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 Don't you think TM is too much ?, Fight for our rights !

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mylinear
post Dec 28 2009, 07:33 PM

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QUOTE(fabianz03 @ Dec 28 2009, 07:24 PM)
Well, if we put throttling aside, the problem maybe bad routing. And currently the AAG cable is down.

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As I tested on a local server, this is not international routing. Unless TM own local network has problems. But I don't think so. There is no problem when I test the route to the local server. Also, from the same server, one file can download without problem, but another cannot. So its not routing.

AAG does not come into play. I don't even think that the AAG link is being used for us as I don't see the tracerts have changed recently to show this.


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post Dec 28 2009, 07:36 PM

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surely this is a great test achievement however u did not provide screenshot of ur test. we could just say u made this up.. same like streamyx, they say they didn't throttle and we say they did . it's just words against words
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post Dec 28 2009, 07:44 PM

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QUOTE(liquidsny @ Dec 28 2009, 07:32 PM)
i do admit youtube is really slow to access but when u guys complaint over rapidshare/mu few month ago, i didn't have problem with it i mean my download was fine providing that i look fr the right ip.  in youtube case, mayb they do capped it due to cases such as namewee videos... n bullying cases that keeps popping up on every flash video site
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Again, as I tested, this is not only YouTube. I just ran a quick similar test from an overseas server. Nothing to do with YouTube. The .zip file downloads as per normal speed, the .flv downloads at approx 25KB/s. This is http direct download. Not even streaming video. Just speed difference based on file extension.

I also tried a .swf and its approx 25KB/s. But a .mov downloads at normal speed. All this within a few minutes testing.

What else can you conclude if not file extension filtering / throttling?


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surely this is a great test achievement however u did not provide screenshot of ur test. we could just say u made this up.. same like streamyx, they say they didn't throttle and we say they did . it's just words against words
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I welcome anyone to try similar testing and post results as well. This sort of controlled testing takes time. I only posted to let you all know. I really hope some others can also test and post here.

Yes, I did not take screen shots. But you know, that also can be said to be false and it is still our word against theirs. When I spoke to customer service about YouTube being slow, I did mention to them that I can show them what is going on.



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post Dec 28 2009, 07:53 PM

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QUOTE(mylinear @ Dec 28 2009, 07:33 PM)
As I tested on a local server, this is not international routing. Unless TM own local network has problems. But I don't think so. There is no problem when I test the route to the local server. Also, from the same server, one file can download without problem, but another cannot. So its not routing.

AAG does not come into play. I don't even think that the AAG link is being used for us as I don't see the tracerts have changed recently to show this.
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Thanks, from what I see YouTube is being mirrored locally now.
The latency are too low for international routing.

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Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

C:\Documents and Settings\Fabian>ping www.youtube.com

Pinging www.youtube.com [64.233.181.139] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 64.233.181.139: bytes=32 time=47ms TTL=49
Reply from 64.233.181.139: bytes=32 time=140ms TTL=48
Reply from 64.233.181.139: bytes=32 time=47ms TTL=49
Reply from 64.233.181.139: bytes=32 time=47ms TTL=48

Ping statistics for 64.233.181.139:
   Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
   Minimum = 47ms, Maximum = 140ms, Average = 70ms

C:\Documents and Settings\Fabian>


Which leads to a conclusion that chances that TM is throttling YouTube is high.
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post Dec 28 2009, 08:56 PM

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Evidence or not, we still have to report en mass to MCMC before they will take this matter seriously otherwise they will just dismiss it as typical difficult to please user problems.
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post Dec 28 2009, 09:10 PM

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QUOTE(automan5891 @ Dec 28 2009, 08:56 PM)
Evidence or not, we still have to report en mass to MCMC before they will take this matter seriously otherwise they will just dismiss it as typical difficult to please user problems.
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This matter is really really serious.
Even the govt have their own YouTube channel. As well as our Prime Minister Dtk. Sri. Najib.
How can we, the people watch these videos when YouTube is throttled ?

Nope, I am not supporting either of them but for the sake of the supporters, they can lose votes !
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post Dec 28 2009, 09:16 PM

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QUOTE(fabianz03 @ Dec 28 2009, 09:10 PM)
This matter is really really serious.
Even the govt have their own YouTube channel. As well as our Prime Minister Dtk. Sri. Najib.
How can we, the people watch these videos when YouTube is throttled ?

Nope, I am not supporting either of them but for the sake of the supporters, they can lose votes !
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lol I posted about this.

Youth leaders to air views on YouTube http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=1267695&hl=
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post Dec 28 2009, 09:27 PM

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QUOTE(automan5891 @ Dec 28 2009, 09:16 PM)
lol I posted about this.

Youth leaders to air views on YouTube http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=1267695&hl=
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Youth leaders, right.
The future of Malaysia, looks like it's kinda 'slow'.
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post Dec 28 2009, 09:30 PM

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watching youtube still got other way to solve the problem

my methods is use "Proxy+ internet download manager" to download


but tmnet not only throttling youtube

they are throttling flv. file download speed

so live online video also throttled

i don't know how can I get full speed to watch live online video
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post Dec 28 2009, 09:32 PM

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QUOTE(SoulGenki @ Dec 28 2009, 09:30 PM)
watching youtube still got other way to solve the problem

my methods is use "Proxy+ internet download manager" to download
but tmnet not only throttling youtube

they are throttling  flv. file download speed

so live online video also  throttled

i don't know how can I get full speed to watch live online video
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So basically they're throttling all flash content ?
Lemme search 1Malaysia website got flash content or not.
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post Dec 28 2009, 09:37 PM

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QUOTE(fabianz03 @ Dec 28 2009, 09:32 PM)
So basically they're throttling all flash content ?
Lemme search 1Malaysia website got flash content or not.
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maybe they don't throttle some website flv. file

like niconico douga , can get full speed
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post Dec 28 2009, 09:47 PM

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QUOTE(automan5891 @ Dec 27 2009, 12:33 AM)
I read one line. His broadband is up to 4mbps but they get 1.5mbps local and 1mbps international. Also, if you use too much bandwidth (not stated), the ISP has the right to cancel your contract.

Worse than in Malaysia.
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Actually True offers up to 16mbps (for the equivalent of RM220/month). I've used it, it works as well as Streamyx or better.

Their 4mpbs package is RM90/month.

http://www.trueonline.com/en/package.aspx

Most of the complaints in Thailand are about TOT, the incumbent former government monopolist (that is, the equivalent of TM). Unlike in Malaysia, the market was opened up by a government more interested in long-term benefits than short-term payoff, and True showed up offering fixed-line service that blows TOT away.
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post Dec 28 2009, 09:54 PM

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QUOTE(fabianz03 @ Dec 28 2009, 07:53 PM)
Thanks, from what I see YouTube is being mirrored locally now.
The latency are too low for international routing.
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No, that is not local mirror. It is probably Google's POP in India. Google / YouTube etc use a CDN. It is not always necessary you will get the same server when you ping youtube.

The YouTube website itself has no problems loading. It is the video streaming part. Why is it that the website loads ok, the searches returns results fast, all the thumbnail and the comments on the pages etc load ok. But the video streaming itself is slow?

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QUOTE(rajulkabir @ Dec 28 2009, 09:47 PM)
Actually True offers up to 16mbps (for the equivalent of RM220/month). I've used it, it works as well as Streamyx or better.

Their 4mpbs package is RM90/month.

http://www.trueonline.com/en/package.aspx

Most of the complaints in Thailand are about TOT, the incumbent former government monopolist (that is, the equivalent of TM). Unlike in Malaysia, the market was opened up by a government more interested in long-term benefits than short-term payoff, and True showed up offering fixed-line service that blows TOT away.
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I see but it's hard to tell if their service is better. Like ours we have fake broadband because bittorrent is throttled, youtube & similar throttled, rapidshare throttled (recently removed). In UK it's UP TO 8mbps but most users only get 2mbps.
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post Dec 28 2009, 09:55 PM

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QUOTE(fabianz03 @ Dec 28 2009, 09:32 PM)
So basically they're throttling all flash content ?
Lemme search 1Malaysia website got flash content or not.
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I don't know about ALL flash content. But it seems to me .flv files as my testing shows.

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One day.a guy might be going to TM and make those funny video and scolding them...just like tnb
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post Dec 28 2009, 11:20 PM

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QUOTE(liquidsny @ Dec 28 2009, 07:36 PM)
surely this is a great test achievement however u did not provide screenshot of ur test. we could just say u made this up.. same like streamyx, they say they didn't throttle and we say they did . it's just words against words
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Here's a suggestion.

Those of you who knows this forum administrators should request they setup a similar test as I did on the forum server. It will take up some bandwidth so maybe limit the testing to a couple of days or to a selected group of forum users.

Then different users can run the test at different times of the day and report the results. Extra info such as IP range, package type etc etc can also be provided. Ten we can all get a better idea of what is going on or see a pattern of this problem.

So, who knows the admins to make this request? Admins, if you are reading, what do you think about this?



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QUOTE(fabianz03 @ Dec 28 2009, 07:24 PM)
First of all I would like to thank you for spending your time on this. I really appreciate your work.
Well, if we put throttling aside, the problem maybe bad routing. And currently the AAG cable is down.

Lastly I will keep your work for future refference.
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Yeah, that are highly labeled on my old reply before, bad routing is the reason why you seeing high pings and not so good and no so stable speed and connectivity...


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