sorry beandy, i just needed to clarify a few things....
QUOTE(beandy @ Jan 26 2010, 03:59 PM)
Thats why im calling for a new manager.Arsene will keep his players till death unless they wanted to leave.
I believe that wenger has been one of the most ruthless managers in terms of disposing of players who he believes are past their primes or who have lost their commitment to the cause. he allowed the sale of anelka, petit and overmars despite their importance to the team after winning the first double. many questioned the wisdom of that and many others felt that wenger had lost the plot. he brought a much maligned french winger and a little known brazillian defensive player along with another french winger. today, we know them as the legends henry, gilberto and pires respectively. when their influence started to wane, they were moved along with other players such as vieira, cole, adebayor, etc.
So, technically, the assertion that wenger keeps his players until they want to leave is actually a fallacy. however, wenger is fiercely loyal to the young players he has groomed and he has at times refused to sign big money players simply because they are overpriced and would impede the growth of the younger players. without this fierce loyalty to his policy, we would not have players like cesc fabregas, alex song, flamini and ashley cole.
QUOTE(beandy)
Beside Fabregas Gallas Vermalen none other deserve to play in the first team.
And it takes him 5 years to fail before he sign Vermalen..a waste of time
let's assume that all the other players do not deserve first team, but the fact remains that the 3 players you have mentioned were bought, coached and defended loyally by wenger. a lot of critics said that it was foolish to sell vieira because fabregas would not be able to handle the midfield by himself. and yet wenger persisted and now you have a world class midfielder. gallas was bought as part of the ashley cole deal (another example of wenger's ruthlessness) and did pretty well. but during the meltdown at birmingham, almost everyone supporting arsenal called for his head and the captaincy. wenger did remove the captaincy, but stood behind gallas unwaveringly and this season he has become an integral part of the defense. the same goes for vermaelen. when wenger signed him, everyone said that 10 mil pounds was way too much money and that he was unproven. and yet now, they all hail him as the buy of the season. perhaps that long time taken to purchase was to track his progress and ensure that he wouldn't turn out to be a cygan or stephanovs.
QUOTE(beandy)
It took about 5 years too to relaize Adebayor is shit! and it will takes another 5 years for him to realize Almunia of fabianski is a waste of time.
i really dislike adebayor, and his final season with arsenal he was better off on the bench, but to say that he was sh!t the entire period he was at arsenal would be quite a lie. he scored many vital goals for us, and his specialty of scoring against man united was always something that made those matches pretty interesting. however, it was after his head was turned by the likes of milan and barcelona that his attitude changed. he started believing his own hype and his performances dipped. and typically, wenger ruthlessly dispatched of his services. a final note on adebayor is that he was at arsenal for less than 4 years... 3 years and 6 months to be more precise. so no, wenger didn't take 5 years to realise that adebayor was rubbish. he sold him the season after his performances made him unworthy to wear the red of arsenal.
but i will agree with you about almunia and fabianski. i believe that both are average keepers at best and we could afford to buy better goalies. but i guess no one can be perfect. but do i think that mourinho or hiddink or mancini could've done a better job than wenger since 1996, especially with the constraints that he's had, i would say no.
honestly, if you could present your points and views in a much less threatening manner, i think a lot more people would read what you have to say. goading fellow arsenal supporters will only make you even more disliked in this thread. just some food for thought.
for the rest of us, let's make sure that we also back up our arguments with facts. then it makes for healthy discussion, rather that mud slinging and name calling. =)
This post has been edited by lostasylum: Jan 26 2010, 05:52 PM