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post Jan 21 2010, 09:25 PM

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QUOTE(abubin @ Jan 19 2010, 12:24 PM)
The gambling system designed in casino is such that the banker always have higher odds. Therefore, overall banker will always win. This is nothing to do with fengshui or devil worship.

If need to depend on fengshui for casinos to make money then places like las vegas will be gone already.

Fengshui is more psychological than science and magic.
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gambler are gambler because they dont understand odds, the house however have it all figure out, all the odds have been prearranged, of cause there is people will win big from time to time, but if they keep on playing the odds will take over and house will surely win.

the fengshui today is full of con man giving BS advice for large fee, there are some part fengshui that i believe work because it basiclly good design for house to face some direction to get the morning sun and have good air circulation, but most of the other stuff or just BS add in by con man to make money.


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QUOTE(winniebb @ Jan 18 2010, 01:01 PM)
wanna knoe about feng shui??go genting area..esp casino place...see a lot feng shui designed 2 eat all our $$$..u will see a lot mirror above casino & mirror everywhere...

got reason y fengshui can make us gamble until lose $$$ de.. flex.gif
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casino are design to keep you playing, the design will no make u lose money, the game itself will take all your money

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From a design/experience perspective, casinos are fascinating places:

1) There are no windows. Gamblers have no idea whether it’s light or dark or sunny or rainy outside.

2) There are no clocks. Dealers are forbidden from wearing watches. Time becomes meaningless.

3) There’s intentionally poor navigation. They are built like mazes meaning it’s usually tough to find a way out.

4) There’s a constant barrage of noises. Slot machines spin, games ding and dong, coins hit metal, there’s the pitter patter of the people running the games, etc. Many of these sounds, like the ringing of the slots, is there to give you a false sense of hope (“If all of those bells are ringing, somebody must be winning!”).

5) Loose slot machines — ones that pay out more often — are placed near highly trafficked areas (e.g. the aisles, change booth, restaurants, etc.) so more people witness winners.

6) There’s constant research on all aspects of the sensory experience: scents, colors, interior design, and the angles of lights (e.g. light that hits people’s foreheads is a no-no because it apparently drains gamblers of energy).

7) The attire (or lack thereof) of everyone who works there contributes to the atmosphere (e.g. dealers in uniforms, pit bosses in suits, servers in skimpy outfits, etc.)

8) Free booze is delivered to gamblers without them having to get up.

9) It’s not a passive experience. Gamblers are made to feel like they influence the process. And when a gambler feels they can affect the outcome — by throwing the die, choosing a roulette number, or deciding when to split at blackjack — a feeling of control develops that keeps them gambling longer.

10) There’s a constant rhythm. Everything happens at regular intervals. Dice are rolled. Cards are dealt. Wheels are spun. Bets are placed. And then it happens again. (Interesting note: Casinos have slowly phased out deck shuffling by installing automatic shufflers. Gamblers used to get a break while dealers reshuffled. Now it’s a constant flow of cards which increases the number of hands per hour — and that means more money for the house.)

11) There are players cards which get frequent gamblers free nights, food, and room upgrades.

12) There’s a palpable energy in the room. Money’s on the line. It’s a big night out. People are paying attention. Everyone’s engaged.

13) Some say casinos are pumped full of oxygen so gamblers feel more awake and energetic. (Others say this is just a myth that, if true, would result in a tremendous fire hazard.)

14) The funnel pours one way. There are thousands of places to hand over money to the casino. Every craps table, blackjack table, roulette wheel, and slot machine will take your cash. Yet there’s only one place to get paid out in bills: the cashier window. And to get there, you’ve got to pass all those other places that want to take your money.

The result: a completely immersive and compelling customer experience. It’s no wonder some people don’t know when to stop.


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post Feb 22 2010, 01:20 PM

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QUOTE(zoakies @ Feb 22 2010, 01:05 PM)
Feng Shui have been around for more than 5000 years.

As long as we are still living in this earth. Feng- (Wind) Shui (Water) is de most important element in human kind.

So it's not superstitious belief coz it's already Scientifically proven on how a Good Feng Shui changes on someone health and wealth.

If u guys really wanna know more, of course, hiring a Master will be expensive. BUT there are always a cheaper way, JUST buy a book a learn it by yourself slowly.

And yes, forget about LILIAN books...she is more focus on preaching feng shui.

Get those books from HK Famous Feng Shui master, Mr. So Man Foong or our local boy, Mr Joey Yap. They are more practically explain on how to improved one person fengshui.

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which scientific study can you provide to prove feng shui have anything other than placebo effect?
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QUOTE(lin00b @ Feb 23 2010, 10:28 AM)
i always thought feng shui is based on the recommended place to build your house in ancient times

i.e, it must be at a place of good air circulation, feng (wind) as you dont have fan or air con then (and it can get hot in summer). it must also be at a place of easily available water from spring, river, lake, or well (shui) as they dont have modern piping, tanks, and pumps.

everything else is bs.
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i will agree with that, it is basically a best practice for architecture in ancient china, which still can be applied today to make a more pleasant living condition. but then there is so much other stuff that are being added into feng shui that are being claimed to be able to change your luck or give you better health which have no fact to back up its claim.
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post Feb 23 2010, 05:39 PM

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QUOTE(zoakies @ Feb 23 2010, 05:23 PM)
I suggest u get a book from Master Joey Yap or Master So Man Foong to understand better on how they Scientifically proven.
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any research paper by real scientist that can be refer to?
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QUOTE(abubin @ Feb 25 2010, 02:50 PM)
Houses in T-junction or with address no. 44 is all myth or urban legend. Just because all the horror story has been passed down through generations, people start to convinced it is real. But we as human being will still take it at caution even it we are non-believer. We will still avoid staying in t-junction houses because we are kiasu.

We someone shift into t-junction house, some bad accident happened and people blame it on the t-junction. But when accident happen to someone else in another house, maybe the blame is on the house number. People always have things to blame or praise. That's when fengshui comes in handy.
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when you come to think of it, if a car is out of control it could have charge into any house nearby, why do we assume it is going to go straight ahead. the thing that prevent those that dont believe in feng shui but still avoid the house is because of the problem with selling the house later, alot of people will not want this house and thus reduce the price and/or take long time to sell.

human brain always try to find pattern and many time it see connection between to things that are just not related a all.
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QUOTE(nice.rider @ Feb 26 2010, 01:39 AM)
FS1: Don't build your kitchen at the West

Explanation:
- Morning sunlight from the East is rather mild, and the heat will not spoil the food (In ancient time, the bacteria concept and its grow and its activity against temperature was unknown during the time), this observation of food against Sun movement was recorded. This statement holds true with or without refrigerator in mind.
- West is where the sun setting, heat accumulated throughout the day and the West spot is always the warmest, which is bad for food.

FS2: Build a house located at the North and facing South, and good to have a wall at the North

Explanation:
- This statement/observation is definitely recorded by people who lived in Northern Hemisphere. During winter time, snow and cold wind blows from the North, a wall built at the North would comes in handy here.
- Facing South means doors are good to be built at South, for the same reason above. Snow, cold wind blows into the house if the doors are built facing North. Inconvenience and bad for health too.

I came across these explanation from some articles on the subject. There are not many books referring to reasoning and scientific explanation on the subject nowadays.

My guess is, if someone publishes a book with this kind of explanation, Feng Shui master would have a hard time selling the concepts anymore. It has evolved from impacts of surrounding to human being towards superstitious on how they could impact your wealth, your love life, your health, your everything.....and without a need of explaining why.

Do this, or buy this crystal, whatever you dream of will come true. You only need to pay a small amount to get what you wish for.....how wonderful the deal is.....

For me, Believe in Feng Shui, yes.....Believe in Feng Shui master...probably not.
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the two example are elementary feng shui that help to make a better house to live in but today feng shui master dont focus on these, they spend alot of time focus on placing stuff arround the house to improve your luck. out of the many client there is sure some that will have improvement in their health or business after doing what they told and these example will be used to sell more of their service and product. those client that have no improvement will not be mentioned.

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QUOTE(lin00b @ Mar 11 2010, 01:57 AM)
traditional medicine (unlike fengshui) is often testable and researchable. plenty of scientific test has been done on some traditional medicine. try doing that to fengshui.
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right, one reason for chinese medicine is still going strong is that there is quite a lot of testing being done on them in scientific ways. the traditional medicine doctor can point to scientific research on their herb healing property, bu fengshui cannot made the same claim.


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QUOTE(C-Note @ Mar 11 2010, 12:11 AM)
If you say its non-existantial, you're like saying Chinese traditional medicine is a lie. You're insulting 5000years of wisdom.
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then astrology must be true since it is also 5000 years of wisdom?

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QUOTE(darkskies @ Jul 28 2010, 09:21 AM)
It comes frm the same book and through one source.
It's rewritten by more then over hundred of wisdom and experience.
Of course folks that are educated through the western way could nv understood or perhaps get close enough to see it. Even PHDs are unable to unravel the fact of this book.Name of the book called 易經 and it's been renamed this way in the modern days.
*DON'T slap me with your wiki fact.
*DON'T say out topic because it's the source.
*TELL me how much u know if u are confident to go into details of it.
*If you don't know don't say bullshyt because it makes u look ignorant.
*As i say don't slap out the history timeline because it's another ignorant thing to do.

Alot are just assuming everything through the western culture and knowledge based on accumulated theories from westerners too.

As someone prev mentioned before, there's a basis. This basis can never be applied through westerner's formula or theories. If u guys think that u could explain or judge through ur wikifacts/westerner's view then u are wrong.
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the is not western view or western culture, during the same time of the I Ching, the western world also have all kind of superstition that claim to know the working of the natural world, but they are wrong and so is I Ching . 500 years ago when we dont know much about the natural world there may be a place for these kind of book to provide people with guidance for what they see are happening in the world, but now modern science have proven to be the best way for us to understand the natural world, there is no room for such superstition.


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QUOTE(darkskies @ Jul 28 2010, 07:23 PM)
@Robertngo
Noone had even proof it wrong n "U" jumped into conclusion? Noone know? u think 500 yrs ago everyone are pratically idiot?
Yes superstition in western's view as i said.
i think 500 years ago people are just as smart as today people but they dont have the same amount of education, information, and knowledge that are available to us. without the scientific model to understand the natural world, all culture have their superstition and myth that try to give people answer of what they see in nature mean.

since today we have a superior way to understanding nature, to rely instead on ancient superstition will be stupid. china 600 years ago was the most rich and advance country in the world but it fence itself off from the rest of the world and watch as the industrial revolution made the european which been lagging behind china for thousand of year to surge ahead and china was powerless to stop the humiliation by the superior battleship that the european have.


the resurgence of china in the last century is not due to some ancient sacred knowledge, but in accepting new idea, in science and industry.
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QUOTE(darkskies @ Jul 29 2010, 01:08 PM)
Do u actually understand or read before I-Ching or not?
If not there's no point me pointing out to u. It's not reading story book or reading any encylopedia or worst of all like reading manga.
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since you looks like have a lot of understanding on the subject what is the meaning of the following
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乾: 九三:君子終日乾乾,夕惕若,厲,無咎。
象傳:  終日乾乾,反復道也。


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QUOTE(soul2soul @ Aug 13 2010, 09:57 AM)
Fengsui is manipulation of the natural forces to work in your favour.
1. Fire
2. Water
3. Air
4. Earth

the 4 great essentials.
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the four fundamental element idea have been proven wrong since the creation of chemistry.

we know now these are the real element

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i wonder why you are refering to the four element of the greek and not the five element of chinese tradition?

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QUOTE(soul2soul @ Aug 13 2010, 10:46 AM)
chinese got 5?

which is the extra one?
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QUOTE(k0k0puff @ Aug 22 2010, 12:05 PM)
Just talk about the bed, you sleep there, if the elements is against you, like you're a very "heaty" person and the spot you're sleeping is hot, then you will not get a good night sleep. One day is fine, but long term will kill your health. Your health goes down, then there goes your mind, you can't think properly, then how do you even work properly.
No Health, No Wealth.


Added on August 22, 2010, 12:10 pmEveryone has electromagnetic waves around us, you do know how magnet works? if it is the same pole at the same strength will cancel out eat other's magnetism, a person's electromagnetic waves is being opposed by an external one, it cancels out or even disrupt the flow, then he will not be functioning 100% or even not functioning at all.
Long term exposure of it will have a serious effect on his health.
If you look like a dead dog, who will find you interesting, there goes your love life.
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i dont understand how would the feng shui master detect all the different electromagnetic waves and counter their effect on the human body. if he is doing that he will take quite a bit of time for the consultation.so many things in this world are electromagnetic waves, light, radio, cell phone, tv broadcast, x rays, gamma rays, ,...etc what are the tools they use to measure all these at the house?
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QUOTE(k0k0puff @ Aug 25 2010, 04:47 PM)
Fengshui can be very basic, but it is people who do not understand it mystify it. The chi is actually energies, when the energy is against your 5 elements, it will be called Sha. Lets screw heat, people say that living facing the junction is bad, because the wind is coming straight and fast to the house and it can be very bad for the body, and people call it Sha because it is energies damaging to the body.

For your information, there are 2 types of fengshui, common man fengshui and the emperor's fengshui. Common man's one is very basic
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a lot of people pay top dollar for beach front house with the wind from the sea blowing right toward them, so those property are bad feng shui?
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wind is bad? so a house with open design like the following will be very bad them.

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QUOTE(k0k0puff @ Aug 27 2010, 10:51 AM)
There are many types of wind, the ones that are around nature like the forest or sea should be fine.

Even if it is the Emperor's feng shui, it wont be changing mountains or control lighting or something epic like that, it aint magic. Many people will not see the effect with the naked eye, the effects can be very subtle. Even if someone is using it, no one will know. (but it usually can be detected by other fengshui masters)

Like you said, everyone has their own belief, mojos like fengshui is very subjective to people, so the British may not feel comfortable using it, but who knows, no one ever said that they ain't using it.
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one problem i see is feng shui is base on the five element , which we know are not the real element of the natural world. how can the knowledge that base on the wrong concept can be effective.
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QUOTE(k0k0puff @ Aug 28 2010, 10:29 AM)
The 5 elements is metal, wood, water, fire and earth. How can these not be the elements that made the world.
EARTH is land for life to grow, METALl are the nutrient for the for the soil, WATER is for growing the life, WOOD represent the plants (also so mean the fertility), FIRE represent the sun or climate.
How can you say these are not the elements of the world. The 5 elements is the elements for making the world and it also can represent the person's life by using nature and paring them with the 12 zodiac animals.
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no, those element dont make up the world, there are 118 known element that combine to create everything it this world.

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and why would the zodiac make any impact on people life, i have never seen any test the prove any kind of astrology either western or chinese to be better in guess someones fortune than mere chance.

have you ever think why the time of birth is so important in determine the faith and not the time of conception? dont it make more sense if the zodiac should be depend on the time of conception and not time of birth, there is so many thing that can change time of birth.

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QUOTE(k0k0puff @ Aug 30 2010, 01:18 PM)
You "scientific" people, everything is about seeing is believing. There are many things in life is unable to be explained by your precious "SCIENCE" and it is still happening. They are a bunch of arrogant people, what they do not understand, they just brush it to one side and call it "SUPERNATURAL" or unknown. The fact that something like cancer is unable to be cure because they are too arrogant to admit it and depriving the people of what is suppose tyo be theirs. Something like Chemotherapy, it is not proven that it is a cure, it actually killed the cancer patient rather than the cancer, and yet people still do it. Sometimes, is it not proven, or it is still unable to be proven yet.
There are million of things that are not existing in the scientific work, but it is still happening, many things that is been able to be done in the past, but unable to be done at today's superior tachnological age, so how do you say about it.
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did we miss something about the cure for cancer that have been created in the past but somehow forgotten? does it have better survival rate than the current standard cancer treatment? the 5 - 10 - 15 years survival rate for various kind of cancer keep getting higher in the last few decades, this show progress in effectiveness of the treatment, it is what science is about, constant improvement on the knowledge we have.

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2010/jul...l-rates-doubled

see many of the survival rate for cancer have doubled since the 70s

science never claims to know everything, any scientist will freely admit that they dont know everything. the one that are arrogant are those that claim to know some secret of the universe that effect our life while providing no proof to support their claim. is that not arrogant claiming to know the future and worst claiming to know how to change someone's future.
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QUOTE(spursfan @ Sep 3 2010, 08:52 AM)
different kind of building, different assessment in terms of feng shui ...

eg.

house in front of hospital ... very bad
coffin shop in fron of hospital ... good business

something like that lah ...
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what will happen to people living in front of hospital?
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QUOTE(Awakened_Angel @ Sep 4 2010, 01:52 PM)
I-Ching is like the fundamental physics.. and feng shui is the application to it

do you know what the elements signify? they are representation and metaphor for things around us.. eg. fire for thermodynamics, water for fluid dynamics, gold for metal elements etc

I am a physic minded person as well and I do respect i ching.. but i only disrespect WOFS  doh.gif
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if it is fundamental physics it would not have got the element wrong, all 118 of them.

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