2, some buy xbox etc. Why they are still people who buy xbox, gamecube when ps2 have alot more "great games"???

then you are the minority.. thats all..
when i debate.. i show prove n figures...
and what do i see from you? hmph.. personal thought and feelings...
these kind of talk has no end..

what nfl r u talking about?
i had already given u a list of great ps2 games already.. mostly are series that means there are more than 1 game... and that exclude nfl..

i dont have bias opinion.. i didnt say that xbox game lacks quality.. i didnt condamn xbox in anyway... in fact xbox is the only system i hook up with my HDTV and surround for the media center thingy.. how i can be "way too ps2 supporter" by showing you average reviews by gamerankings proving the ps2 has more quality games than xbox?

and what you did is juz saying that you dont play nfl, you dont like japanese RPG, you dont play robot game coz its too long...
aren't those personal opinion of yours?
so where is the fact in your word?

and im called upset ps2 supporter..
really, do i potray fanboyism by putting up figures from a credible source? if so, then gamerankings.com must be ps2 biggest fanboy..

The list you mention last time, i already told you everything. That list didn't even make it into the word big library of games.
Check back the last discussion between me and you (and you almost make it a flame war). I always say it's just personal preference and you will say no, ps2 have more quality games than xbox. Is that not bias? Fanboi is when someone condem his fav console, he will get frustrated. That's what happen in last discussion and here now.
IF you don't like that particular of exclusive what so exclusive about that games?

I don't play those games are my opinion...but they are alot more people like me out there. Besides all your facts are only from that site. Top ranking gmae are still gamecube, where are all your big library of ps2 games. It's big if the games are your type. Is the movie titanic theory that hard to understand? Not everybody like ship sink romance love story.

The nhl are just example of top ranking games. You are not even playing it and yet you say it's great. If you are not an upset ps2 fanboy, why everytime you are acting like some hot boiled water once this kind of topic is up while other are just cool.

Gamecube have the best ranking in that site but in real world, ps2 sold the most...xbox 2nd gamecube 3rd. I bet gamecube must be sux, right? Since it's not personal preference.

I think we should get back to the topic instead of letting other finding useless info in this thread.

This post has been edited by PrivateJohn: Mar 3 2005, 01:30 AM

wow.. now i am hot boiled!
u must have a computer that generate heat after reading my post!
LOLzzz

so you condem my favoriite console... hmph
first how do u know ps2 is my favourite console? Nope, its not
did i get frustrated becoz you CONDEM my favorite console? Nope, im not
im frustrated coz somehow you are argueing to me about xbox having more better games than ps2...

Haha.. u made too many assumption for your own good..

and now somehow you are saying exclusive are not that exclusive if you dont like it...
wow.. now exclusive is somehow less important here.. Lol..no offense but is xbox your first console?


u dont need a prove to this.. a gamer itself should already know how big ps2 library is... *hint* look around top 100 if still u dont agree here..

ps:
you can take this as a discussion.. look i am not condemning your xbox.. or flaming you...


This post has been edited by prazole: Mar 3 2005, 01:44 AM

If you are not like what i said....other wouldn't have said so...it's not just me.

Anyway, i will just let you win and agree with you. Gamecube sold the least but with top ranking. This must have been the console is bad itself. You just couldn't understand the simple logic.

BTW, i have ps2 first before xbox.

This post has been edited by PrivateJohn: Mar 3 2005, 01:48 AM

haha.. gamecube sold the least?
where? in malaysia?
its true coz they dont have games selling at RM7..
not many ppl can afford buying games at RM200 each

in japan.. sorry.. xbox is the least..
so your point is?
please enlighten me with your LOGIC, please...

dun take this as a flame.. im still discussing with logics..

This post has been edited by prazole: Mar 3 2005, 01:48 AM

IMO, this sort of topic only act as a catalyst for fanboy nationalism to flare up whenever opportunity knocks. If you really have to be a fanboy of something, be a fan of the games. Go where the games go. People defending a particular console are just those who either narrow minded and close their minds towards other options or those who are unfortunate to buy one and only one console and had to justify their decision of buying that particular console by defending it to kingdom come.I applaud Zaryl for his stand in this, he goes where the games go, and not because the Xbox b****slaps the other two consoles with its supposed better specs. If we want to get into this kind of argument then my gaming rig spanks all my other three consoles into submission.

Go where the games are. Sakaguchii-san left SquareEnix for Xbox2 with his Mistwalker company, if he decides that the next FF goes to Xbox2, then im there. If the creative team in SquareEnix owns the rights to FF and sticks the next FF to PS3, im there too. If SquareEnix decides the unimaginable and sticks the next-gen FF to Revolutions, i'll be buying it in an instant. The point here is, go where the games are.

But also, just because the games you want mosts generally resides more on your preferred console, does not mean that other consoles does not have its advantages. You'll never see ICO, Wanda and the Colossus, Tekken series and others on consoles other than the PS2. Dont go belittling the games by proclaiming them "not nice", " inferior to <insert game here>", just because it is on other console without trying them out EXTENSIVELY *keyword EXTENSIVELY*. You are missing a whole lot of enriching diversified gaming goodness if you narrow it down your gaming ways, and the more you do this, the more you entrench yourself into your own priivate world where your console is king and the rest of the other offerings on other available consoles sucks.Just because you play DOA extensively, does not automatically make Virtua Fighter or Tekken inferior. They all have their strengths , and if you ask me, if you could cultivate a liking to as many diverse game titles/genres , you will be living a very enriching and filling gaming life.

Sad thing is, a lot of us here, tend to focus on one and disregard the other.
How would you know F-Zero is not for you unless you tried it? How would know an FPS game on console like Halo would be enjoyable and playable unless you try it?You cannot dismiss Katamari Damacy as hogwash unless you have explored the concept. It is premature to proclaim DOA as an "an end to end all fighter debate" fighter of choice unless you have tried extensively the other major available fighter series on other system as well. We are blessed with screenshots and gameplay video downloads with the age of the Internet, but these downloads are not a definitive means of determining if the game is enjoyable or not. You can have the most gorgeous looking racer or fighter like Wreckless or TaoFeng , but they sorely lack in depth and gameplay mechanics. But lack of graphical polish can also dampens the excitement of playing a game, example Ridge Racer DS vs Ridge Racer PSP.

Simply put, be a fanboy of the games, not the console. You have not enjoyed the entire spectrum of what "gaming" is until you have tasted what others have to offer.This also corrensponds to your ability to be the judge of what's good and what's not, coz unless you have tried all there is available, you cannot make qualified , sound judgements on what you are doing. Graphics means jack shit unless accompanied with deep gameplays. Gameplay can only save your game so much unless accompanied with polished presentation and graphical splendour.

Erm sori, not malaysia is worldwide. With the news going arnd. You can do some searching coz currently i am gaming. If not gamecube won't be dirtcheap in uk and us. I will come back to you in awhile.

UK + US = worldwide????
am i reading wrongly or u think that uk n us price drop means worldwide sales is bad ?
u dun need prove, i can assure you XbOX sales is the least in japan..
and no, you cannot ignore japanese gaming market.. its HUGE..

its always cheaper cuz the hardware is less expensive compared to xbox..
ps2 is selling IMO around the same price as xbox... not that worthwhile, hardware wise *hardware* cuz the technology in ps2 is a year older than both xbox n GC plus is doesnt come with harddisk n stuff..
but sony knows they have what gamers wants.. so they are selling at higher price..

This post has been edited by prazole: Mar 3 2005, 02:09 AM

I see, your worldwide sales figure are japan. Point taken.

Worldwide sales figure

I just lost my game in dota 'coz i keep alt tab to post with you. Now i finish my game, i can do some searching around. Scroll down to the bottom, you will see the number. Remember...sony & nintendo set foot earlier than msoft in console world. They have a strong base. Now xbox sales surpass gamecube, does this means gamecube is a lousy console like how you put it since you follow the ranking so much or it's because xbox got hold of some new audience. You read the news also know nintendo having some trouble with their console sales. Do i really need to do all the google for you?

Sales figure, games rating online etc doesn't makes that gaming console sux. It's your own personal preference.
Lost in translation won in oscar but the movie ticket doesn't sold like hot cakes compare to movie like Lord of the ring. Why? Lost in translation is lousy movie?
Some people like artistic movie some people like action movies. It's the same concept.

erhm? GC is a lousy console?
quote that i said it plz



i didnt qoute sales figure, but gamerankings takes an average of all sites including magazine that you read.. how can that be unreliable compared to your personal thought?

this i not going to stop.. now you are shifting the topic to GC sales which is irrelevant to xbox... duh ..
ok gtg nights..

sorry if ur all stressed up coz of me.. happy gaming anyway

This post has been edited by prazole: Mar 3 2005, 02:45 AM

Finally you have proven all the point i am trying to tell you.

Game rating and sales figure doesn't make up for the games quality.
Xbox solds more than gamecube 'coz they are still peoples who prefer xbox games over ps2 or gamecube. Still it doesn't mean gamecube sux.

If game ranking system are so reliable why the sales figure still show xbox solds more than gamecube? Why they are still lots of people go for xbox when they know gamecube and ps2 have better games? Their country have no advertisement for ps2 and gamecube?

Simple answer.

Game ranking site review the games, not by comparing 3 consoles. Game site/magazine don't review a game based on the console, like devil may cry should get higher score because it's on ps2, it's because it's a good game for that particular genre and on that console. This doesn't mean everybody love that genre. Get it? Make it an exeption to cross platform game, they might review it based on console.

Well, i should blame you for the lost in dota game though but not the stress.

This post has been edited by PrivateJohn: Mar 3 2005, 02:53 AM

prazole and PrivateJohn, is it really necessary to continue arguing on this subject? Like someone said earlier, different consoles appeal to different masses and thus the sales should reflect that.

stringfellow: Yes, I know this is like a fanboy magnet/catalyst/inciter/batu api, but at least there's only ONE thread now for it and its much easier to regulate.

It's not just me & prazole, stringfellow as well but it's all settled in my thread already.

Aiya no need to argue lar....better spend time playing all the good games...hee-hee.

There'll be no ending 'discussion' on personal preference..

yar loh, buang mase ajer

The Good:People buying consoles to play games (a concept some has yet to grasp).
The Bad: People dismissing other games/consoles as bad because they had made their console purchases and commit to it, without actually TRYING the games they so easily dismiss beforehand.
The Ulgy( spelling intended that way, see the thread title ): Fanboys who had to go defensive on their console purchases just because they can only afford one console, and only one.Fanboys of these types subconsciously shuts out other alternatives on other consoles just because (a) they cannot commit to another console, (b)they dont make an effort of trying other games or competing series of the same genre on other consoles or ©they lack understanding and experience in what's going on in the gaming scene or just plain shephered as sheeps, following the crowd.

Disclaimer:These statements are not targetted specifically to anyone here, it is just my general overview of what the gaming crowd had turned into when gaming went mainstream. Fanboys has been in existence since the days of SNES/Genesis , but in diminutive form, and they are overshadowed by the larger numbers of good, sincere gamers at that time.Ever since gaming has becomed accepted as mainstream hobby, the crowd has evolved from those who goes into this hobby for the pure innocent joys of gaming, to those who had gone into this hobby with secret hopes that their console of choice triumphed over the others and kill off competition.Monopoly breeds uniformity and uniformity kills creativity.