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English Clubs Arsenal Street Talk, 01/2 00:00 ARS v MU | FT: AST 0-0 ARS

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post Jan 11 2010, 10:51 AM

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Bendtner kicks the wrong ball ...smile.gif
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post Jan 11 2010, 11:17 AM

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Sorry for the long post. Was just reading up on all the past few day's posts blush.gif tongue.gif

QUOTE(ohhisee @ Jan 9 2010, 07:55 PM)
love to see our player celebrate goal today in snow.. biggrin.gif

i thinks arsha has advantage in this cold condition..experience from russian league..
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I also thought so earlier. Sad...maybe he don't like the snow. Perhaps that's why he left Russia in the first place hmm.gif

QUOTE(gummerz @ Jan 9 2010, 11:54 PM)
Ramsey is the worst of all today.misplaced passes and loses possesion all the time.the others so-so only
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That's kinda like his trademark. Yes, he can be wonderful at times but I'm yet to be totally convinced by him. There are just too many mediocre performance compared to the really good ones. Sometimes I feel that he takes 1 step forward in one match and 2 steps back in the next.

QUOTE(aladdin @ Jan 10 2010, 12:58 AM)
good almunia...kills traore (he sucks anyway)
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hmm.gif Asking your keeper to kill your defender. Send him to Angola and maybe that will be exactly what happens shocking.gif Jokes aside, Almunia is a joke. There was no need for him to come for the ball at all. Traore has bags of pace and since he was already in front of Vaughn, would have got to the ball first. By staying back, Almunia could've provided the back pass option. Really really bad decision making.

QUOTE(5zal06 @ Jan 10 2010, 02:54 AM)
i was a bit angry with rosicky bcause he misspassed the balled that gave to cahill and pienarr scored
luckily he get the equaliser but still i think arsenal could hve won.maybe the weather
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Can't blame the weather. All 22 players out on the field are the same. They are human. If 11 of those can cope with the weather, the other 11 can't complain. It's not as if a blizzard suddenly came. They have well over 2 weeks to mentally and physically adjust to the weather.

QUOTE(Zan81 @ Jan 10 2010, 02:57 AM)
Sometimes I wonder if any of the people here has ever kicked a ball in their life.

Diaby was the best player for us tonight. As someone already pointed out, he had a bad spell for 10-15 mins in the 2nd half and that was it. Other than that, he was good on the ball and held his defensive position well.

And someone also said Nasri was playing badly? Hello??!! He was the only one giving us some mobility in midfield and he at least had the balls to take on the tough Everton midfield and defence.

As for Traore, he did not make any major mistake and he was a threat going forward for us. If you are referring to the 2nd goal, I'd ask where the hell was Sagna? If he went up for the header, a midfielder should have stayed back to cover.

And sometimes, you have to give credit to the other team when they play well. Instead, some of us here just condemn our own team.

And to that person who kept banging on about how we suck and called Traore our worst man of the match, I'd take a good look at the performance of the man you have on your siggie.

Kthxbye.
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You're right bro. thumbup.gif Arshavin has been our worst player since the Liverpool game. In fact, even in the Liverpool game, he was anonymous bar for the goal he scored. But he never gets any slack here. Yet, Traore, someone who's only really getting his first real run in the team, is getting all the blame. He has improved by leaps and bounds since his first game. Don't forget his interception when Everton had 2 players behind him. That was done to his positioning that was good. That kind of awareness only comes with constant first team action. As for Diaby, there's a lot that's already been said, so I don't wanna comment. Just that if anyone still questions his worth to the team, I suggest you download brother nCool's link and watch the match again.


QUOTE(toshio14 @ Jan 10 2010, 12:51 PM)
when Denilson collapsed, i was fearing the worse. with all the history of the death during the match recent years, i was really fearing the worse. that was really classless from Cahill to keep on playing after seeing fellow players collapsing like that
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Ok, first of all, gamesmanship is a good thing to have but it is not a decree of law. There is no rules which states that a team needs to surrender possession if there is an opposition player injured. It is up to the referee to judge the degree of the injury and blow the whistle if neccesary. Arsenal have done the same in recent memories, to keep on playing even if the opposition player is down. If we do it, then it would be hypocritical to say others can't do the same.

QUOTE(super messi @ Jan 10 2010, 03:39 PM)
its hard to say.....if we keep leaking goal it is hard to win things....we need to start from the foundation...that is the keeper....and we need someone that can control the defense...we also need someone that can replace gallass or vermy if they get injured. our midfield is aweome...too bad that most of them are injured. who is going to play the holding role?? merida, he will get bullied...how about JET?? he is huge...but he is on loan...i hope the ACN was cancel. then we get song back. now we dont have someone to protect our backline. someone to break up play. we really need a signing...fast..
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JET does have the physique and versality in his game but generally that is on the offensive side of the game. He can practically play anywhere in the midfield and forward 6 except for the defensive role. If Denilson is really out, I don't think there is enough time for Wenger to go into the transfer market. Diaby is better suited as the box-to-box player, so putting him in a defensive position would be a waste of his talent. When that is the case, Wenger can only look to his reserves. So far Eastmond and Coquelin have both featured in the Carling Cup. Perhaps one of them then. icon_rolleyes.gif

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QUOTE(Aeroberg @ Jan 10 2010 @ 11:17AM)
Asking your keeper to kill your defender. Send him to Angola and maybe that will be exactly what happens  Jokes aside, Almunia is a joke. There was no need for him to come for the ball at all. Traore has bags of pace and since he was already in front of Vaughn, would have got to the ball first. By staying back, Almunia could've provided the back pass option. Really really bad decision making.
i'm agree wit dis. Almunia is never a world-class goalie. If there's an everton striker on the left of traore.
Then it's game over for us.
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post Jan 11 2010, 12:14 PM

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QUOTE(ncool15 @ Jan 10 2010, 08:55 AM)
ARSENAL vs EVERTON [ 2 - 2 ]
1st Half-Hghlights : Rapidshare / Mediafire

2nd Half-Highlights : Rapidshare / Mediafire

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bro, got MOTD in avi or wmv format eh? heheh.. thanks yeah!
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post Jan 11 2010, 12:57 PM

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QUOTE(Aeroberg @ Jan 11 2010, 11:17 AM)
Ok, first of all, gamesmanship is a good thing to have but it is not a decree of law. There is no rules which states that a team needs to surrender possession if there is an opposition player injured. It is up to the referee to judge the degree of the injury and blow the whistle if neccesary. Arsenal have done the same in recent memories, to keep on playing even if the opposition player is down. If we do it, then it would be hypocritical to say others can't do the same.
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did i say Cahill was wrong to keep on playing? i said it was classless, i never said he was wrong by the law of the game.

just for the record, if we indeed keep on playing when opponent collapsed to the ground in the way Denilson did in that match i will still call it classless act

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Malaysia is damn hot lah....why all the snow and winter going to europe and china...come and visit malaysia also!!!
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QUOTE(toshio14 @ Jan 11 2010, 12:57 PM)
did i say Cahill was wrong to keep on playing? i said it was classless, i never said he was wrong by the law of the game.

just for the record, if we indeed keep on playing when opponent collapsed to the ground in the way Denilson did in that match i will still call it classless act
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Actually in this situation, the player himself (Cahill?) has to make a decision - to become (a) a professional "Everton" player -or- (b) a respectable footballer.

It is similar to putting the ball out of play when there is a player injured. You can continue to play until the referee whistle you to stop or you can put the ball out as any respected players would do.

In the end of the day, it is the player who get the praises - or the curses biggrin.gif
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post Jan 11 2010, 04:04 PM

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cahill eventually ask his teammates to put the ball out. i heard the commentator praising his act of fair play. if vaughn actually score, i would like to see wenger repeat his act against martin jol
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QUOTE(bobotorix @ Jan 11 2010, 04:04 PM)
cahill eventually ask his teammates to put the ball out. i heard the commentator praising his act of fair play. if vaughn actually score, i would like to see wenger repeat his act against martin jol
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Yes, I also heard and read a lot of praises about him - which I find funny as nobody (I mean the media) condemns the Everton player (I'm not sure if it was Cahill), who took the ball of Denilson's possession "after" he fell down.
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The midfield looks dull without Fab and Song. Ramsey wasn't capable to play first team yet. Denilson does not look good either. Diaby looks kinda isolated and he tend to dribble the ball up than building up the attack. I kind of worry with Bolton now. Their morale had changed. We have to fix it
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QUOTE(bobotorix @ Jan 11 2010, 04:04 PM)
cahill eventually ask his teammates to put the ball out. i heard the commentator praising his act of fair play. if vaughn actually score, i would like to see wenger repeat his act against martin jol
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yes, Cahill did ask his teammate put the ball out of play. but only after the referee himself had blow his whistle when he realized Denilson still on lied down and not moving. i was pissed off at that moment with the commentator who gave the praise to Cahill while saying nothing on the lack of class shown by the very same player earlier

QUOTE(kimhoong @ Jan 11 2010, 04:17 PM)
Yes, I also heard and read a lot of praises about him - which I find funny as nobody (I mean the media) condemns the Everton player (I'm not sure if it was Cahill), who took the ball of Denilson's possession "after" he fell down.
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if i recall correctly, it was Cahill who took the ball after Denilson collapsed. i do prepare to be corrected if i am wrong though

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QUOTE(Lowyat @ Jan 11 2010, 02:42 PM)
Malaysia is damn hot lah....why all the snow and winter going to europe and china...come and visit malaysia also!!!
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Wei... Melbourne reached 43C today... don't complain.

Why are people blaming Cahill? It's not his job to be a gentleman, it's his job to do whatever that's within the rules and help his team win.
We didn't perform up to standard and hence we got a poor result, can't blame anyone but our own team.
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SG, again i never said Cahill was wrong. i just said it was a classless act by him. i do not know how that can be interpreted as blaming Cahill for our loss of point. i certainly did not said (or even think for that matter) that Cahill being classless in that incident contribute to our loss of points

we were poor for 3/4 of the match. that contribute to the loss of point. full stop.
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QUOTE(toshio14 @ Jan 11 2010, 04:47 PM)
yes, Cahill did ask his teammate put the ball out of play. but only after the referee himself had blow his whistle when he realized Denilson still on lied down and not moving. i was pissed off at that moment with the commentator who gave the praise to Cahill while saying nothing on the lack of class shown by the very same player earlier
if i recall correctly, it was Cahill who took the ball after Denilson collapsed. i do prepare to be corrected if i am wrong though
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That only happen cos Cahill probably realised the chance had gone. tongue.gif If you recall, Cahill got the ball off the injured Denilson and slipped Vaughn through, only to be saved by Almunia. Only after the save did Cahill asked for the ball to be kicked out
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Interesting. Wenger warns Denilson

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Wenger - Draw not down to Song absence

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Source: http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/w...to-song-absence
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AW is rite.. we need to find a new balance. Actually, we still haven't cope with missing RVP and CEsc... now we're missing Song also. It's kinda hard to swallow. Hopefully Vermy and Gallas will be ok but i really pity them both.
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Balance is one thing but obviously our midfielders, except Diaby, are so easily brushed aside. When Song is around, our def are very well protected + Song ables to hold da ball really well.
Not trying to be mean but Denilson's injuiry might be a blessing in disguise since he's really not quite the right man to replace Song and he cant really take blows..
I'd say AW's warning is quite right. He's not stuck by anything, so he must have 1-2 seconds to react but he just collapsed.
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Well, Cahill's "class" is just another incident we got in the game. We discuss it as an isolated issue - it doesn't have to do with the match performance or result.

Once again, it's up to the player how he wants to act - and the same is up to the fans, on how the fans interpret his (the player's) action.


AW's warning to Denilson is a bit harsh to the boy but it's a tough lesson to be learned, not only to Denilson but to everyone who is playing in EPL. If you want to get medical attention, collapse and hold the ball. End of the story.


It's true that whenever there is a change in the team, a new balance is required in terms of positions, roles and responsibilities. As mentioned many times before, this season is very different whereby we have key players being absent (thru injuries or Internationals) one after another doh.gif It has been a hard season for us and I am proud that we have been doing well with all these.
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http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport...-my-future.html
ARSENE WENGER has told his Arsenal players they have 18 months to convince him to stay on as manager for the rest of his life.

The Frenchman's current contract runs out at the end of next season.

And Wenger, 60, has admitted he is taking his time before making a decision on his future.

The Gunners have not won any silverware since lifting the FA Cup in 2005.

But Wenger, who took over in September 1996, insisted trophies will not help make his mind up.

His main concern is the club remains in good hands.

He told French TV if he signs a new contract it will be for the long-term and he would not look to work elsewhere.

Wenger added: "I am giving myself a bit of time to think.

"What is important is that the club is in good hands, whether they are mine or someone else's.

"Whether I personally leave on a positive or negative note is a little bit less important."

Arsenal are still in the title hunt despite a frustrating 2-2 draw with Everton in blizzard conditions.

They closed the gap on Chelsea to just three points, having played the same number of games as the Premier League leaders.

But the Gunners are sweating over midfielder Denilson.

The Brazilian was carried off after collapsing in the second half and will have an X-ray to determine whether it is linked to the back injury which has troubled him this season.

Wenger said: "Denilson is a little bit mysterious at the moment.

"It's an intercostal problem. We will have to have X-rays.

"He can walk quite normally - we have to see if it is a broken rib or a deeper problem with his lung. I don't know yet if it's related to his back problem. It could be."

After Denilson fell to the ground, Everton almost went 3-1 ahead when Tim Cahill released James Vaughan only for keeper Manuel Almunia to deny him.

While home fans may have wanted Cahill to put the ball into touch, Wenger insisted he was not bothered Everton played on.

He added: "No, I wasn't upset. I said to Denilson afterwards 'If that happens to you, you have to commit a handball.' You cannot ask Everton to stop their counter-attack and not to score."

With Cameroon ace Alex Song away on African Nations Cup duty and Denilson an injury worry, Wenger admitted he may go after a midfielder. The Arsenal boss said: "I'm looking.

"I said many times I have an open eye on the market and, if the right opportunities come up, we will do something. But, at the moment, I must say I'm still only looking."

Wenger also revealed his concerns about losing starlet Fran Merida.

The Spanish midfielder, 19, will be out of contract at the end of the season and can talk to other clubs about a free transfer in the summer.

A host of Spanish clubs are watching Merida with Atletico Madrid leading the chase.

Wenger admitted: "We've not progressed there. I am concerned, yes."

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