IMO, this sort of topic only act as a catalyst for fanboy nationalism to flare up whenever opportunity knocks. If you really have to be a fanboy of something, be a fan of the games. Go where the games go. People defending a particular console are just those who either narrow minded and close their minds towards other options or those who are unfortunate to buy one and only one console and had to justify their decision of buying that particular console by defending it to kingdom come.I applaud Zaryl for his stand in this, he goes where the games go, and not because the Xbox b****slaps the other two consoles with its supposed better specs. If we want to get into this kind of argument then my gaming rig spanks all my other three consoles into submission.

Go where the games are. Sakaguchii-san left SquareEnix for Xbox2 with his Mistwalker company, if he decides that the next FF goes to Xbox2, then im there. If the creative team in SquareEnix owns the rights to FF and sticks the next FF to PS3, im there too. If SquareEnix decides the unimaginable and sticks the next-gen FF to Revolutions, i'll be buying it in an instant. The point here is, go where the games are.

But also, just because the games you want mosts generally resides more on your preferred console, does not mean that other consoles does not have its advantages. You'll never see ICO, Wanda and the Colossus, Tekken series and others on consoles other than the PS2. Dont go belittling the games by proclaiming them "not nice", " inferior to <insert game here>", just because it is on other console without trying them out EXTENSIVELY *keyword EXTENSIVELY*. You are missing a whole lot of enriching diversified gaming goodness if you narrow it down your gaming ways, and the more you do this, the more you entrench yourself into your own priivate world where your console is king and the rest of the other offerings on other available consoles sucks.Just because you play DOA extensively, does not automatically make Virtua Fighter or Tekken inferior. They all have their strengths , and if you ask me, if you could cultivate a liking to as many diverse game titles/genres , you will be living a very enriching and filling gaming life.

Sad thing is, a lot of us here, tend to focus on one and disregard the other.
How would you know F-Zero is not for you unless you tried it? How would know an FPS game on console like Halo would be enjoyable and playable unless you try it?You cannot dismiss Katamari Damacy as hogwash unless you have explored the concept. It is premature to proclaim DOA as an "an end to end all fighter debate" fighter of choice unless you have tried extensively the other major available fighter series on other system as well. We are blessed with screenshots and gameplay video downloads with the age of the Internet, but these downloads are not a definitive means of determining if the game is enjoyable or not. You can have the most gorgeous looking racer or fighter like Wreckless or TaoFeng , but they sorely lack in depth and gameplay mechanics. But lack of graphical polish can also dampens the excitement of playing a game, example Ridge Racer DS vs Ridge Racer PSP.

Simply put, be a fanboy of the games, not the console. You have not enjoyed the entire spectrum of what "gaming" is until you have tasted what others have to offer.This also corrensponds to your ability to be the judge of what's good and what's not, coz unless you have tried all there is available, you cannot make qualified , sound judgements on what you are doing. Graphics means jack shit unless accompanied with deep gameplays. Gameplay can only save your game so much unless accompanied with polished presentation and graphical splendour.

The Good:People buying consoles to play games (a concept some has yet to grasp).
The Bad: People dismissing other games/consoles as bad because they had made their console purchases and commit to it, without actually TRYING the games they so easily dismiss beforehand.
The Ulgy( spelling intended that way, see the thread title ): Fanboys who had to go defensive on their console purchases just because they can only afford one console, and only one.Fanboys of these types subconsciously shuts out other alternatives on other consoles just because (a) they cannot commit to another console, (b)they dont make an effort of trying other games or competing series of the same genre on other consoles or ©they lack understanding and experience in what's going on in the gaming scene or just plain shephered as sheeps, following the crowd.

Disclaimer:These statements are not targetted specifically to anyone here, it is just my general overview of what the gaming crowd had turned into when gaming went mainstream. Fanboys has been in existence since the days of SNES/Genesis , but in diminutive form, and they are overshadowed by the larger numbers of good, sincere gamers at that time.Ever since gaming has becomed accepted as mainstream hobby, the crowd has evolved from those who goes into this hobby for the pure innocent joys of gaming, to those who had gone into this hobby with secret hopes that their console of choice triumphed over the others and kill off competition.Monopoly breeds uniformity and uniformity kills creativity.

Funny thing is, some of these fanboys are actually fans of the games themselves, otherwise they wouldnt be gaming on the three major consoles, unlike others who shuts themselves out of other consoles or in denial that there might be other games that are better than on their current consoles.

Which is a more possible fanboy, the one who game on one console or the ones who game on all three.At least the one who game on all three consoles, had seen what the other consoles have to offer, had broader view on the gaming scene and is more informed on what games are better since they had seen all the gamess offered on all fronts.

But then, it's easier on the mind of some people to slap the label "fanboy", than actually reading between the lines.Maybe the tunneling program of their choice on their Xboxes had tunnel-visioned their mindset on things too.....

I try, and yet backlog asides , id like to think that i have dabbled in those three major consoles enough to form an weighted and intelligent surmization of them.Dont easily assume others are like you, weighted down by works most.Same here, but guess what, i bring my consoles with me everytime i go on my worktrips, and these helps clearing the backlogs. Nothing to be ashamed of, nor does your presumption that those who game on three consoles doesnt have a life outside of a console world. Id like not to assume your day-by-day itinerary, and id appreciate if you dont slap your presumption that my daily life mirrors yours.

So much for the analogies and knickknacks, that is still bypassing the issue that you refuse to try what other consoles have to offer , by using that excuse that you buy something that suits you best. You dont HAVE to buy one, you only need to hang out with those who have one.Try it, you might get a different perspective when you hang out with those who are outside your familiar territory.Since you like analogies, i'll use one now.It's like stepping out of your house, grabbing a seat on a plane to Amsterdam, and realised that there is more to that particular city than tulips. It broadens one's horizons and view of things once one is exposed to such experiences.



Yes, i favor the PSP over the DS, but that is after i have tasted what both consoles have before i come to that conclusion. I tried Feel the Magic, MArio DS, and WarioWare on the DS, and got myself almost 10 games for the PSP, AND THEN i made the conclusion that favor the PSP over the DS. Does that not make the argument more valid, because i have tried my hands on all of them? If you must label me as a fanboy, then yes , im more inclined towards the PSP than the DS with the current available lineup, but i will never make or form a conclusion unless i have tried all there is to offer on both sides of the competing parties. The sad and ironic thing is, the other person i debated with, Pip-X, have not even have either a DS or the PSP, and he is arguing for the sake of his nostalgia for Nintendo! How's that for a fair and justful debate?

And to that particular person who tried so hard to form his articulation that could be his best attempt at licking someone's a$$(Matrix), you need to try harder.Your stand in here, only shows how you sorely lack in having your own stand in things. And lets not forget your console of choice only qualify as your preferred choice because it is piratable. Surely this is a sign of a well-rounded gamer *sarcasm*.

Point 1:- What am i a fanboy of? I gushed when DOA:U was in my hands, i squeal with delight when REsident Evil 4 arrived, and i whooped with joy when Tekken 5 was mine. What fanboy am i? Fanboy of all three consoles?

Point 2:- Bootlicking? Seems like you, Matrix, refer most about PrivateJohn' in your post than me or prazole referrig to each other in each other's responses to you. Everyone here knows that you only quipped when PJ states his opinions, and shushes up when the things turn quiet.Sound familiar, or do i need to point out the obvious of your a$$kissing ways, Matrix? Your post, my dear Matrix, has little to no value in terms of information, or anecdotal ponderings whatsoever.

Point 3:-My dear PJ, my quibble with Matrix was his skewed preference towards a game on the Xbox, Forza Motorsport, with his claims that it trumped GT4 in terms of looks. My statement to him is that he should try on both games in High DEfinition mode, before coming to any conclusion. His lovefest with Forza was ridiculous because he had already claimed victory with that game even before the game hits store shelves!Fair game you say?It then escalates into his braggard scoffing statement that those who buy originals are stupid, and would rather spend money on pirated games.I replied this arrogant claim with telling him off that his time spent playing pirated games is like standing on the shoulders of giants, he is playing his games at the expense of those who fully and properly supports the industry by buying originals, so he should not have stated that statement so arrogantly.That's is when i try not to respond to any of his posts, but his arrogant ways had me to respond back.

Point 4:- You seem like a rational person to trade verbal blows with, PJ, unlike MAtrix who continue to fuel the embers here with his simian retorts.. I still dont agree with your stand in this, but i dont see any way i could either make you see things differently or think of the other alternatives. And yes, PC users will die a horrible , roasted-on-a-spit kinda death if they dare mess around with the console community.

Im definitely not throwing in the towel, but im going to try turning this thread into is projected purpose, by offering a ceasefire between the "warring parties". Id rather not see some stupid post by some newbie who would stir up $hit in here by typing another one of those post of why "console X wins over console Y"..If that had to happen again, rest assured that i'll be here again to correct what i feel is wrong.

One warning though, if that simian Matrix comes in here and belittle this truce offer with his acidic response, i'll dispense with the pleasantries and with be forced to defend myself against him, be it civilly or in a more aggresive ways. Take it or leave it, id like to think i've done my part, the ball is in your park now......

DEal, PJ, you've called for the right of parley, and im glad we both parleyed for for ceasefire.

And Matrix, i dont know if you are tell yourself you're cool or something with your present way of responding to posts in this thread, but you're a one man show.One man show in making the jokes, delivering the jokes, and unfortunately too, one man show in laughing at your own jokes, and your self importance. Maybe you should try stepping out of this air bubble you're living in and see what kind of person you have become in this thread.

Back to the topic, I chose PS2, GC and XBOX because i have no choice but get them when i wanted to play games on them. I got my first GC when i was giddy for some Star Wars:Rogue Leader action, , got my first Xbox after seeing how beautiful DOA3 was at the time of its release, while my first PS2 was the 10000 series, along with Ridge Racer V a week after the Japanese launch.

GC starts getting interesting when Eternal Darkness came out.At first wasnt sure if it is a hit or a miss, since it was published by Silicon Knights, and the only thing that crosses my mind when SK is mentioned is the Legend of Kain series. Got into conversation with Silkworm, and convinced me over for the purchases and laughed my butt off for even worrying. It is then i think GC is worth a shot.

Xbox was bought with a bundle in mind.Initially was just interested to get only DOA3, but at the time of purchase , the shops werent able to un-bundle and sell me DOA3 only. Got 7 other games and paid quite a hefty sum for it, which is at the time, was not available for modification. The moment i start seeing its potential, is when Panzer Dragoon Orta and Jet Set Radio Future was released, and they were lightyears graphically compared to the offerings from the other consoles. The graphic whore in me was thoroughly satisfied, and with Sega fresh from its decision to go developer-only, provided the goods with their awesome Xbox offerings. Dabbled immediately with the progressive scan capabilities when MS launched the HD Pack, and i will always remember my first experience seeing Panzer Dragoon Orta in beautiful HD.

PS2 and me had a very long relationship.I was at the point of going crazy with anticipation with news and articles pouring out from newspapers, mass medias like CNN and CNBC(programs like E! and other tech-related shows, there arent any TechTV channel at that time, circa 2000) pumping out an almost daily mention about the PS2 leading up to its Japanese 3/4/2000 release. Went teary eyed(both in awe, and horror) when saw the crazy crowd congregating when the clock stroke launch night.Awe coz i didnt know the response would be THAT immense, and horrified calculating my chances of securing one for myself, at such close time to launch day. Got a call from Sunway Piramid, and to make long story short, i got the unit meant as display unit, and begged them to sell that, as premium price. My living room has never been the same again sinc then. The moment i realised PS2 was destined for greatness is when Tekken Tag, Devil May Cry and FFX was released.

In short, it is the games that compelled me to make the decision of getting a console. It does not matter to me if it moddable, although if it is, then it's a bonus. My jaws went slack when i saw SoulCalibur on Dreamcast for the first time, and that vision was compelling enough to make me splurge. But i was excited to when they released the first GD-ROM silvers in the form of DOA2, with that swap disc.

How about some who actually tried Xbox , but found that there are mostly ports of PC games which plays better and looks better on the PC?Im this kind of Xbox owner, which i dont find investing in another title which is readily available on the PC and looks better not worth getting. And im not into anything like Battlefield/Brothers in Arms kind of game which I still dont get even if it is available on PS2.

It's easy really, MS is trying to bring the PC-experience to the console scene with these ports, but consoles have always been and will always will be a "jump in and play" platform. If you like modding your Xbox, whether software-like or physically, you are basically still in the PC-modding mentality, in which most console gamers are not into and are alien to them.They are used to "plug this in and it works straightaway", not complications.

In the end, choose the games of your preference and go to the consoles in which the games resides. But in the case of Xbox, im not getting Doom3 on Xbox as i had the better looking and prior experience with the PC version. Only games that are exclusive and available on Xbox interests me, which is why Ninja Gaiden and DOA:U is high on Xbox most wanted list. Upcoming games? Unreal Championship 2, and Splinter Cell Chaos Theory are the only ones im interested in, with SC mostly because it is available first on Xbox.If it appears on PC first, i would have skipped it altogether in favor of the better looking PC version.

P/S:This post was proofreaded and carefully written as to not offend anyone who hold their Xboxes dear to their hearts, as we all know how console factioning and overpassionateness towards certain consoles here are known to be quite evident in here.

To answer PJ's question, i got X800XTPE and 6800U for both of my gaming rigs at home.I guess that answers a few questions.

Still, i got myself and Xbox for games like DOA, Pander Dragoon Orta and Jet Set Radio Future.I didnt get them for PC ports.They play much better at better resolution and graphics on my PC gaming rigs.

I dont play sports games, so getting the best version on Xbox is a moot point for me. Cross platform games cases are a bit trickier.I've always havea beef with the Xbox controller, even with the smaller S Controller, i still develop cramped hands after extended periods of time. Not so wtih DS2 on PS2.This have somewhat swayed my interest in getting PS2 versions of crossplatform games rather than Xbox.

Still, Xbox360 has caught itself under my interest radar, with its promise of the HD Era.But people has got to kidding themselves when they say PS3 wont have the edge next gen in terms of processing power and graphical capabilities. The Xbox was released mor than a year later than Xbox with much more power under the hood compared to Xbox, and MS just want a head start next gen to emulate PS2's current success next gen.PS3 will be released projected fall 2006, which is 6-8 months later than XboxNExt, and discarding fanboy glasses while scrutinising this matter, it is simple logic to say that PS3 will have the edge in terms of power.Thinking otherwise would show your biasness towards XboxNExt, since the similar scenario is present in current gen.

Interesting isnt it? XboxNExt playiny the PS2 part (emphasis on game , not graphics), while PS3 takes the mantle for processing power(as do how Xbox fanboys were screaming how powerful this console is , compared to the other two consoles). Nintendo is a wildcard here, and i personally think playing the "i dont care what others are doing, i just want to be innovative with my gyroscopic controller and gimmicky doodads" part will not translate into larger userbase next gen if they dont break out of their cocoon and start creating mainstream games and attracting mainstream gamers..

So suddenly now Xbox2 will become the new PS2, while PS3 will take the role of Xbox this gen? How can MS suddenly gain so much third party support, while PS3 suddenly lose theirs?

Nothing is certain until these next gens are out and about.But rest for sure, PS3 still will have the third party support that makes PS2 such a market leader this gen. MS is going some catching up, and is making lost ground with its next gen Xbox2, which is why they plan to launch first, so that more third party devs will publish their titles on Xbox2 first because Xbox2 comes out of the gate first.

But then again, coming out of the gate first didnt help Dreamcast against the PS2 last gen.Moral of the story? Nothing is certain....one thing's for sure, i'll be getting next gen consoles , all of them if necessary, if the games i want to play are on them.

GDC: Sony promises developers an easy ride on PS3

WEll, if you're using the same website for your sources.....

BEcause the Xbox version plays on a controller? While the PC version, if you're stuck without a gamepad, is impossible to play on keyboards. If the game shines, i might get a PC controller myself.