Feng Shui is used during the ancient days, which similar to Interior/Home Designer in the modern worlds

This post has been edited by arthurlwf: Mar 11 2010, 02:33 PM

right, one reason for chinese medicine is still going strong is that there is quite a lot of testing being done on them in scientific ways. the traditional medicine doctor can point to scientific research on their herb healing property, bu fengshui cannot made the same claim.

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Added on March 11, 2010, 4:31 pmthen astrology must be true since it is also 5000 years of wisdom?

This post has been edited by robertngo: Mar 11 2010, 04:31 PM

i think traditional medicine and feng shui is totally diff things
traditional med ok...ancient ppl may use some plant or herb but they no nothing about how it works..whats the scientific explaination yadayada
but feng shui is totally rubbish superstitious believe

Lets put it in other terms. What about the kinetic theory in physics? What the heck is an atom? Why must it look the way it is? Even now we'r doing classical physics based on these assumptions because it cant be proven wrong.

Same goes for fengshui, in a way. Nobody has the right to claim it dysfunctional as it's something that can't be proven, right or wrong. The basis is there. We follow it. You tap into its potential, you prosper. It's just that these days there are just too many conmen twisting the facts of fengshui for their personal gain.

that the thing, where is the basis? is that basis testable?

and no, if you think an atom/electron is a very tiny sphere, you have not studied enough. that sphere model is a simplified version that is shown/proven to work at macro levels. rest is in quantum mechanics.

my personal peeve is when people extrapolate their lack of knowledge onto science and make it look like existing science facts is false. when it is proven to be false the science community will the the 1st to publish an addendum, thank you very much.

For me, I think strategic planning is of course necessary and real. As a scout, when you set up camp, you make sure there are no dead trees around you, the earth beneath you is solid, and flat, and doesn't look like a dry stream bed,etc. These are Real threats, and no brainers to obey.

The explanatory form of Feng Xui however seems to be picking on issues that might not be so critical. It's like saying radiation from electrical appliances will effect your health. But we didn't realise that the amount of radiation is actually unsubstantial, and that we also get radiation from our environment naturally.

When it comes to statistics, any statistician or mathematician will always tell you the numbers never lie. When you hear they say statistics in Feng Xui, it's usually just that, but where are the numbers? How was the sampling done? If you go around and ask all those with pak koas on their houses, surely almost all of them will tell you that Feng Xui is real.

If however the claims are true, then you'd see a trend even now; Houses that face West will see continuous quarrelling, robbery, and misfortune. But we don't, so surely there is something not right about the claimed "statistics".

Explanations to Feng Xui? Sure, anybody can imagine up an explanation, but that doesn't mean that something is true. We must ask ourselves, how believable are the explanations, and how does it fair in the real world?

The problem with Feng Xui is, it does not need to explain itself, any d***, Tom, Joey Yap or Lilian To, can claim that because Venus is align with Mars that good luck will come to you because the male and female elements are balanced. And you will get all worked up about their "Revelations".

How many of you would dare to sleep in a hotel with the mirrors facing you? Do you have a hard time sleeping because of that? You see, it actual harms your quality of life, not help it.


Confidence is when you know what you're doing, if you have confidence, simply because of your horoscope, then that's ridiculous and potentially harmful too.

I believe with Feng Xui you don't gain confidence... you gain peace of mind, from imaginary "bad luck" which they would have you believe.

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Added on July 27, 2010, 1:54 pmSorry, since it was mentioned, I had to touch on it too.

The truth about casinos

Even if your odds are exactly as good as the house.

Let me ask you, do people go in, with a fixed number of bets to be placed?

No, they keep playing until either they loose their limit, or they get tired.

Just imagine, what are the odds that you keep winning until you're tired?
Those are the few good stories.. The other players are all losers.

It's great to be the house!!




This post has been edited by TheDoer: Jul 27 2010, 01:54 PM

Trad med/Feng shui/Wu shu/fortunetelling is co-related. They came frm the same root*of course malaysian younger generation doesn't know*.
If you are a non chinese then there is nothing to blame about.But for a chinese this is indeed serious.
There are claims that can't be proof and proof that can't be experimented/explained/judged/researched upon in scientific way.
Many would have thought that it's just based on superstitious or stories.
When times of trouble came, many seeks to believe and start playing around with the vase or table(even the fridge!) by repositioning over and over again.
Of course this isn't fengshui. It's just some silly assumption that these folks nv learned and tried to do it their way.

I have no prejudice against anything that's nv proof by scientific way.
But to jump into conclusion and call it rubbish only proof that u've not come close enough to understand.

5000 years of wisdom? Or 100 years of ONE man's wisdom being repeated 50 times?

How is it a serious problem if I don't care about these things?

Another bullshit idea together with the stupid 'need' for Chinese to know Mandarin

U can don't write your chinese name if u think it's bullshyt.

Yes... And I can hear the "I love the main land" song being sung.

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Added on July 28, 2010, 8:57 amLet's talk origins, and the people who had the BEST chinese medicine of the time...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elixir_of_life

Elixir of life anybody?

If we'd still be following some traditional medicine, we'd be pissing out gold, and vomiting blood, and we'd still be blaming 'heatiness'.

This post has been edited by TheDoer: Jul 28 2010, 09:00 AM

How are the corelated? What is this common root?

It comes frm the same book and through one source.
It's rewritten by more then over hundred of wisdom and experience.
Of course folks that are educated through the western way could nv understood or perhaps get close enough to see it. Even PHDs are unable to unravel the fact of this book.Name of the book called 易經 and it's been renamed this way in the modern days.
*DON'T slap me with your wiki fact.
*DON'T say out topic because it's the source.
*TELL me how much u know if u are confident to go into details of it.
*If you don't know don't say bullshyt because it makes u look ignorant.
*As i say don't slap out the history timeline because it's another ignorant thing to do.

Alot are just assuming everything through the western culture and knowledge based on accumulated theories from westerners too.

As someone prev mentioned before, there's a basis. This basis can never be applied through westerner's formula or theories. If u guys think that u could explain or judge through ur wikifacts/westerner's view then u are wrong.

Is that how traditional wisdom is derived? You've proven why it's unreliable.

First you describe it as Wiki "FACTS" because you know they are right.
then you ask us to reveal the details of this "chinese wisdom" you subscribe to; we could name you more, but none that you would approve.

It's like a hen who blames the cock for not laying eggs.

If you really know something show it. Don't make empty assertions that your words are right over others.

Give your supporting points, and see how it stands against logic.

This post has been edited by TheDoer: Jul 28 2010, 09:42 AM

Y should i proof to u. It just run in circle because everything is debatable. Most choose to stick to their western view so y should i go into this.

U can provoke/entice me into writing facts out to proof that wiki had limited info about it. I won't elaborate it because there's no point.

How well do u insert this phrase "hen blame cock for not laying eggs" to describe my explaination.

the is not western view or western culture, during the same time of the I Ching, the western world also have all kind of superstition that claim to know the working of the natural world, but they are wrong and so is I Ching . 500 years ago when we dont know much about the natural world there may be a place for these kind of book to provide people with guidance for what they see are happening in the world, but now modern science have proven to be the best way for us to understand the natural world, there is no room for such superstition.

I insert it pretty well mine you.

You are telling us, that there is another school of knowledge which we do not know, but you are well versed in. You are asking us to quote from that school of knowledge which you know we don't know, or at least whatever we think we know, you will say it isn't what you had in mind.

You have just set a trap, for us that we can never answer. (Asking a cock to lay eggs)

Whereas who else better to prove an assertion than the person himself? The claimer that Traditional Chinese Wisdom is true, realistic, and applies to the real world? (The hen should do it)

Now on the other hand, you're agreeing that whatever you say, won't stand a chance against logic. You're saying that you'll make more assertions, and we'll shoot it down making it pointless.

I'm here with an open mind, if you can find something which can't be dismissed. Then you're right.

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Added on July 28, 2010, 10:49 amIt's not only in Malaysia. China has lots of poor folks. Only those in major cities are well to do.

If you can identify which person is a true master. Lets take a random sample, of one of his new clients and see if his luck improves.

Who says it's unprovable? or unable to use modern scientific methods?

This post has been edited by TheDoer: Jul 28 2010, 10:50 AM

Darkskies,
Tell me which part of 易经 refers to feng shui, whch part refers to martial arts, fortune telling and traditional chinese medicine.

Feng shui is about designing the place in away that affects your mind
Every home you go to gives you a different feelign right?
So the design affects your mind and your mindset determines your success
not so much of luck in my opinion

I know what you mean about time lines. You're saying that the I-Ching came later than the Qin Dynasty. But who cares about timeline... I'm refering to the source of where traditional Chinese believes come from. (As you can see, I was not talking about the I-Ching in particular.) The I-Ching comes from this same form of reasoning. The same reasoning that you are displaying.

JR Tolkien wrote a book called The Lord of the Rings, you argue that it can't possibly be true, because from all the fairy tales no one has ever found remains of elves or giants. And a fan rebuked, "there are no Giants in LOTR you dumbass!!" thus LOTR must be true.

You can say that others do not know the I-Ching, and critisize them for being ignorant. But it's silly to call people ignorant expecting people to know something that you do not reveal. It's like a magician who refuses to let people see what he has inside his box, then calling them dumb for not believing that he has magically made the rabbit in it dissapear.

Show us, evidence that the I-Ching is indeed wise.

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Added on July 28, 2010, 1:58 pmTrue!

True!

True that's what it may hope to achieve.
But there is no proof that it is effective in the way it describes.


This post has been edited by TheDoer: Jul 28 2010, 02:11 PM