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kparam77
post Feb 13 2011, 08:30 PM

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QUOTE(eye_knoxville @ Dec 29 2010, 11:06 PM)
anybody can explain to me how can i join public mutual? any agent here?
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Added on February 13, 2011, 8:34 pm
QUOTE(aza13 @ Feb 9 2011, 09:35 AM)
Guys, have a question here. Previously i takeout my kwsp to invest in Public mutual through an agent. After 3 months i want to invest trhough kwsp scheme again, can i use another agent this time around if i want to buy the same fund? Do i need a consent from the previous agent?
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Yes, u change ur agent without any issue. Pls go to www.grow-money77.blogspot.com for more info. go to FAQ section.


Added on February 13, 2011, 8:35 pmPls go to www.grow-money77.blogspot.com for more info go to FAQ section.

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post Jun 23 2011, 09:58 AM

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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Jun 23 2011, 09:49 AM)
Then how come my agent still ask me to invest few hundred ringgit every month? If one day the fund size has exceeded the SC approved and the fund I used to invest closed already, meaning I can't even top up? Then what's the purpose I invest in a fund?
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eventhugh the fund is closed , fund manager still reserve some units for DDI or monthly regular investor.
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post Jun 23 2011, 12:00 PM

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Direct Debit Instruction or SI - Standing Instruction. if u sign up to top up ur investment through bank on monthly basic. u need to bank-in the money and the money will auto transfered to ur UT investment acc to buy the units.

ur top up units/ current stament will post to ur mailing address.


Added on June 23, 2011, 1:29 pm
QUOTE(adreina @ Jun 17 2011, 04:58 PM)
Might b a noob question, how to become an agent?
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go to here for details.

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post Jun 23 2011, 06:53 PM

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QUOTE(semerah padi @ Jun 23 2011, 04:04 PM)

Added on June 23, 2011, 4:25 pmThks your info-Bonescythe.

Objective-
Iam 29 Year old, planning to saving for my children education for 10-15 years or for my retrenchment.

Kind investor-
I plan start to invest used my EPF every 3 month (Average RM 2K) to invest equity fund (PIOGF & PIEF) and every RM100/month (P Ittikal). Its Ok..????? or any fund suitable for me?

What time frame we can switch our fund? Price? what price we can switch? for example P ittikal lunch price RM0.95 (Since 1997) early Feb 2011 price 0.970 and now price RM0.8892. what price suitable for switch?
other factor we can determine before switch?

Please advice???????
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Retirement plan;
the fund u choosed its ok for epf scheme. p ittikal fund is close for new investor.

why u choose aggressive fund for epf scheme and moderate p.ittikal for cash/regular . is it for free ins? if u looking for moderate fund, PIDF pun ok-lah since p.ittikal not available. u still can go for aggressive for cash investment if u an aggressive investor. or can maintain as moderate to balanced ur portfolio.

hv u to plan how much u need for ur retirment. if not pls click here.


Education plan;
how many children u hv? what is the cource/study ur children going to take? what is the current fees and FV?
u can do education plan for ur children by clicking here.

study the funds, the asset allocation and some other relevant info in master prospectus and qtrly fund review. u may track the past performance as well.


Added on June 23, 2011, 7:04 pm
QUOTE(kparam77 @ Jun 23 2011, 06:53 PM)
Retirement plan;
the fund u choosed its ok for epf scheme. p ittikal fund is close for new investor.

why u choose aggressive fund for epf scheme and moderate p.ittikal for cash/regular . is it for free ins? if u looking for moderate fund, PIDF pun ok-lah since p.ittikal not available. u still can go for aggressive for cash investment if u an aggressive investor. or can maintain as moderate to balanced ur portfolio.

hv u to plan how much u need for ur retirment. if not pls click here.
Education plan;
how many children u hv? what is the cource/study ur children going to take? what is the current fees and FV?
u can do education plan for ur children by clicking here.

study the funds, the asset allocation and some other relevant info in master prospectus and qtrly fund review. u may track the past performance as well.
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u only need to switch to save ur investment. if not, switching is not need.

don't confuce with unit price movement. if u plan, go for long term, not need to worry abt price movemennt. just make sure ur investment value is gaining and accumulation of ur units.

u can do switching if any major correction/crach in the market. u need to set ur stop lost value...maybe 10-20% or less than 10% to save ur investment and switch to low risk funds/bond/money market. and switch back whe the market recover. bear in mind, there are fees and charges for switching which u can read in master prospectus.

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post Jun 23 2011, 08:28 PM

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QUOTE(Felice821 @ Jun 23 2011, 08:10 PM)
I just realise that I need 5000 units in P Ittikal only entitled for the insurance. sad.gif

I got 4700 units, can I top up another 300 units since I'm not new investor and this fund alr closed?
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No, DDI only for those sign up before the fund close. but ur units will accumulates when there is distribution or unit split in future. no worries 300 units is not too far to reach 5000 units.

best of luck
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post Jun 24 2011, 08:26 AM

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takanlah u tak tahu.....u r senior member since 2003 and already more 2492 posts.......... testing kah??

mfa = mutual fund agent??

1. unit trust - buy cheap and sell hign to make profits. so study the market for better/best timing.

2. unit trust - medium to long term. below 2-3 yrs not recommended. as current market trend, moderate/aggressive funds is the option but cannot guarantee the returns.


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post Jun 24 2011, 12:55 PM

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need some info from u-,

1. ur age -?
2. ur risk profile - conserveative/moderate/aggressive?
3. waht is ur investment objective? retirement/education or just for saving?
4. want to make use epf scheme?

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post Jun 24 2011, 02:49 PM

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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Jun 24 2011, 02:04 PM)
No la. High risk, heart attack also faster come sad.gif
Shares sometimes will anytime up down left right front back cucuk.. I got a lot of holes already.. Haha

Ask everyone opinion.

Saving for Retirement and Children education.

Assuming Mode of investment is DDI monthly.
Do you recommend this 2 to combine and go into 1 fund?
Or 2 separate fund? Retirement 1, and Child Education 1.

And now assuming mode of investment is 1 time off. 50k per 1 time off.
Do you recommend this 2 to combine or separate into 2 fund?

Just want to see what are the opinion from you guys.
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Assume u r a high risk taker.

for DDI, better 2 diff acconts/funds.

for 50K, still 2 diff acc/funds. (25k x 2) but not need to pump 1 time. maybe 5k or 10k, whnever u c the correction or lower unit price, just enter to average down ur buying price..

happy investing.
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post Jun 24 2011, 09:25 PM

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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Jun 24 2011, 08:56 PM)
May I know what are the procedures to cash out money from the unit trust fund?
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1.if u hv PM online...u can repurchase ur units via online. the money will bank in to ur bank acc which u registered in PM online within 10 business days.

2. call ur agents to for repurshased. 10 business days to bank-in the money.

3. go to any PM branch, bring ur IC, do repurshased. same 10 business days.

u can reperchased all the units or partialy. if partialy, make sure minimum 1000 units remains.


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post Jun 25 2011, 09:26 AM

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QUOTE(Felice821 @ Jun 25 2011, 12:55 AM)
I'm new into PM .... Recently just bought 2 funds via EPF and 1 fund cash.

EPF
PIttikal
PSF

Cash
Newly launch Singapore fund

And now it's time for another round of EPF withdrawal for PM. I'm eye-ing on this 2 funds .... it's that fine??

PUBLIC DIVIDEND SELECT FUND
PUBLIC SECTOR SELECT FUND
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Pittikal - moderate
PSF - moderate
Singapore - Aggressive (CASH- lump sump or DDI?)


planning going for,

PIDF - Moderate.
PSSF - Aggressive.

so 3 moderate funds and 2 aggressive - go for it. in the future, u can maintain these 4 acc's for top up ur next EPF withdrawal. or u can add 1 more aggressive fund for next epf withdrawal to balance 50% agrressive / 50% moderate.

actualy u can balance it base on ur risk/age factors like 30%/70%, 60%/40% 80%/20%......

if u in 30's, more aggressive funds... when u reach 50 yrs, u still hv 5 yrs for retirement.... so monitor the market and exit with profits and put back the money in EPF.

or just leave the money until 55. u can plan it later.


Added on June 25, 2011, 11:46 am
QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Jun 25 2011, 01:20 AM)

Let's say you are saving for your retirement.. Since you say maximizing return.. And you suggest investor to go for aggressive fund for his retirement to maximize return.

What if on his retirement, economy goes doom? Down like crap.. Do bear in mind, when economy goes downward, aggressive fund will fall more than 40%, sometimes more than 50% (Check 2008 mutual fund performance on aggressive nature fund, all having big time bleeding). So you want to put a thin line on your investor money?

But if education for children. You can put aggressive fund. If at that time, the fund is not performing, still got other option (Take loan, or opt for other courses).. And when fund perform, can sell off all and settle the study loan.
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Bro,
u need to max ur returns until u reach 55 years old with aggressive funds. after that as below;

otion 1: put all ur money in FD safely.

option 2 : switch ur fund to BOND/MM or dividends funds, where the distribution/dividend policy is annual income. this mean u will get the dividends annualy in any market trend.

Let say u hv 1 MIL units in BOND fund and if with the minimum RM0.05 declare annualy. investor may get 1,000 000 x RM0.05 = RM50,000 annualy.
the more the units the more the distribution/dividedns.......unit trust work this way.

and also, if the investor still aggresive and wants more returns, still can maintain in moderate funds where the distribution may goes up to RM0.10 or more in very good market trends.

don't mis understand abt capital gain/loss with distribution/dividends.
capital gain/loss - determine by unit price movement.
distribution/dividends - determine by how many units u hv and how much declare by fund manager.

ur investment value maybe affected due to any bubbles but u still get the distibution if fund manager declare.

example;
if u buy 1 mil PSF units in 02/01/2008 with the price RM0.7946 =
1,000 000 x RM0.7946
=RM794,600

at 31/12/08, the price is only RM0.5724=
1,000,000 x RM0.5724=
RM572,400

Capital lost = RMRM794,600 - RM572,400 =
RM222,200 (-27%)

FYE for PSF 2008, is Gross Distribution = RM0.075 per unit
= 1,000,000 x Rm0.075
RM75,000

even though capital lost about RM222,200 but this fund still manage to give distribution RM75,000.

I agree with ur undestanding abt risk managmnt on education plan.



















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QUOTE(mfa333 @ Jun 25 2011, 08:45 AM)
Actually I dont have specific target on that. As long it can give higher rate than asb (asb 8%), its good for me. my study loan %pa is 3% (ptptn).

So, which is suitable for me for 2-5 years? max out my asb or dca rm100-200 to PM every month for 3 years?
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if u realy don't want to touch ur money until 5 years...... u can come to PM to max ur money, otherwise, better stay with ASB.


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post Jun 25 2011, 06:08 PM

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QUOTE(Felice821 @ Jun 25 2011, 01:01 PM)
Thanks Kparam77 ... For the newly launch singapore fund, so far I just invested RM1000 .. since it's going to close next monday .. I planning to re-invest another RM3000. DDI, so far no DDI for any funs yet .. should I go for DDI as well?? If yes, which fund better???

At this time being, I thought of withdrawing EPF quarterly .. But I not sure the quarterly withdrawal should use to re-invest the existing fund or invest into new fund.

Balance it out base on my age?? How....? I'm end of 20's and going to step into 30s world ...
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EPF funds....better maintain the same funds.


DDI is for cash regular investment. if u want to save money for retirment u may go for DDI. assume ur retire at 55. 25 ysr to go......so no issue for DDI with aggressive/moderate FUNDs.

study all the aggressive funds,risk factor, past records/performance and decide. PAGF, PSSF, PIEF,PISEF,PEF and other local funds for consider. the well established moderate funds like PSF, PGF, PRSF, PIDF, PDSF can also.

plan first how much u need for ur reitrement plan.


Added on June 25, 2011, 6:14 pm
QUOTE(Amanda85 @ Jun 25 2011, 01:57 PM)
from my 6 months experience of purchasing unit trust...all end up losing money... the NAV keep dropping only
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local or foreign fund?
how much?

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post Jun 25 2011, 11:01 PM

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QUOTE(mfa333 @ Jun 25 2011, 09:09 PM)
what is the expected rate if i dont touch my money for 5 years?
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moderate / aggressive funds - 8% to 20%. its depends fund performance. local funds cukup-lah....

normaly average 10% is achivible for long term in unit trust.
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jun 26 2011, 06:55 AM)
Bro - the AVERAGE CAGR for 10 years's performance plus shows the average PM equity fund performs only about 8%pa+/-.

At 20%pa... please dont do another 2007 / 2008 PCSF-style expectations management on fellow forumers  tongue.gif
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yes bro........that why i say it depends on the fund performance and local fund cukup....... foreign funds kena berhati-hati, if investos not expose enough to foreign markets.

our frend asking for 5 yrs return.....pls check fund comparison at FP ADV on PIDF,PIEF and p.ittikal (already closed)....it abt average 15% to 18%.

maybe I should put average 8% to 20% can expect, but still depends on fund performance. pls correct me if I wrong.

tq.
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jun 26 2011, 09:44 AM)
Even local funds, it depends on when the 5 yrs returns ends, thus probability-wise, 20% is on a highly unlikely side, on average.  smile.gif

eg. try running the FP Advisor with 5 different ending periods say 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009 and 2010, all with 5 years returns.
ie. 2006 and 5 years back
2007 & 5 years back
etc.
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ya, u correct and thks for the info's.
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QUOTE(Amanda85 @ Jun 26 2011, 08:39 PM)
local fund...NAV from 0.6 drop to 0.5
might seems small amount...but is my 1st investment...haiz


Added on June 26, 2011, 8:41 pm

i bought balanced and my bf bought equity...both also suffer losses now
which type of fund shld we include in our profile as well?
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local 0.6 to 0.5 in 6 months........ but small amount. ur units never drop.......still can wait and u can average down ur unit price by top up.

balanced/equity....if u invest within 1 yrs.....give sometime for the fund work for ur money.

i hv PSF by dec 2010...it still below the capital but units increase by re-invest the distributios....need some time also to work.

need to wait at least 3 yrs to c the actual returns.
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QUOTE(Amanda85 @ Jun 26 2011, 09:15 PM)
my losses must be due to i seldom top up....because when i see it drop, i got scare off and placed additional money into FD.
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Rule of investment - do not panic.

buy cheap sell high to make profits. u should buy more if u think ur fund is in good track, ur agent can advice you. volatile market is normal and u should learn how to accumulate more units to average down ur buying price.

example;

fund A, buy at rm1.00, invest for rm1000.
total units = 1000

ur buying price is rm1.00 per unit.

if the unit price goes down to RM0.50, let say u top up rm1000
total units = 2000

so, ur total investment is Rm2000 and ur total units is 3000

so, ur average price per units is RM2000/ 3000 units
= Rm0.6666

so, ur buying price is no more Rm1.00 or Rm0.50 but it is RM0.66

u not need to wait the unit price to reach back Rm1.00 to make profits, if the market price reach RM0.70

ur total units 3000 x Rm0.70 = Rm2100, already make Rm100.

or just leave ur investment for long term.......let the units accumulates by re-invest by the distribution. same calculation for averge down the price.


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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Jun 27 2011, 05:57 PM)
Your fund agent may tell u so, wait 3 years to judge, if after 3 years, the fund still going south, u will forgot to complain already
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unit trust medium to long term...3 yrs and above. if still go south...u turn to north.

If all the funds goes south....no turning back.
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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Jun 27 2011, 06:50 PM)
Means? Jump down from 14th Floor? No turning back?
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u jump..i jump...so every body kena jumpiang!!

waht i mean fund performance cannot be perdicted.....but an investor should advice on risk managent in unit trust if the investor too concervative..

normaly i advice my clients go for long term, instead worry abt current fund performance. for the past 25 to 30 yrs, 86/87, 97/98 and 2008/2009, market kena teruk and turn back. if not turn back................... habis-lah semua investors lost every single $.

today theedge says....europe severeign debt crisis/midle east/ possibility US slipping into recession/ china-inflation.....will there be another global economic slowdown after 2008???

any comment??

and it could be another buying opportunity for local markets??


correct me if i wrong.
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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Jun 29 2011, 12:58 AM)
min to share what is Lic Financial planneer all about?
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LFC - license financial planer...maybe.

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