Dear all,

While we are on the topic. I've got a Question about Feng Shui.

Houses facing west is bad, some say because of the afternoon sun. What if it is facing South East, and it is a corner lot, so the afternoon sun still hits it on the sides. Is this acceptable or not?

Thanks.

Feng Shui? Look at the bank accounts of the Feng Shui consultants. That's proof of Feng Shui's effectiveness.

House facing direction have a lot of explanations. Some say facing sun too much, you get too much yang energy. Burn your luck and so on. But in real fengshui world, it is not about facing sun or not. It is facing direction derived from eight mansion. This eight mansion actually means the eight direction of the compass. Each year, the different direction will yield different luck. So, one year you are having great luck does not mean forever. On top of that yearly luck, there will also be luck for the next 20 years. This is derived from flying star of fengshui if not mistaken. From this school, it says if you house face certain direction, it will yield certain luck that last for 20 years. There are also more schools of teaching to apply which end up you get a lot of complexity where one says good luck and another says bad luck for a particular day, month or year.

That is why when you have bad luck in that house or room, there are always faults that can be found. Since it is so subjective, the fengshui master will calculate this and that and in the end, there will always be a reason why the RM5000 crystal you bought doesn't work. But when something good happened, the fengshui will take the credit. You did the right thing placing the crystal there that bring you good fortune and blah blah blah.

That is why I don't believe in all these fengshui, astrology, religion mumbojumbo. It's all clever marketing with loophole that cannot be proven.

It only proves it is popular, Frags. Effectiveness is still very subjective.

I think Frags was just being sarcastic.

Thanks abu bin for that explanation, that makes sense.

@Robertngo
Noone had even proof it wrong n "U" jumped into conclusion? Noone know? u think 500 yrs ago everyone are pratically idiot?
Yes superstition in western's view as i said.


@TheDoer
Yea i've notice ur insert seems to be drowning u too . U think that i'm setting a trap for you but yet u feel that i'm preventing u from riding on your own school of knowledge frm googling and wiki on my statements. This is what western view about. To shut a statement down, logic/proof/evidence if not must be false. To try to proof fengshui is equivalent to touching into religion matters. If u think religion is however superstitious shyt then go ahead with your western views.

@Faceless
U thought this is bedtime storybook ? Which chapter the prince rescue the princess and live heavily after again?

@TheDoer2again
Timelines proof nothing because "I-Ching" wasn't originally named that way. It's renamed shortly after what u googled up on.
Nope u didnt catch my phrase properly and u tried to twist what i speak and rewrote on your own understanding.
To clear up your misunderstanding,
-I mentioned that it's serious for younger chinese generation not to know it and not ignorant*don't twist what i'm saying*
-If serious to u = ignorant on the dictionary then there's something wrong with your understanding.
-I did however mentioned that "If u do not know don't say bullshyt because it makes u look ignorant.
*U've tapped the meaning wrongly with combination that i've nv stated on*
What's wrong with you ?
Ride on the google and wiki again?
Is this open mind or u are wild bashing?
I've wrote this few times again-> Use scientic formula to proof fengshui is wrong will yield no result.
Have they been proven wrong?
Of course it's wrong because they are applying the wrong formula.
Using the wrong formula to proof something is wrong of course will yield positive results that it is 100% wrong.

There's no 5000bucks makes u lucky forever. Just FYI, there are many fengshui swindlers in malaysia and china. But every swindler knows a trick or two up their sleeve. They do not know much but only know very minimal. Enough to con pple but also enough to kill pple when they applied the wrong method. Fengshui is a passive thing and it can nv be proof or experience instantly like magic. It'll accumulate over the time like how u get summons over time and not paying them.

Fengshui are exaggerated in dramas,series and movies. They are also packaged, marketed and resold into high value. These are just scams. Objects can never do much effect but it's the land itself that plays the most important part. There are not much remarkable land nowadays to pratice fengshui correctly because they are already bought off by many wealthy folks and officials who choose to believe in it. Fengshui doesnt take all the credit, it's the people who chose to believe in it and succeed ,give credits to it. It's not an object, it can never be formulated or sum up with theory.

Most of these are "formulated" in I-Ching as a method to understand the co-relation of the surrounding and every living things.Most of these are cycles which someone think is stupid, it's repeatedly done over centuries. What we don't understand is that ,we been repeating the same cycle all the while,which actually introduce "the cycle". There's more to elaborate on further but i'm very tired to go into details. You guys can read up and weighed the importance. If u guys can google and express fluently in ur understanding, y not try go into it and understand what went wrong.

As i said before if u guys want to continue on bashing u guys can do it. It helps release ur stress and boredom but u won't gain any achievement.

Then how come so many guai lous who don't know anything about feng shui and yet they are still superior in the corporate world?

i think 500 years ago people are just as smart as today people but they dont have the same amount of education, information, and knowledge that are available to us. without the scientific model to understand the natural world, all culture have their superstition and myth that try to give people answer of what they see in nature mean.

since today we have a superior way to understanding nature, to rely instead on ancient superstition will be stupid. china 600 years ago was the most rich and advance country in the world but it fence itself off from the rest of the world and watch as the industrial revolution made the european which been lagging behind china for thousand of year to surge ahead and china was powerless to stop the humiliation by the superior battleship that the european have.


the resurgence of china in the last century is not due to some ancient sacred knowledge, but in accepting new idea, in science and industry.

have u checked whether is guai lou or chinese dominating the economy now?
Check Asus,MSI,GiGabyte,Palit,HTC is under which country ^.^.
Check also all of the products u use made in ?


Softwares and chips might be states too but who manufactures the board these days ^.^

Come'on !There's no relantionship at all. It doesnt mean u don't know fengshui u must be poor.
Infact i nv stated that in my statement.
I've pointed out don't think it is bullshyt because science proof it's superstitious.
Simple as that. If still there is any complication between understanding. Go read up. Googling and wiki is wrong but using it to disapprove something is a very wrong thing to do.

Never take a ride on a stranger's car if u think it's the same destination. It'll lead to unexpected consequences.
Strangers will always smile and will nv show what they do ^.^

I just said effectiveness. I didn't say effectiveness in doing what. Clearly what I meant here is Feng Shui's effectiveness in fattening the wallet of feng shui consultants.....VERY effective.

Lol, the guai lohs are still at the top of the pile now. People even speculate loosely that it will probably lasts for another 150 years, but China has its own problems now.

And how can anyone prove it wrong? If they do, people like you back then, will just say they aren't the REAL Feng Shui masters. And heck, it's not just about the people 500 years ago, even today there are people who would believe something, even if you point out that it's wrong. case in point Feng Xui.


I was being nice, I'd sooner think you've wilfully set a clever trap for me, then you have NO points to backup your claims,and in a desperate hope to win, point the finger back at your opponent.

This is what you said previously.
darkskies,Jul 28 2010, 09:21 AM
western way could nv understood or perhaps get close enough to see it. Even PHDs are unable to unravel the fact of this book.Name of the book called 易經 and it's been renamed this way in the modern days.

*DON'T slap me with your wiki fact.

This basis can never be applied through westerner's formula or theories. If u guys think that u could explain or judge through ur wikifacts/westerner's view then u are wrong.


So how do you expect us to continue googling to explain it to you? You've already said it's all wrong no matter what we google|wiki, naturally in order for us to continue the topic, you have to lay out why you say traditional chinese wisdom is true. Because I could eloquently point to you why it is wrong, and you'd just say it does not apply and that we do not know enough of it to argue; conveniently you failed to bring any supporting points to your case.


That's the funniest thing to say. It's not a western view. Everybody does it in their daily lives. To say it does not, proves why people still believe in things that don't work.

Let me ask you, if I told you i've seen aliens landing on earth would you say it is true or false? Immediately you'd think "show me proof" am I right? If I can't present you the evidence, naturally you'd think I'm wrong. Isn't that right? Or do you start preparing for an extraterrestrial visit?

Are you saying that only in western courts need proof/evidence to prosecute someone?

If you're telling me that only westerners use this form of logic, then you've just made fun of our Traditional Chinese Wisdom. You're saying ancient chinese believe "Anything".


You'd be surprised, Westerners are a religious lot. Even on the american bill it says in God we Trust. You're just going to shut off discussion, by saying it is in par, and having the same exclusive status as religion, and should not be questioned? That probably happen back then in China.

You're right, if someone believes in something, no matter what you tell them, they will continue believing in it. You can tell them, there's no ghost under your bed, but children will still be afraid. But when someone, does not recognize that something is an irrational belief and not a fact. Then that's a serious matter. We'd soon be seeing "In Feng Shui we trust" on our bills.

You see what I mean by trap? I was looking over and over again, why you said
darkskies,Jul 28 2010, 09:21 AM
*As i say don't slap out the history timeline because it's another ignorant thing to do.
And that was the only thing I could find that was relevant. This is why you should state your views clearly. As I said, Hen asking Rooster to lay eggs.

Wah... Please look carefully at the quote that I replied to:
darkskies,Jul 28 2010, 09:21 AM
*As i say don't slap out the history timeline because it's another ignorant thing to do.
You were the one who used the word.

Please look at the Definition of Ignorant
http://www.ask.com/web?qsrc=2990&o=0&l=dir&q=define+ignorant
ignorant - Definition [ĭǵnər-ənt]
(adj.) Lacking education or knowledge.
(adj.) Showing or arising from a lack of education or knowledge: an ignorant…
(adj.) Unaware or uninformed.
I was not refering to you saying that "it's serious for younger chinese generation not to know it " but still yes, that does mean they are ignorant, why are you finding fault with the word?

I was just about to ask you the same Question.

Riding on your mystical I-Ching dragon again? ( I hate personal attacks... but you started it)

Ya, back at you.

You've not given me anything to prove wrong. I just know that the whole claim on Feng Xui is bogus, because it's a bizarre claim that doesn't seem right. (see my alien's visit earth example)

The onus is on you to prove that it works, not others to prove that it does not work.

Ya sure, tell me what is the correct formula. I'm still waiting.
But then you do realise that logic is the same no matter what you apply it on (see my example above on how ppl are prosecuted in court)? You're formula have to counter what we currently know in order for it to prove it to work.

For example, the elixir of life contains poisons, such as arsenic, unless you can show us and prove to us that a certain ingredient in it can counter react the poison and make your life longer, then naturally who would drink it?

Likewise with Feng Shui, if it seems illogical, you have to use what ever I-Ching or chinese formula to prove that it works. Alas the formula has to be logical also.

This post has been edited by TheDoer: Jul 29 2010, 10:00 AM

It does not matter. I am not particular over petty details of the story. Just quote me a text that I can see for myself how it relates to wu shu or any other 3 fields which was inspired by 易经.

Bashing is not my intention. You said something that caught my interest and that is the 4 fields comes form the same source. If you dont want to post it here, PM me.

@Thedoer u still don't see what i'm pointing to u.
U simply get heated up what i mentioned to u over what u simply wildly bash on.
You are still using an understanding that others put in and not based on your own experience. There are loopholes and issues that crawls on the web. If you think that's an achievement using other's understanding and ur applied knowledge in translating them go ahead.
I told u to explain on your own understanding all the while but u simply can't even define what's wrong and prefer to ride in with google+wiki again.
That's what i pointed out, don't know , don't ever say bullshyt.
I'm lazy to read ur whole line of words. You prefer to stick to your opinion do so please. But pls don't educated pple into thinkin that everything is bullshyt because scientific proof that it's fake.
There are things out there u don't know and simply by googling will only give u the surface and not indepth understanding.

@faceless u won't be able to visualize what's the co-relation between this 4 on this "I-Ching" thing. It's not formulated in western way or scientific.There's no direct way to point out directly. But it's indeed following the formula and based on the elements in there.It's based on the elements of your body and your surrounding abit like modern biology+meteorology+geology+astronomybut but differs. There are certain time of the day where your body perform some activities won't be beneficial. U can do it but it won't provide beneficial factors to it. Same goes for fengshui. If object can move someone's fate, it's a lie.
It's dependable on alot of factors which many doesnt know. Fengshui is also accumulated through age, it's not instant magic.

Whay cant you oblige me and give me one quote? Give me the one that inspire wu shu.

Do u actually understand or read before I-Ching or not?
If not there's no point me pointing out to u. It's not reading story book or reading any encylopedia or worst of all like reading manga.

since you looks like have a lot of understanding on the subject what is the meaning of the following

You're being flippant. First you say you're not stopping me from googling, then you're disapproving of me googling, but I have not done any Googling, or Wiki since your first disapproval. You don't seem to read carefully when you reply other's posts.

You say to talk on my own experience. I am... (In my experience BS is determine by the facts shown, you have given me nothing but continue to say you are right, and that in itself is BS) I am waiting for yours own experience. You're making empty claims that logic and science can't disprove but you have yet to show me which ones... I've been waiting for God knows how many posts.

Your concept of Western 'Bullshyt' vs Chinese Traditional Wisdom FAILS. because as I pointed out, it's all based on 'logic', if you don't use logic in determining what is right and what is wrong... then what the heck do you use (a pair of dice)? There's a word for not using logic and it's called, irrational and illogical.

Lol, I wasn't heated up when u said I wildly bash. I just said the same can be said about you. If you wish to say I ride on google or wiki, then I say you're riding on some mystical fantasy. Why not?

Now lets not get into arguing with forumers. Stick to the topic, debate squarely on that topic.

Cancelled

This post has been edited by TheDoer: Jul 29 2010, 02:45 PM