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post Aug 9 2011, 10:20 AM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Aug 9 2011, 09:18 AM)
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All subsequent contributions for mutual funds DOESNT INCUR THE 5.5% FEE IF USING SWITCHING. That's the concept of "how expensive/cheap in % vs transaction value OVER TIME Stocks Vs Mutual Funds"  i'm trying to convey.
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I'm still in the blur when you say all subsequent contributions for mutual funds doesn't incur the 5.5% fee. Do you mean if I switch my current PM saving funds to another fund this will not incur any 5.5% fees?
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QUOTE(8181 @ Aug 9 2011, 10:20 AM)
I'm still in the blur when you say all subsequent contributions for mutual funds doesn't incur the 5.5% fee. Do you mean if I switch my current PM saving funds to another fund this will not incur any 5.5% fees?
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to make it simple.
1. if u pay more then 0.25% as service charge on any funds, u not need to pay SC when u switching.

2. if u only pay SC 0.25%, so , u need to pay SC for switching for equity/balance funds.

its clearly stated in prospectus on switching.

low-loaded units =bond/money market= 0.25% SC
loaded units = equity/balanced = more than 0.25% SC
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post Aug 9 2011, 11:03 AM

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QUOTE(8181 @ Aug 9 2011, 10:20 AM)
I'm still in the blur when you say all subsequent contributions for mutual funds doesn't incur the 5.5% fee. Do you mean if I switch my current PM saving funds to another fund this will not incur any 5.5% fees?
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Spot on - no fees other than maybe $25 per switch.
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post Aug 9 2011, 11:05 AM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Aug 9 2011, 11:03 AM)
Spot on - no fees other than maybe $25 per switch.
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Got it, thanks. By the way the Twinvest book is it written by Mr. Lichello?
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post Aug 9 2011, 11:27 AM

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QUOTE(8181 @ Aug 9 2011, 11:05 AM)
Got it, thanks. By the way the Twinvest book is it written by Mr. Lichello?
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Hehhe - sorry for my mis-communication ar, the book's actual name is:
How to Make $1,000,000 in the Stock Market Automatically: (4th Edition) [Paperback]
http://www.amazon.com/How-Make-Stock-Marke...y/dp/0451204417

Google Lichello or TwinVest or AIM-HI or SynchroVest (3 methodologies in the book) - you'd see even some fund managers selling their services using these methodologies laugh.gif

Main thing = to understand how and why it works, dont bulat bulat follow blindly. Of the 3 methodologies, TwinVest has NO PROPER EXIT PLANS.

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post Aug 9 2011, 11:47 AM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Aug 9 2011, 09:18 AM)
Well, if one's a multi-million or billionaire, no issue mar.
How many flers U know personally does investing overseas
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flers that U personaly know AND investing overseas AND are multi-millionaires?
Very very small % are multi-millionaires right?
if not, hey dude - whatcha doing here? U should be teaching & guiding us how to network with them mega-rich folks and also how to manage $ like a millionaire  notworthy.gif

On the Excel example, please notice that
a. I just used the STARTING amount (row 1 of each set of data),
b. added 20% profits  (assuming a few months or years passed after (a.) )
c. sold / switch it out of equity
d. Bought back in / switched in back into equity (assuming a few months or years passed after (c.) )
Rinse and repeat

Thus, seed capital is the starting amount and the only "out of pocket" original outlay, no additional $ was put in. This is to easily see the costs in % over the years / multiples of transactions. If i put in real-world additions, i think it'll muddle it up until 99% of forumers will be cursing me tongue.gif

All subsequent contributions for mutual funds DOESNT INCUR THE 5.5% FEE IF USING SWITCHING. That's the concept of "how expensive/cheap in % vs transaction value OVER TIME Stocks Vs Mutual Funds"  i'm trying to convey.
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biggrin.gif I also havent got the luck to meet the mega rich... but dont have to invest so far away lor, can invest in sg or hk tongue.gif

So, like for example, i put rm 100 (first contribution) in i'll ended up with $94.5 in the fund and the following contribution, say, rm 10,000,000 is free of charge shocking.gif
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QUOTE(monsta2011 @ Aug 9 2011, 11:47 AM)
biggrin.gif I also havent got the luck to meet the mega rich... but dont have to invest so far away lor, can invest in sg or hk  tongue.gif

So, like for example, i put rm 100 (first contribution) in i'll ended up with $94.5 in the fund and the following contribution, say, rm 10,000,000 is free of charge shocking.gif
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No... your initial units which U received for $94.5, when U switch to bond, then back to equity, etc. - $25 only or free (if Mut Gold and switched less than X times a year).

Dude - look at the snapshot example. It's a lump sum (transaction 1) which goes up 20%, switched to bonds... then later switched back to equity and rises 20% again, then switched back to bonds (rinse and repeat).

The same loaded Units growing and switched.

If I put in $1K only now and later dump in $500K and no service charges, U think PM doing charity meh tongue.gif

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QUOTE(monsta2011 @ Aug 9 2011, 11:47 AM)
biggrin.gif I also havent got the luck to meet the mega rich... but dont have to invest so far away lor, can invest in sg or hk  tongue.gif

So, like for example, i put rm 100 (first contribution) in i'll ended up with $94.5 in the fund and the following contribution, say, rm 10,000,000 is free of charge shocking.gif
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wow, pay SC for rm100 and expect free SC for rm10,000k. ini macam PM tutup kedai-lah.
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post Aug 9 2011, 12:22 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Aug 9 2011, 12:04 PM)
No... your initial units which U received for $94.5, when U switch to bond, then back to equity, etc. - $25 only or free (if Mut Gold and switched less than X times a year).

Dude - look at the snapshot example. It's a lump sum (transaction 1) which goes up 20%, switched to bonds... then later switched back to equity and rises 20% again, then switched back to bonds (rinse and repeat).

The same loaded Units growing and switched.

If I put in $1K only now and later dump in $500K and no service charges, U think PM doing charity meh tongue.gif
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QUOTE(kparam77 @ Aug 9 2011, 12:14 PM)
wow, pay SC for rm100 and expect free SC for rm10,000k. ini macam PM tutup kedai-lah.
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Ok I got it notworthy.gif it's the switching incurs no SC fee biggrin.gif


Added on August 9, 2011, 12:42 pmBy the way, if a fund has a historical 3 yr return of 35%, to get the p.a. return is it calculated this way (∛1.35 - 1) x100% = 10.52% p.a.?

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post Aug 9 2011, 01:27 PM

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one of the PM fund manager is coming to my town on this saturday. What kind of opinions/questions should i ask him? Tan Kok Keong. PB Growth fund manager
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QUOTE(monsta2011 @ Aug 9 2011, 12:22 PM)
Ok I got it  notworthy.gif it's the switching incurs no SC fee  biggrin.gif


Added on August 9, 2011, 12:42 pmBy the way, if a fund has a historical 3 yr return of 35%, to get the p.a. return is it calculated this way (∛1.35 - 1) x100% = 10.52% p.a.?
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(∛1.35 - 1) x100%
er.. hehe - gimme a few minutes to digest maths equation (told U i'm a simpleton tongue.gif).
If Excel i can digest easily lar..

square root of 3 coz it's the years.. ok.. right
1.35 = coz 100% +35% returns? er.. no idea - i usually fill in the $ to get the R
as in S = P *(1+R%)^n

Let me Excel-ize it and test - stay tuned bwhahaah (that's what U get for testing me when i'm not on caffeine) laugh.gif
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Damn, where's my sexytary...

Ah done - you're spot on!
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post Aug 9 2011, 01:37 PM

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QUOTE(monsta2011 @ Aug 9 2011, 12:22 PM)
Ok I got it  notworthy.gif it's the switching incurs no SC fee  biggrin.gif


Added on August 9, 2011, 12:42 pmBy the way, if a fund has a historical 3 yr return of 35%, to get the p.a. return is it calculated this way (∛1.35 - 1) x100% = 10.52% p.a.?
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Compound Annual Growth Rate (CAGR)
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post Aug 9 2011, 01:41 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Aug 9 2011, 01:34 PM)
(∛1.35 - 1) x100%
er.. hehe - gimme a few minutes to digest maths equation (told U i'm a simpleton tongue.gif).
If Excel i can digest easily lar..

square root of 3 coz it's the years.. ok.. right
1.35 = coz 100% +35% returns? er.. no idea - i usually fill in the $ to get the R
as in S = P *(1+R%)^n

Let me Excel-ize it and test - stay tuned bwhahaah (that's what U get for testing me when i'm not on caffeine)  laugh.gif
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Oh haha, if work it backward it's like [(1.1052^3)-1] x100% = 35% hehe i hope that's right


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QUOTE(kucingfight @ Aug 9 2011, 01:37 PM)
Compound Annual Growth Rate (CAGR)
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Eg.

[(135/100)^(1/3)] - 1 = 0.1052 blush.gif Phiew......

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QUOTE(monsta2011 @ Aug 9 2011, 01:41 PM)
Oh haha, if work it backward it's like [(1.1052^3)-1] x100% = 35% hehe i hope that's right


Added on August 9, 2011, 1:43 pm
Eg.

[(135/130)^(1/3)] - 1 = 0.1052    blush.gif  Phiew......
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Dagnabit maths monsta, stop with those funny looking stuff ∛. I only know "square root"  cry.gif <mk crawls off back to his Excel sheets>


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post Aug 9 2011, 01:57 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Aug 9 2011, 01:49 PM)
Dagnabit maths boy, stop with those funny looking stuff ∛. I only know "square root"  cry.gif <mk crawls off back to his Excel sheets>


Added on August 9, 2011, 1:51 pm
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sad.gif Oh sorry, i was just using the calculator. i dont even know the name for that... maybe it's the power of one third blush.gif .
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Hi all

i am new to PM funds.

Which is in your opinion a good PM fund? Maybe two.....

i have a benchmark to measure against......which funds in the last 10 years give average of 15% per annum?

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QUOTE(monsta2011 @ Aug 9 2011, 01:57 PM)
sad.gif Oh sorry, i was just using the calculator. i dont even know the name for that...  maybe it's the power of one third blush.gif .
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Oh i googled it, it's 'Cube root' biggrin.gif i learnt another word rclxm9.gif
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Aug 9 2011, 02:14 PM)
Hi all

i am new to PM funds.

Which is in your opinion a good PM fund?  Maybe two.....

i have a benchmark to measure against......which funds in the last 10 years give average of 15% per annum?

Thanks    thumbup.gif
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Bro ProphetJul - stock market too red to play, thus "playing" mutual funds pulak? tongue.gif

Sure lose 5.5% up front first wor, U sure U want a ride in PM's equity funds ar biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Aug 9 2011, 02:19 PM)
Bro ProphetJul - stock market too red to play, thus "playing" mutual funds pulak? tongue.gif

Sure lose 5.5% up front first wor, U sure U want a ride in PM's equity funds ar biggrin.gif
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Not cash.....me EPF monies.......

If me own cash...it has to beat gold before i consider! biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Aug 9 2011, 01:34 PM)
Damn, where's my sexytary...
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Wow, you have your own formula for excel notworthy.gif it took a noob like me quite sometime to understand.. oh dear i have a lot to learn blush.gif

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